"Matt Lang" wrote in message
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Ok How much oil do you need for an oil change?

Matt

What's the difference? :-) I mean, are you collecting this information
in
order to make a purchase decision? Or, what?

I have 200 HP 2 stroke and just want to feel better by knowing how
much oil a 4stroke uses

That makes no sense at all. :-) Once you know, are you going to replace your
2-stroke?

"Matt Lang" wrote
I have 200 HP 2 stroke and just want to feel better
by knowing how much oil a 4stroke uses

The quantity of oil needed to operate a modern oil-injected 2 stroke engine
is pretty darn similar to that needed to operate an equivalent 4 stroke.
There.
Feel better?

On 17 Nov 2004 12:52:09 -0800, (Matt Lang) wrote:

Guys,

I am trying to find out how much more (or less) oil a 2 stroke uses
compared to a 4 stroke.

Thus, I need to know about your 4 stroke motor (inboard or outboard):

- Horsepower, brand
- amount of oil it takes for an oil change (incl filter)
- how often do you change your oil (how many hours)
- how often does the manufacturer recommend you change the oil?
- Does your motor burn or lose oil? Do you have to top up in between
oil changes?

Thanks for your help!

Matt

210hp, Mercruiser 5.7L
5qts
At end of every season (about 60 hrs)
Not sure, think it's every 100 hours
Have never added oil between changes. Checked every trip.

You're welcome!

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Matt Lang wrote:
Guys,

I am trying to find out how much more (or less) oil a 2 stroke uses
compared to a 4 stroke.

Thus, I need to know about your 4 stroke motor (inboard or outboard):

- Horsepower, brand

80/na

- amount of oil it takes for an oil change (incl filter)

6 ltrs (9-10 pints)

- how often do you change your oil (how many hours)

50 hrs (oops sometimes a "little" longer:-)) At lease every 6 mths in
time regardless of hours & always new filter(s)

- how often does the manufacturer recommend you change the oil?

NA

- Does your motor burn or lose oil? Do you have to top up in between
oil changes?

no/no


Thanks for your help!

welcome:-)

K

Matt

"K. Smith" wrote in message ...
Matt Lang wrote:
Guys,

I am trying to find out how much more (or less) oil a 2 stroke uses
compared to a 4 stroke.

Thus, I need to know about your 4 stroke motor (inboard or outboard):

- Horsepower, brand

80/na

- amount of oil it takes for an oil change (incl filter)

6 ltrs (9-10 pints)

- how often do you change your oil (how many hours)

50 hrs (oops sometimes a "little" longer:-)) At lease every 6 mths in
time regardless of hours & always new filter(s)

- how often does the manufacturer recommend you change the oil?

NA

- Does your motor burn or lose oil? Do you have to top up in between
oil changes?

no/no


Thanks for your help!

welcome:-)

K

Matt



Thanks to you guys for the data! Keep 'em coming!

I think its safe to say that if you do run your motor only few hours a
year, like 10-20, a 2 stroke may actually consume less oil. It will
change the more you run it ... Still more data needs to be collected.

A 4 stroke that burns oil, and I was told for cars 1l per 1000 km is
considered no defect (by the manufacturer of course! The owner sees it
differently) will use quiet a bit of oil.

Matt

Matt Lang wrote:
"K. Smith" wrote in message ...

Matt Lang wrote:

Guys,

I am trying to find out how much more (or less) oil a 2 stroke uses
compared to a 4 stroke.

Thus, I need to know about your 4 stroke motor (inboard or outboard):

- Horsepower, brand

80/na


- amount of oil it takes for an oil change (incl filter)

6 ltrs (9-10 pints)


- how often do you change your oil (how many hours)

50 hrs (oops sometimes a "little" longer:-)) At lease every 6 mths in
time regardless of hours & always new filter(s)


- how often does the manufacturer recommend you change the oil?

NA


- Does your motor burn or lose oil? Do you have to top up in between
oil changes?

no/no


Thanks for your help!

welcome:-)

K

Matt




Thanks to you guys for the data! Keep 'em coming!

I think its safe to say that if you do run your motor only few hours a
year, like 10-20, a 2 stroke may actually consume less oil. It will
change the more you run it ... Still more data needs to be collected.

A 4 stroke that burns oil, and I was told for cars 1l per 1000 km is
considered no defect (by the manufacturer of course! The owner sees it
differently) will use quiet a bit of oil.

Matt

Save you do huge hours per season I doubt a 4 stroke would "use" less
oil than one of the new epa compliant 2 strokes but you might also consider;

(i) The 4 stroke doesn't put oil out into the air or the water, it gets
"changed". Hopefully the used oil gets disposed of correctly, here
that's mostly take it to a garage for their recycle tanks.

(ii) You should at least once a season clean out the oil reservoir on
the 2 strokes (new or old type), the oil in a vented tank absorbs
moisture which creates a sludge in the bottom of the tank.

(iii) The "new" 2 strokes use or at least recommend special dealer only
oils; can be expensive.

K

"K. Smith" wrote in message ...
Matt Lang wrote:

Save you do huge hours per season I doubt a 4 stroke would "use" less
oil than one of the new epa compliant 2 strokes but you might also consider;

I will create some charts and post ... Besides the ETEC they all use
lots of oil . My optimax runs at 50:1 - 60:1


(i) The 4 stroke doesn't put oil out into the air or the water, it gets
"changed". Hopefully the used oil gets disposed of correctly, here
that's mostly take it to a garage for their recycle tanks.

Yes true ... this time however cost is the only objective

I am unsure which is worse: 2 stroke oil burnt or 4 stroke oil in the
landfills in form of oily rags and filters which most people dont
dispose properly (assuming they recycle the actual oil)


(ii) You should at least once a season clean out the oil reservoir on
the 2 strokes (new or old type), the oil in a vented tank absorbs
moisture which creates a sludge in the bottom of the tank.

Yikes! I didnt know that ... how is that done? flush it with oil?


(iii) The "new" 2 strokes use or at least recommend special dealer only
oils; can be expensive.

They ARE very expensive. Although you can run an optimax on the
(relatively) cheap oil it is STRONGLY not recommended ....

Thanks for your good input!

Matt

I am probably a heavy user here, about 300-350 hours a year in a 12 month
boating season.
I change my oil 4 times a year, using 3 quarts a change and none between. At
that rate I am using a lot less oil than I did with a 2 stroke. It also gets
recycled.
Figure your oil goes in at 50:1 in a 2 stroke, my 60 uses 3 quarts so I could
burn 37.5 gallons of mix but since you usually use a pint per 6 gallon can it
is really 36.125 gallons. That would only last me about 10 hours at a moderate
cruise speed. The oil saving for me is 90% over a 2 stroke. I could even save
more if I used auto oil instead of Merc brand.. If you also add in the actual
fuel efficiency it is greater than that.
I bet the saving is even greater when you get up into the big Vs. His 6 quart
oil change would "mix" about 72 gallons of gas. A 250 2 stroke could easily
burn that on one day's offshore fishing trip.

Matt Lang wrote:

Guys,

I am trying to find out how much more (or less) oil a 2 stroke uses
compared to a 4 stroke.

Thus, I need to know about your 4 stroke motor (inboard or outboard):

- Horsepower, brand

Ford-based Palmer Crusader ThermoElectron 220 hp V-8

- amount of oil it takes for an oil change (incl filter)

5 qts. inc filter, @ $4.09 qt. for Mobil 1

- how often do you change your oil (how many hours)

45-50 hrs.

- how often does the manufacturer recommend you change the oil?

100 hrs

- Does your motor burn or lose oil?

No.

Do you have to top up in between oil changes?

No.


At about 6 gal/hr. on average, we are "using" about the same amount of
oil per hour, at about $2.05/pt., as our Glastron/115 hp Evinrude which
also uses about 6 gal/hr of 50:1 in normal mixed use. It's just about a
wash with us - both are 16' fiberglass boats - unless we start using the
inboard more (which we probably will as the kids start skiing more).

When we were using the Glastron 100-120 hrs. / year, and snowmobiling
all winter, we bought a 55 gallon drum of Kendall 2 stroke. That was a
big money saver... it kills me to pay retail for oil now...

Rob