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Tinkerntom wrote: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 2/26/05 6:58 PM: BCITORGB wrote: In case Scott doesn't like the NZ stats, here are some from Australia... http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/hosb502tabs.xls Homicides per 100,000 population - average per year 1998 to 2000 USA 5.87 New Zealand 2.28 Sweden 2.06 Australia 1.87 Canada 1.79 England & Wales 1.50 Netherlands 1.40 Germany 1.19 Denmark 1.00 So, for me, these statistics beg the question: WHY? Why is the muder rate so much higher in the USA? Are there extenuating factors? Hmmm..... [in the case of Canada we know, of course, that hundreds of people are murdered every year by the state -- waiting in medical treatment lines GRIN] frtzw906 So frtwz, are you acknowledging on KMANs behalf that rick is correct in what he has been claiming? Now can we all move on? GRIN TnT Tinkerntom, I'm actually surprised that a man of your high moral stands has not jumped in to criticize rick for being a liar and a coward. Why is that? I learned in my bar fighting days, that if it's not my fight, there is nothing gained by getting my nose broke! You and rick look to be having a good dance, so I don't see no cause to cut in! TnT I got to thinking, I could offer to hold your hat though, if that'll make you feel better! TnT |
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#912
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KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 2/27/05 3:26 AM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 2/26/05 6:58 PM: BCITORGB wrote: In case Scott doesn't like the NZ stats, here are some from Australia... http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/hosb502tabs.xls Homicides per 100,000 population - average per year 1998 to 2000 USA 5.87 New Zealand 2.28 Sweden 2.06 Australia 1.87 Canada 1.79 England & Wales 1.50 Netherlands 1.40 Germany 1.19 Denmark 1.00 So, for me, these statistics beg the question: WHY? Why is the muder rate so much higher in the USA? Are there extenuating factors? Hmmm..... [in the case of Canada we know, of course, that hundreds of people are murdered every year by the state -- waiting in medical treatment lines GRIN] frtzw906 So frtwz, are you acknowledging on KMANs behalf that rick is correct in what he has been claiming? Now can we all move on? GRIN TnT Tinkerntom, I'm actually surprised that a man of your high moral stands has not jumped in to criticize rick for being a liar and a coward. Why is that? I learned in my bar fighting days, that if it's not my fight, there is nothing gained by getting my nose broke! You and rick look to be having a good dance, so I don't see no cause to cut in! TnT You cut in all the time! Why be such a priss on this issue? FYI, it's not just with me that rick is a liar and a coward. His behavior is rather universal on that note. On Feb 13, at 6:21 I warned frtwz about engaging in a dialog with rick, and I have continued to do so on a number of ocassions. At that time I caught a little heat from r myself. But you have been around for awhile, and I have observed this phenomenon between the two of you before. So you should know better! Besides, on a lot of points, I probably would not necessarily disagree with the guy, I just try to be a little more civil in my conversation. Now he has been around for a lot longer than I so maybe he has learned something that I have yet to learn. However in the meantime I will just watch and learn, he's a great teacher. As far as cutting in all the time, I only cut in when I choose to cut in, and sometimes I choose to not cut in, specially when I stand to get my toes stepped on. The music you guys have been dancing to is really bad, and your moves are pretty ugly, but if yu are enjoying it, carry on. Don't let me interfere! TnT |
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"KMAN" wrote in message ... You are a liar and a coward. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... in article et, rick at wrote on 2/26/05 5:24 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 2/25/05 8:49 PM: snip.. You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care. You are a liar and a coward. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... You are lying. And you are a coward because you are too weak to be accountable. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... |
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#915
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"KMAN" wrote in message ... You are a liar and a coward. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance. in article t, rick at wrote on 2/26/05 5:24 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 2/25/05 8:50 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... "rick" wrote in message nk.net... "KMAN" wrote in message .. . snip You are afraid of real discussion, so instead you puff out your chest in jingoistic blatherings. There is nothing jingoistic about asking you to post the materials to support your claim. But you can't, because they don't exist. ================== LOL I posted support for my claims, you have not. All you've done is thump your chest and make claims that I disproved. You didn't like that, so you have ignored the posts and/or claimed the messenger was bad. Too bad for you that the facts remain available, and are there for you to see, if you'd ever open your eyes. You are a liar and a coward. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... I'm not the one that is making claims that aren't being backed up, that would be you, fool. You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care. You are a liar and a coward. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... You are lying. Everyone knows it. Even you. You are a coward because you are too weak to be accountable. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... |
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"KMAN" wrote in message ... in article t, rick at wrote on 2/26/05 5:24 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article , Scott Weiser at wrote on 2/25/05 6:59 PM: A Usenet persona calling itself KMAN wrote: "Michael Daly" wrote in message ... On 24-Feb-2005, Scott Weiser wrote: "Just because a bunch of fundies pull some numbers out of their asses and make claims, doesn't prove anything." Sounds pretty derisory to me. That is a critisism of their foolish attempts at "proving" God exists. It doesn't say anything about people believing in God being fools. But then, you can't read very well. Proof of the existence of God requires, first, a definition of what "God" is. How can you prove the existance of something if you don't even know what it is you are setting out to prove? The fact that such belief is an act of faith does not mean that either church does not believe that God does, in fact, exist. Belief is not proof. Proof is much more difficult. Since God exists in a spiritual world and we exist in a physical world, there is a permanent problem of proving anything about a realm in which we don't exist. Mike Unless you are insane. Those who KNOW that "god" exists are quite certain about it and see no problem with promoting their unique personal fantasy as factual reality. Perhaps they are privy to knowledge you aren't.... Invisible knowledge. Sort of like rick's proof that Canadians are dying in health care waiting lights. Truly the domain of the nut. ================= Funny, I never did say anytrhing about them dying at l stop lights while waiting. Are those really long lines too? As for medical treatment, I posted sites that even gave you real numbers for one province. Too bad you are too willfully ignorant to see facts. You are a liar and a coward. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance. |
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"KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 2/26/05 9:11 PM: "BCITORGB" wrote in message ups.com... TnT, in the case of rick, it's a slow death by water torture.... idiot, strawman, idiot, strawman, idiot, strawman, idiot, strawman, drip, drop, drip, drop,drip, drop,drip, drop,.... aaaarrrrgghhhh! i can't take it any more..... ======================== Sure, the truth is hard for ideologs, isn't it fool? Unfortunatly for you, and kman, I have posted sites that show people die waiting for health care in Canada. You are a liar and a coward. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance. |
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"KMAN" wrote in message ... You are a liar and a coward. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance. in article et, rick at wrote on 2/26/05 5:24 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 2/25/05 8:53 PM: snip You are a liar and a coward. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... You are lying. Everyone knows it. Even you. You are a coward because you are too weak to be accountable. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... snip... You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care. You are a liar and a coward. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... You are lying. Everyone knows it. Even you. You are a coward because you are too weak to be accountable. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Like I said before fool, that you are too afraid to know the facts is no skin off my nose. I gave you the opportunity to find them yourself, because if I bring them up, you claim they are biased sources. Whay a hoot you are. thabnks again for proving your ignorant ideology... No one else has seen this post that you say you made. None of them. Either every other person here is delusional, or it's just you rick. ======================= Yes, you are first and foremost delusional. You are afraid to seek out the info. You are afraid of real discussion, so instead you puff out your chest in jingoistic blatherings. I say you are a liar. Prove me wrong. Are you a coward? ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... I'm not the one that is making claims that aren't being backed up, that would be you, fool. You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care. You are a liar and a coward. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... You are lying. Everyone knows it. Even you. You are a coward because you are too weak to be accountable. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... |
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"KMAN" wrote in message ... You are a liar and a coward. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... in article et, rick at wrote on 2/26/05 5:25 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 2/25/05 8:54 PM: snip... You've been tap dancing for days on end. You are a liar and a coward. ================= Wow, a mimic now too. See, I've told you you have no independent thoughts of your own. I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... I'm not the one that is making claims that aren't being backed up, that would be you, fool. Why have YOU been afraid to look. The sites are still there, my posts are still there, the only thing missing is your courage to look at them. You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care. You are a liar and a coward. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... You are lying. Everyone knows it. Even you. You are a coward because you are too weak to be accountable. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... |
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#920
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"KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 2/26/05 5:30 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 2/25/05 9:03 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... "rick" wrote in message ink.net... snippage... Whatever selfish but harmless reasons there might be for desiring to own an assault weapon, they can't possibly outweight the benefits of not having them available to those who wish to kill a lot of people quickly. ======================== Where are all these people that wish to kill 'a lot'(code for 1000s) of people? "A lot" is NOT code for 1000s of people. It's not code for anything. ============== Yes, it is. Especially when you keep saying it, despite the fact that it isn't so. How much is a lot of donuts? 1000? Only a nut like you thinks "a lot" means 1000s! ======================= LOL Nope, you're the one that keeps talking about a lot, and the 1000s of people that are shot in the US. 1) I have talked about "a lot." This does not mean 1000s. ===================== Youn are the one talking about 1000s... I'm talking about a lot of things. But not once have a talked about one person shooting 1000s of people. ================= Nice strawman fool. That's not a "strawman." ============== Yes, it is. No, it isn't. Straw Man is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. ================= Which is exactly what you have been doing. You made the claim that my reference to assault weapons being able to kill "a lot of people quickly" was "code" for saying that there are individuals using "assault weapons to kill 1000s of people." Thus one could argue that you yourself were making a Straw Man argument, since you ignored my actual position and substituted a distorred, exaggerated, and mispreprsented version of that position. But my own response - that I never claimed individuals were using assault weapons to kill 100s of people - is totally valid, and in no way constitutes a Straw Man argument. ======================= Yes, it does tha way you have presented you spews... i never said you claimed one person did. You keep talking about all these mythical crack dealers on every corner, buying guns at all these mythical corner gun stores, and then mythically killing all these people in the park. You do realize how ignorant you are, don't you? You do realize I posted an example from Detroit that pointed directly to this exact situation (unlike you, I am not a liar and a coward who makes claims and doesn't back them up). ===================== ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... You are a liar and a coward. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... And you do realize that Detroit is not the only place in the US that has drug dealers that shoot people with assault weapons, right? Right? 2) I have also talked about the FACT that more than 30000 people die from guns in the US each year. ================ There you go. See, I knew you'd remember sooner or later. Now, put you fantasies together and make them all crack dealers shooting up parks... You are pathetic. ====================== Thanks for proving you have nothing, fool. I have everything I've claimed to have. ============== Which is nothing, thanks for the admission, fool... Read again. I posted information exactly as you requested. Do the same, unless you want to remain a liar and a coward. Although I suspect that's an identity your are comfortable with. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... Again, fortunatly you are not the arbiter of what is or is not needed. You really have no clue about weapons, do you, fool? I know that an assault rifle is designed to kill a lot of people quickly. ===================== No, you don't. Try learning a little more. Many assault weapons calibers are very intermediate cartridges, designed to wound rather than kill. Oh, great! ===================== What, more ignorance on your part? You really don't know anything about guns except what your brainwashing has taught you, do you? Hm. Well, if brainwashing = fanaticism, you should hear yourself. You really sound...well...crazy. ================== from the head loony? hanks fool... What are my loony beliefs? ================== That no one is waiting for treatment in canadas health care system as a start. Liar. I never said any such thing. Someone is waiting right now. So is someone in the United States. It is impossible to have a health care system where no one is ever waiting. I've waited for US health care myself. You are claiming that people in Canada are dying in wait lines for health care. You can't prove it because you are wrong. You know you are wrong, but you are too much of a coward to admit it. then add anything else you have spewed about here all week... I'm still waiting for you to name just one of my "loony beliefs." Hint: in order to identify one of my beliefs, you will need to use something I've actually, said, and then make your argument as to why it is loony. ================== anything else you have spewed about here all week... Name one. Or are you going to be consistent and be a liar and a coward on this issue as well? ==================== Anything you open your mouth about, like Canadians never waiting for treatment. Big lie there fool... There are many weapons that have far greater chance of killing than assualt weapons. Can any weapon kill? Sure, even a slingshot, but they don't kill just because they "look" mean. You really are a hoot. A laugh a minute. I'll amend: I know that an assault rifle is designed to put a lot of bullets into a lot of people quickly. ==================== So can many other weapons. Good, get rid of those too. =============== Fortunately yiou don't get to make that call. Never said I do. That's why you'll find the statistics of 'assault weapon' use in crime pretty small. Again, tell the the difference between the operation of an assault weapon and others. I know that an assault rifle and many other weapons are designed to put a lot of bullets into a lot of people quickly. ================== Well a new tune!! Before it was only assault weapons that could do this. Tap, tap, tap... Never said that either. ============== yes, it was all you were spewing about. I never said it. =============== Yes, it's what you've been spewing... Prove it, liar. Or are you too big of a coward to admit that yet again you are wrong? ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... trying to pretend that you cared by spewing about a rare occurance by 'assault weapons' I care about all deaths. ============= No you don't, you've proven that with your head in the sand routine about wait lines in Canada. I would care deeply if it were happening. But it isn't. ============== Yes, it is liar. the proof that your caring is just ideological delusion is that you are spewing not a bit about things that cause far more death and suffering in the world. Like health care wait lines.... I am very concerned about death and suffering in the word, including problems with health care. For example, in the United States more than 886,000 deaths could have been prevented from 1991 to 2000 if African Americans had received the same care as whites, according to an analysis in the December issue of the American Journal of Public Health. That's pretty sad. ============== LOL Thanks for proving yet again your jingoistic chest thumping. Sorry, it has nothing to do with me. Go after the American Journal of Public Health. People in Canada die waithing for treatment Actually, they don't. ================== Yes,they do liar. You are the one afraid to open your eyes. , and all you can focus on is AK knockoffs in the US.. Oh yeah, tell us again how much you really care... Actually, I care about the 886,000 preventable deaths in the US, but I guess you don't, all you want to talk about is AK knockoffs. ================== ROTFLMAO What a hoot!! YOU have made them the cornerstone of your anti-US rhetoric fool. It's all you've been able to froth about all week on the subject. Thanks for proving your lies mean more than reason to you. Only selfish idiots or people who want to kill a lot of other people would be in favour of having such guns. ==================== Only fools would be in favor of curbing everyone elses rights... Rights are curbed all the time. Otherwise there would be no laws at all. It's a question of balance, and the need for some nut like you to have a weapon designed to kill a lot of people quickly does not outweight the public good...unless you are a nut. Which you are. ================== Says the head loony? No, the head loony says that only fools are in favor of curbing rights. That's you, rick. ================== ROTFLMAO ou really are that stupid, aren't you? Answer the question Rick, or are you going to be a coward on this issue as well? ================== Where? I have answered your stu[idity fool. Again, you are hiding from the facts with blind ideology. Tthanks again for proving your willful ignorance on even more subjects. Are you in favour of the elimination of all laws? Yes or no? |
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