"KMAN" wrote in message
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in article
et, rick at
wrote on 2/25/05 8:49 PM:



snip..




You have never provided any reference to prove your
allegation
that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...

You are lying. And you are a coward because you are too weak to
be
accountable.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...

"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
et, rick at
wrote on 2/25/05 8:50 PM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
...

"rick" wrote in message
nk.net...

"KMAN" wrote in message
.. .


snip


You are afraid of real discussion, so instead
you puff out your chest in jingoistic blatherings.

There is nothing jingoistic about asking you to post the
materials to support your claim. But you can't, because
they don't exist.
==================
LOL I posted support for my claims, you have not. All
you've done is thump your chest and make claims that I
disproved.
You didn't like that, so you have ignored the posts and/or
claimed the messenger was bad. Too bad for you that the
facts remain available, and are there for you to see, if
you'd ever open your eyes.

You are a liar and a coward.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to
find
out the facts... I'm not the one that is making claims that
aren't being backed up, that would be you, fool.



You have never provided any reference to prove your
allegation
that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward. =================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...

You are lying. Everyone knows it. Even you. You are a coward
because you are
too weak to be accountable.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...

"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article , Scott Weiser at
wrote on 2/25/05 6:59 PM:

A Usenet persona calling itself KMAN wrote:


"Michael Daly" wrote in message
...

On 24-Feb-2005, Scott Weiser
wrote:

"Just because a bunch of fundies pull some numbers out of
their
asses and make claims, doesn't prove anything."

Sounds pretty derisory to me.

That is a critisism of their foolish attempts at "proving"
God exists.
It doesn't say anything about people believing in God being
fools.
But then, you can't read very well.

Proof of the existence of God requires, first, a definition
of what
"God"
is.

How can you prove the existance of something if you don't
even know what
it is you are setting out to prove?

The fact that such belief is an act of faith does not mean
that either
church does not believe that God does, in fact, exist.

Belief is not proof. Proof is much more difficult.

Since God exists in a spiritual world and we exist in a
physical
world, there is a permanent problem of proving anything
about a
realm in which we don't exist.

Mike

Unless you are insane. Those who KNOW that "god" exists are
quite certain
about it and see no problem with promoting their unique
personal fantasy as
factual reality.

Perhaps they are privy to knowledge you aren't....

Invisible knowledge. Sort of like rick's proof that Canadians
are dying in
health care waiting lights. Truly the domain of the nut.
=================
Funny, I never did say anytrhing about them dying at l stop
lights while waiting. Are those really long lines too?
As for medical treatment, I posted sites that even gave you real
numbers for one province. Too bad you are too willfully ignorant
to see facts.

"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
et, rick at
wrote on 2/25/05 8:53 PM:



snip



You are a liar and a coward.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...

You are lying. Everyone knows it. Even you. You are a coward
because you are
too weak to be accountable.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...


snip...


You have never provided any reference to prove your
allegation
that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...

You are lying. Everyone knows it. Even you. You are a coward
because you are
too weak to be accountable.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...








Like I said before fool, that you are too afraid to know
the facts is no skin off my nose. I gave you the
opportunity to find them yourself, because if I bring
them
up, you claim they are biased sources. Whay a hoot you
are. thabnks again for proving your ignorant
ideology...

No one else has seen this post that you say you made.
None
of them.

Either every other person here is delusional, or it's
just
you rick.
=======================
Yes, you are first and foremost delusional. You are
afraid
to
seek out the info. You are afraid of real discussion, so
instead
you puff out your chest in jingoistic blatherings.

I say you are a liar. Prove me wrong. Are you a coward?
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to
find
out the facts... I'm not the one that is making claims that
aren't being backed up, that would be you, fool.

You have never provided any reference to prove your
allegation
that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...

You are lying. Everyone knows it. Even you. You are a coward
because you are
too weak to be accountable.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...

"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
et, rick at
wrote on 2/25/05 8:54 PM:


snip...

You've been tap dancing for days on end. You are a liar and
a
coward.
=================
Wow, a mimic now too. See, I've told you you have no
independent thoughts of your own.
I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out
the facts... I'm not the one that is making claims that
aren't
being backed up, that would be you, fool. Why have YOU been
afraid to look. The sites are still there, my posts are
still
there, the only thing missing is your courage to look at
them.

You have never provided any reference to prove your
allegation
that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...

You are lying. Everyone knows it. Even you. You are a coward
because you are
too weak to be accountable.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...

"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
et, rick at
wrote on 2/25/05 9:03 PM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
...

"rick" wrote in message
ink.net...


snippage...



Whatever selfish but harmless reasons there might be
for
desiring to own an
assault weapon, they can't possibly outweight the
benefits of
not having
them available to those who wish to kill a lot of
people
quickly.
========================
Where are all these people that wish to kill 'a
lot'(code for
1000s) of people?

"A lot" is NOT code for 1000s of people. It's not code
for anything.
==============
Yes, it is. Especially when you keep saying it, despite
the fact that it isn't so.

How much is a lot of donuts? 1000?

Only a nut like you thinks "a lot" means 1000s!
=======================
LOL Nope, you're the one that keeps talking about a lot,
and the 1000s of people that are shot in the US.

1) I have talked about "a lot." This does not mean 1000s.
=====================
Youn are the one talking about 1000s...

I'm talking about a lot of things.

But not once have a talked about one person shooting 1000s of
people.
=================
Nice strawman fool.

That's not a "strawman."
==============
Yes, it is.


i never said you claimed one person did.
You keep talking about all these mythical crack dealers on
every
corner, buying guns at all these mythical corner gun stores,
and
then mythically killing all these people in the park. You do
realize how ignorant you are, don't you?

You do realize I posted an example from Detroit that pointed
directly to
this exact situation (unlike you, I am not a liar and a coward
who makes
claims and doesn't back them up).
=====================
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...



And you do realize that Detroit is not the
only place in the US that has drug dealers that shoot people
with assault
weapons, right?

2) I have also talked about the FACT that more than 30000
people die from guns in the US each year.
================
There you go. See, I knew you'd remember sooner or later.
Now, put you fantasies together and make them all crack
dealers shooting up parks...

You are pathetic.
======================
Thanks for proving you have nothing, fool.

I have everything I've claimed to have.
==============
Which is nothing, thanks for the admission, fool...








Again, fortunatly you are not the arbiter of
what is or is not needed. You really have no clue
about
weapons,
do you, fool?

I know that an assault rifle is designed to kill a lot
of
people quickly.
=====================
No, you don't. Try learning a little more. Many
assault
weapons calibers are very intermediate cartridges,
designed to wound rather than kill.

Oh, great!
=====================
What, more ignorance on your part? You really don't know
anything about guns except what your brainwashing has
taught
you, do you?

Hm. Well, if brainwashing = fanaticism, you should hear
yourself. You really sound...well...crazy.
==================
from the head loony? hanks fool...

What are my loony beliefs?
==================
That no one is waiting for treatment in canadas health care
system as a start.

Liar. I never said any such thing. Someone is waiting right
now. So is
someone in the United States. It is impossible to have a health
care system
where no one is ever waiting. I've waited for US health care
myself.

You are claiming that people in Canada are dying in wait lines
for health
care. You can't prove it because you are wrong. You know you
are wrong, but
you are too much of a coward to admit it.

then add anything else you have spewed about
here all week...

I'm still waiting for you to name just one of my "loony
beliefs." Hint: in
order to identify one of my beliefs, you will need to use
something I've
actually, said, and then make your argument as to why it is
loony.
==================
anything else you have spewed about here all week...




There are many weapons that have far greater chance of
killing than assualt weapons. Can any weapon kill?
Sure,
even a slingshot, but they don't kill just because they
"look" mean. You really are a hoot. A laugh a minute.

I'll amend:

I know that an assault rifle is designed to put a lot of
bullets into a lot of people quickly.
====================
So can many other weapons.

Good, get rid of those too.
===============
Fortunately yiou don't get to make that call.

Never said I do.


That's why you'll find the statistics of 'assault weapon'
use in crime pretty small.
Again, tell the the difference between the operation of an
assault weapon and others.

I know that an assault rifle and many other weapons are
designed to put a lot of bullets into a lot of people
quickly.
==================
Well a new tune!! Before it was only assault weapons that
could do this. Tap, tap, tap...

Never said that either.
==============
yes, it was all you were spewing about.

I never said it.
===============
Yes, it's what you've been spewing...



trying to pretend that
you cared by spewing about a rare occurance by 'assault
weapons'

I care about all deaths.
=============
No you don't, you've proven that with your head in the sand
routine about wait lines in Canada.




the proof that your caring is just ideological delusion is
that
you are spewing not a bit about things that cause far more
death
and suffering in the world. Like health care wait lines....

I am very concerned about death and suffering in the word,
including
problems with health care. For example, in the United States
more than
886,000 deaths could have been prevented from 1991 to 2000 if
African
Americans had received the same care as whites, according to an
analysis in
the December issue of the American Journal of Public Health.
That's pretty
sad.
==============
LOL Thanks for proving yet again your jingoistic chest thumping.
People in Canada die waithing for treatment, and all you can
focus on is AK knockoffs in the US.. Oh yeah, tell us again how
much you really care...



Only selfish idiots or people who want to kill a lot of
other
people would be in favour of having such guns.
====================
Only fools would be in favor of curbing everyone elses
rights...

Rights are curbed all the time. Otherwise there would be no
laws at all. It's a question of balance, and the need for
some
nut like you to have a weapon designed to kill a lot of
people
quickly does not outweight the public good...unless you are a
nut. Which you are.
==================
Says the head loony?

No, the head loony says that only fools are in favor of curbing
rights.
That's you, rick.
==================
ROTFLMAO ou really are that stupid, aren't you?

"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
et, rick at
wrote on 2/25/05 9:07 PM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
...

"rick" wrote in message
ink.net...

"KMAN" wrote in message
.. .

"rick" wrote in message

snip..


In terms of ability to kill more people more quickly,
it
is definitely more
dangerous than any bolt action. You won't find too many
drug dealers
sporting a Field King LOL!
=================
LOL Thanks again for the proof of your stupidity. Why
bring up bolt actions? Besides, many people can fire
bolt
actions very very quickly. My question was what makes
the
AK knockoff any more dangerous that other weapons of the
type?

I doubt it.
====================
You doubt what? I asked a question, but I doubt that you
can answer, as that would require some knowledge.
Again, tell us what makes the ak knockoff more dangerous
than other.

I'm sure there are lots of others as dangerous or more
dangerous.
======================
Then why the spew on only assault weapons for the last few
days, fool? Agenda?

Because assault weapons are an obvious and logical starting
point in getting rid of weapons that serve no useful purpose
but to kill people.
====================
LOL If the death of people is the only justification for
getting
rid of anything, then cars should be first

The care has a purpose other than killing people. It gets
people from one
place to another. Perhaps you were not aware of that.
=====================
Guns have other purposes also, and yet they kill far far fewer
people than cars.



cigarettes

I'm all in favour of getting rid of cigarettes. In fact, where
I live, you
can't smoke inside in any public building or place of business.

Canadian health care system...

At least no one dies waiting for care.
================
Yes, they do, and I have posted the information that says so.
You are too afraid to look because your ideology would take a
beating.



Lots of things kill far more people that
assault weapons. thanks for again proving your ideological
brainwashing, fool...

Assault weapons are not needed in our communities.
=============================
Many things aren't 'needed', fool. Usenet has no real 'need'
Overall, cars have no real 'need.' Swimming pools have no real
'need.' "need" has nothing to do with it fool.


Other than being used to
shoot a lot of bullets at a lot of people quickly, their only
other use is
for selfish idiots who want to compensate for a small penis by
having an
assault weapon in their "collection" and so they can dream
about being a
hero one day by blasting away at some other idiot with an
assault weapon.
=======================
Nice spew, fool.... Too bad it's loony tooons time...



All you are focusing on are visual aspects of a gun, the
operation is not any different that many other weapons.

It is different than any type of weapon where a lot of
ammunition can't be fired quickly.
=================
Now you ignorance is really taking over, isn't it? There
are many other weapons not on the assault weaopn list that
you like to spew about that fire just as fast, and just as
many projectiles.

I didn't say otherwise. Look again.
====================
I have, you only want to rant about the cause of the day
that
your ideology demands.

I'm not ranting at all.
==================
LOL Okay, lying....

What have a I lied about?
=====================
Anything you have spewed about this week...



Please quote something I have said and explain why it is a lie.
==================
That Canadians do not wait for treatment, much less die waiting



Again you porvw that you can't think for yourself, but
rely on ignorance and sensationalism for your ideology.

No idea what you are babbling about.
====================
Of course not, that would require some thoughts of your
own,
and your brainwashing doesn't allow for that, does it?

If you mean someone brainwashed me into thinking that
30000+
people dying every year from guns is not a good thing, you
are right.

But at least I am not a liar and a coward like you.
======================
LOL Looks like you should know all about being a coward,
since you are the one afraid to look up the data I have
already presented, and told you where to look.

You have never provided any reference to prove your
allegation
that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward.
======================
LOL Looks like you should know all about being a coward,
since
you are the one afraid to look up the data I have already
presented, and told you where to look.

You haven't provided anything that proves that Canadians are
dying in line
waiting for health care. Everyone knows you are a liar. But you
are a
coward, too weak to admit that you are a liar.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...

Weiser says:
===========
The United States, despite its high murder rate, was among the
middle ranking countries with a 21 percent victimization rate,"
=============

Whoooaaaa!! Let's not gloss over this one eh? After all, we are talking
about the impact of guns -- things that KILL -- in this thread.

From a 2000 New Zealand gov't study:

http://www.justice.govt.nz/pubs/repo...ime/index.html

Murders per 100,000 population

USA: 5.5
CANADA: 1.8
NZ: 1.8
AUSTRALIA: 1.8

That would be a ratio of 3:1... I'm 3 times as likely to be killed in
the USA than in Canada (by NZ stats).

Hmmm

frtzw906

In case Scott doesn't like the NZ stats, here are some from
Australia...

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/hosb502tabs.xls

Homicides per 100,000 population - average per year 1998 to 2000

USA 5.87
New Zealand 2.28
Sweden 2.06
Australia 1.87
Canada 1.79
England & Wales 1.50
Netherlands 1.40
Germany 1.19
Denmark 1.00


So, for me, these statistics beg the question: WHY? Why is the muder
rate so much higher in the USA? Are there extenuating factors?

Hmmm.....

[in the case of Canada we know, of course, that hundreds of people are
murdered every year by the state -- waiting in medical treatment lines
GRIN]

frtzw906

BCITORGB wrote:
In case Scott doesn't like the NZ stats, here are some from
Australia...

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/hosb502tabs.xls

Homicides per 100,000 population - average per year 1998 to 2000

USA 5.87
New Zealand 2.28
Sweden 2.06
Australia 1.87
Canada 1.79
England & Wales 1.50
Netherlands 1.40
Germany 1.19
Denmark 1.00


So, for me, these statistics beg the question: WHY? Why is the muder
rate so much higher in the USA? Are there extenuating factors?

Hmmm.....

[in the case of Canada we know, of course, that hundreds of people
are
murdered every year by the state -- waiting in medical treatment
lines
GRIN]

frtzw906

So frtwz, are you acknowledging on KMANs behalf that rick is correct in
what he has been claiming? Now can we all move on? GRIN TnT