A Usenet persona calling itself Michael Daly wrote:


On 24-Feb-2005, Scott Weiser wrote:

"Just because a bunch of fundies pull some numbers out of their
asses and make claims, doesn't prove anything."

Sounds pretty derisory to me.

That is a critisism of their foolish attempts at "proving" God exists.

Why would any attempt to prove that God exists be foolish? At worst it might
be unsuccessful, but when ever is inquiry inappropriate?

It doesn't say anything about people believing in God being fools.

I think you're engaging in sophistry.

But then, you can't read very well.

Or, perhaps I read just fine and understand far better than you would like
me to...



Proof of the existence of God requires, first, a definition of what "God"
is.

How can you prove the existance of something if you don't even know what
it is you are setting out to prove?

It's called "basic scientific research." It happens all the time.


The fact that such belief is an act of faith does not mean that either
church does not believe that God does, in fact, exist.

Belief is not proof. Proof is much more difficult.

No one is saying that belief is proof.


Since God exists in a spiritual world and we exist in a physical
world, there is a permanent problem of proving anything about a
realm in which we don't exist.

How do you know God exists in a spiritual world? What is a "spiritual
world?" What does it consist of? Where is it located? What are it's physical
properties?

On the other hand, philosophical references to a "spiritual world" may in
fact be only one way of describing that which is poorly understood that may
very well be a part of the physical world that we simply cannot detect,
quantify or understand at the moment. It may be that the observations and
faith-based beliefs regarding God come from some unanalyzed, indirect
"ripple" effect of the actual machinations of God acting in the physical
world in ways we ordinarily cannot perceive.

Philosophy is often a way to rationalize that which we do not understand,
pending scientific inquiry and proof. That we have not yet been able to
prove the existence of God in the physical world, and that we may
philosophically misinterpret our beliefs about God as being "spiritual" only
shows a degree of lack of understanding, something that can perhaps be
resolved as our knowledge and understanding of the physical world advances.

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Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

A Usenet persona calling itself KMAN wrote:



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suggest that you purchase a stamped 7.62x39 post-ban AK in the
$200.00-$400.00 price range. Then purchase a U.S. parts kit from any of
our
sponsors and install it in the rifle, tell them you want the wood
furniture.
This will allow you to legally have a pistol grip mounted on the rifle.
You
will then need to purchase a non-ribbed 30 round AK magazine from Global
Trades.

The key being "looks similar." Functionally, the firearm operates no
differently if it has look-alike parts installed.

Uhuh. And you think it's unreasonable to describe such a firearm as a
variation of the AK-47? The whole point to begin with is it is a weapon for
killing a lot of people quickly.

Nothing wrong with killing a lot of people quickly, if they need killing.

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Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

A Usenet persona calling itself KMAN wrote:



I didn't think so, you are just spreading Democrat propaganda.

I am?

Yes, you are.


I don't think so.

Which merely makes you a deluded stooge of the
Liberal/Democrat/Socialist
machine.

How did they manage this?

That you don't know proves how effective their brainwashing and propaganda
is.

LOL. Since they never gave me any information about it, it was a hell of a
trick!

Perhaps. More likely you're just hell for stupid.


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Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

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Either every other person here is delusional, or it's just you rick.
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Yes, you are first and foremost delusional. You are afraid to seek
out the info. You are afraid of real discussion, so instead you puff
out your chest in jingoistic blatherings.

As I've offered, simply post the material and I will apologize.
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Already have fool, and on my server they are still available, plus where
I've told you to look. That you wish to remain willfully ignorant
proves your ideology trumps knowledge.

You are a liar and a coward.
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LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...


You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation that
Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward.

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Neither I nor anyone else can see any post from you that provides
evidence
that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

Please provide a link. Otherwise, unless you believe that everyone
but you
is able to see them, you may have to accept that they do not exist.
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I have, and I've told you where else to check several times.
that you wish to remain willfully ignorant is your decision.

No one else has seen this post that you say you made. None of them.
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You've asked the whole world have you? What a hoot fool. Again, why
are you afraid to look up the info for yourself? Why do you want me
to, whne I already have and you didn't like the messenger?

The information does not exist, because you are wrong.
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Keep telling yourself that, and maybe someday you might even believe it.
That you wish to remain willfully ignorant proves your ideology trumps
knowledge.

You are a liar and a coward. =================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...

You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation that
Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward.

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You are afraid of real discussion, so instead
you puff out your chest in jingoistic blatherings.

There is nothing jingoistic about asking you to post the materials to
support your claim. But you can't, because they don't exist.
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LOL I posted support for my claims, you have not. All you've done is
thump your chest and make claims that I disproved.
You didn't like that, so you have ignored the posts and/or claimed the
messenger was bad. Too bad for you that the facts remain available, and
are there for you to see, if you'd ever open your eyes.

You are a liar and a coward.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... I'm not the one that is making claims that aren't being
backed up, that would be you, fool.



You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation that
Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward.

A Usenet persona calling itself KMAN wrote:


"Michael Daly" wrote in message
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On 24-Feb-2005, Scott Weiser wrote:

"Just because a bunch of fundies pull some numbers out of their
asses and make claims, doesn't prove anything."

Sounds pretty derisory to me.

That is a critisism of their foolish attempts at "proving" God exists.
It doesn't say anything about people believing in God being fools.
But then, you can't read very well.

Proof of the existence of God requires, first, a definition of what
"God"
is.

How can you prove the existance of something if you don't even know what
it is you are setting out to prove?

The fact that such belief is an act of faith does not mean that either
church does not believe that God does, in fact, exist.

Belief is not proof. Proof is much more difficult.

Since God exists in a spiritual world and we exist in a physical
world, there is a permanent problem of proving anything about a
realm in which we don't exist.

Mike

Unless you are insane. Those who KNOW that "god" exists are quite certain
about it and see no problem with promoting their unique personal fantasy as
factual reality.

Perhaps they are privy to knowledge you aren't.... That would not be at all
surprising.
--
Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

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in article t, rick
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Whatever it was, it wasn't truthful. Because, the truth is, I
never said
what you claimed I said.
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Your intent was the same...

My intent was exactly what I stated, not something you made up.
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Yes, spewing your ignorance. That wasn't something I made up.

Actually, it was.
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No, your have displayed your ignorance quite well. You have proven
that you cannot use your computer.

The fact that you just responded to a message sent from my computer
proves that I can use it.
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LOL Nice tap dance queeny. Now prove that you realy can use your
computer and look up the data that I have posted for you. Or are you still
too afraid to do that?

You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation that
Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward.



You have proven that you cannot accept facts that interfere with your
fantasies.

What facts? Please present them.
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I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... I'm not the one that is making claims that aren't being
backed up, that would be you, fool.
Why have YOU been afraid to look. The sites are still there, my posts are
still there, the only thing missing is your courage to look at them.

You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation that
Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward.




You have proven that you are a buffoon.

I think behaviour befitting a buffoon could include:

1) corresponding with someone via computer and then telling them they
don't know how to use a computer
====================
You've made it apparent that you do not know how to use your computer
effectively. That, or you've proven that you are afraid of what you will
find.

You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation that
Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward.


2) telling them that they cannot accept facts that you have failed to
present
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I have presented facts, dolt. It is YOU that has made claims that you
have never backed up. It is you that has been lying.

You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation that
Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward.



3) at this point, the idea that you are going to start making sense has
become a fantasy
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Fantasies and delusions are what you live by. Me? I prefer to deal in
reality. And that is what I have posted for you. You have decided that
you prefer your willful ignorance and delusions. Thanks for proving it
yet again.

You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation that
Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward.



http://www.freep.com/news/locway/shoot4_20040604.htm
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NAme the corner store they bought their weapons from, fool. thanks
again for displaying your ignorant ideology.

Does it matter which store they bought them at!??!?!!??!
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LOL You're theone that keeps saying they trot down to the corner
gun-mart, like there's one on every crack dealers corner. That's just
part of your ignorant delusions.

Well, they got them, and shot up the neighbourhood, isn't THAT the point?
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Tap, tap, tap. Nice dance there queeny.

No dancing. That's the point.

But I'll see your corner gun-marts and raise you a corner gun
rent-a-center, like they have in Toronto.
http://www.diversitywatch.ryerson.ca...globe_jan7.htm

So? I'm not in favour of drug dealers buying guns and shooting people
in Canada either!
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Yet you can rent one for just that purpose. haven't seen any rent-a-gun
shops around here.

There's actually more than just me here in Canada. They can close every
gun shop of ever type for all I care.
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And fortunately for everyone else, you aren't the person that gets to make
that call.

Never said I was.



Now where's your link that proves Canadians are dying in wait lines
for
health care?
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I have, and I've told you where else to check several times.
that you wish to remain willfully ignorant is your decision.

No one else has seen this post that you say you made. None of them.

Either every other person here is delusional, or it's just you rick.
=======================
Yes, you are first and foremost delusional. You are afraid to
seek out the info. You are afraid of real discussion, so instead
you puff out your chest in jingoistic blatherings.

The info does not exist. Prove me wrong. Or are you a coward?
=================
I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... I'm not the one that is making claims that aren't being
backed up, that would be you, fool.
Why have YOU been afraid to look. The sites are still there, my posts are
still there, the only thing missing is your courage to look at them.

You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation that
Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward.






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There's no need for assault weapons, other than the selfish fascination
of gun nuts or those who want to kill a lot of people in a short period
of time.
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Again fool, tell us the difference between this assault weapon and any
other available. There are far more powerful and deadly weapons out
there fool.

Good, get rid of those too.
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You aren't the person that makes that call. Unlike you I live in a more
free society apparently. At least one where I'm not trapped by my
ideology, brainwashing, and delusions.

I'm carrying along with life and doing just fine, thanks. But I don't have
to say I love guns if I don't.

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Yes, you are first and foremost delusional. You are afraid to
seek out the info. You are afraid of real discussion, so instead
you puff out your chest in jingoistic blatherings.

I'm not afraid. Prove me wrong. I say the information does not exist. Are
you a coward?
======================
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LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... I'm not the one that is making claims that aren't being
backed up, that would be you, fool.

You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation that
Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward.



Like I said before fool, that you are too afraid to know the facts is
no skin off my nose. I gave you the opportunity to find them yourself,
because if I bring them up, you claim they are biased sources. Whay a
hoot you are. thabnks again for proving your ignorant ideology...

No one else has seen this post that you say you made. None of them.

Either every other person here is delusional, or it's just you rick.
=======================
Yes, you are first and foremost delusional. You are afraid to
seek out the info. You are afraid of real discussion, so instead
you puff out your chest in jingoistic blatherings.

I say you are a liar. Prove me wrong. Are you a coward?
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... I'm not the one that is making claims that aren't being
backed up, that would be you, fool.

You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation that
Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward.

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I never said any such thing, nor implied it. If even one person
is killed
with an assault weapon - a gun that is designed to kill many
people quickly
- that's obviously too many.
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Yes, that is exactly what you keep implying when you talk about
spraying in parks.

It happens.
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What corner store did they buy these guns from? Your ignorance is
exposed, again...

AHAHAHA!

So now it matters which store they bought them at?

Heehee. It's fun watching you get so pathetically desperate!
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LOL That's a hoot coming from the tap dance queen...

You've been tap dancing for days on end. You are a liar and a coward.
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Wow, a mimic now too. See, I've told you you have no independent
thoughts of your own.
I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts...
I'm not the one that is making claims that aren't being backed up, that
would be you, fool. Why have YOU been afraid to look. The sites are
still there, my posts are still there, the only thing missing is your
courage to look at them.

You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation that
Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward.

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wrote on 2/25/05 12:15 AM:


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snippage...


IOW, you know you're beat and are trying to slither out of
admitting it. I'm
not going to do your homework for you. Besides, YOU are the
one who implied
substantial US deaths from "assault weapons," so it's up to
YOU to
substantiate that claim.

Unless there are no deaths from them, it doesn't matter. They
aren't needed
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According to whom????? You? You are hardly the arbiter of
what
people need. If I were you, the first thing I'd do is look
for
an education. Yours was sorely lacking. Maybe you should
demand
your money back...

Whatever selfish but harmless reasons there might be for
desiring to own an
assault weapon, they can't possibly outweight the benefits of
not having
them available to those who wish to kill a lot of people
quickly.
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Where are all these people that wish to kill 'a lot'(code for
1000s) of people?

"A lot" is NOT code for 1000s of people. It's not code for anything.
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Yes, it is. Especially when you keep saying it, despite the fact that
it isn't so.

How much is a lot of donuts? 1000?

Only a nut like you thinks "a lot" means 1000s!
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LOL Nope, you're the one that keeps talking about a lot, and the 1000s
of people that are shot in the US.

1) I have talked about "a lot." This does not mean 1000s.
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Youn are the one talking about 1000s...

I'm talking about a lot of things.

But not once have a talked about one person shooting 1000s of people.

2) I have also talked about the FACT that more than 30000 people die from
guns in the US each year.
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There you go. See, I knew you'd remember sooner or later. Now, put you
fantasies together and make them all crack dealers shooting up parks...

You are pathetic.



Again, fortunatly you are not the arbiter of
what is or is not needed. You really have no clue about weapons,
do you, fool?

I know that an assault rifle is designed to kill a lot of people
quickly.
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No, you don't. Try learning a little more. Many assault weapons
calibers are very intermediate cartridges, designed to wound rather
than kill.

Oh, great!
=====================
What, more ignorance on your part? You really don't know anything about
guns except what your brainwashing has taught you, do you?

Hm. Well, if brainwashing = fanaticism, you should hear yourself. You
really sound...well...crazy.
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from the head loony? hanks fool...

What are my loony beliefs?



There are many weapons that have far greater chance of killing than
assualt weapons. Can any weapon kill? Sure, even a slingshot, but they
don't kill just because they "look" mean. You really are a hoot. A
laugh a minute.

I'll amend:

I know that an assault rifle is designed to put a lot of bullets into a
lot of people quickly.
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So can many other weapons.

Good, get rid of those too.
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Fortunately yiou don't get to make that call.

Never said I do.


That's why you'll find the statistics of 'assault weapon' use in crime
pretty small.
Again, tell the the difference between the operation of an assault
weapon and others.

I know that an assault rifle and many other weapons are designed to put a
lot of bullets into a lot of people quickly.
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Well a new tune!! Before it was only assault weapons that could do this.
Tap, tap, tap...

Never said that either.



Only selfish idiots or people who want to kill a lot of other people
would be in favour of having such guns.
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Only fools would be in favor of curbing everyone elses rights...

Rights are curbed all the time. Otherwise there would be no laws at all.
It's a question of balance, and the need for some nut like you to have a
weapon designed to kill a lot of people quickly does not outweight the
public good...unless you are a nut. Which you are.