NOYB wrote:

I don't care if they try him through the usual court system. However, he
needs to be held incommunicado...

Why? What are you afraid of hearing? What are you afraid he might say?

and his attorney needs to be screened thoroughly for
any potential links to fundamentalist Islam.

But you wouldn't mind if he has "real" links to fundamentalist
"Christianity"? If his lawyer is licensed to practice wherever the
proceedings are held that is all that matters. When the government
starts screening lawyers through some patriotic filter we are all in
very serious trouble. We will have done to ourselves more than a world
of foreign terrorists could ever do.

You were just born a few years too late to live under the system you
seem to desire. Your version of a judicial system has already been
tried, it was the Sondergerhte.

You and your ilk are the threat that needs to be watched.

Rick

"Rick" wrote in message
ink.net...

You were just born a few years too late to live under the system you
seem to desire. Your version of a judicial system has already been
tried, it was the Sondergerhte.

You and your ilk are the threat that needs to be watched.


More recent: J. Edgar Hoover, the guy who wanted to be reincarnated as Josef
Stalin.

Doug Kanter wrote:

More recent: J. Edgar Hoover, the guy who wanted to be reincarnated as Josef
Stalin.

Yeah, but, no thanks to him, he could come back as Josephine 8-)

Another hypocritical rightwing piece of s..t who would have taken the
country into the social and political Hell NOYB and his ilk so desire
for all but themselves.

Rick

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:06:04 +0000, Rick wrote:


When the government starts
screening lawyers through some patriotic filter we are all in very serious
trouble. We will have done to ourselves more than a world of foreign
terrorists could ever do.

We already have. Remember John Gotti and Bruce Cutler? I am not
defending either, but Cutler wasn't allowed to defend Gotti.

http://www.ganglandnews.com/column14.htm

NOYB wrote:

Well, apparently you liberals will get your wish. Apparently, the 2nd US
Circuit Court of Appeals has decided that the Patriot Act can't be used to
detain Jose Padilla as an enemy combatant. When the guy starts talking to
his accomplices via his attorney, and the dirty nuke attack eventually
*does* takes place, won't you be glad you got what you wished for?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20031218/D7VGT6E00.html

The ironic thing is...those who most strongly oppose the Patriot Act live in
or near the large cities that are most likely to be targeted by the
terrorists who will be released by today's ruling. Merry Christmas...

Oh yeah...one more thing...


Don't look directly at the light.







And it is a good thing, too, since the so-called Patriot Act is the most
unAmerican piece of crap perpetrated by the right-wing loonies since Joe
McCarthy.

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On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:59:07 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

snip
And it is a good thing, too, since the so-called Patriot Act is the most
unAmerican piece of crap perpetrated by the right-wing loonies since Joe
McCarthy.

Harry, just what rights have you lost under the Patriot Act. I've asked you this
before, but you apparently missed the question.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

JohnH wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:59:07 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

snip
And it is a good thing, too, since the so-called Patriot Act is the most
unAmerican piece of crap perpetrated by the right-wing loonies since Joe
McCarthy.

Harry, just what rights have you lost under the Patriot Act. I've asked you this
before, but you apparently missed the question.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

No man is an island, John.
There; it is Donne.

Got it?

When civil liberties are attacked by the US government, we're all under
attack.

The Bush Administration is hell-bent on eroding civil liberties. Perhaps
the courts are finally waking up to the erosions being perpetrated by
the fascists running the Bush Administration.







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On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:27:18 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

JohnH wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:59:07 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

snip
And it is a good thing, too, since the so-called Patriot Act is the most
unAmerican piece of crap perpetrated by the right-wing loonies since Joe
McCarthy.

Harry, just what rights have you lost under the Patriot Act. I've asked you this
before, but you apparently missed the question.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

No man is an island, John.
There; it is Donne.

Got it?

When civil liberties are attacked by the US government, we're all under
attack.

The Bush Administration is hell-bent on eroding civil liberties. Perhaps
the courts are finally waking up to the erosions being perpetrated by
the fascists running the Bush Administration.

Apparently I wasn't clear. What civil liberties have you lost under the Patriot
Act? This is the act that 98 Senators voted for, yes?


John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

Harry doesn't like to answer direct questions...'cause honesty makes him
uncomfortable.

What rights have *you* lost Harry?



"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:27:18 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:59:07 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

snip
And it is a good thing, too, since the so-called Patriot Act is the
most
unAmerican piece of crap perpetrated by the right-wing loonies since
Joe
McCarthy.

Harry, just what rights have you lost under the Patriot Act. I've asked
you this
before, but you apparently missed the question.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

No man is an island, John.
There; it is Donne.

Got it?

When civil liberties are attacked by the US government, we're all under
attack.

The Bush Administration is hell-bent on eroding civil liberties. Perhaps
the courts are finally waking up to the erosions being perpetrated by
the fascists running the Bush Administration.

Apparently I wasn't clear. What civil liberties have you lost under the
Patriot
Act? This is the act that 98 Senators voted for, yes?


John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

Apparently I wasn't clear. What civil liberties have you lost under the
Patriot
Act? This is the act that 98 Senators voted for, yes?


John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD


You do a disservice to the right wing when you ask this question, as does NOYB
when he repeats it. It's a stupid question.
I guess the problem is that your talk radio
gurus haven't really addressed this, so as an early Solstice Holiday Gift I
will fill in for them.

The Patriot Act reduces inalienable individual rights guaranteed by the
Constitution of the United States to provisional rights subject to the whim of
the Chief Executive.

Read that paragraph again, slowly, if it didn't register the first time
through.

Merely by uttering the word, "Terrorist" or "Enemy Combatant", under the
Patriot Act, the Executive branch can strip any citizen of the United States of
any and all civil rights. Each citizen of the US is entitled to a full spectrum
of civil rights until *convicted* (not merely accused of) a serious crime.

Under the Patriot Act, there is no appeals process if the Executive Branch
decides to label you a "terrorist" or an "enemy combatant." You are simply
locked up and the key is thrown away.

Now, if you cannot see how having your individual, inalienable rights
guaranteed by the constitution is a better situation than having whatever
politician currently elected POTUS making (possibly politically motivated)
decisions about who is going to be protected under the Bill of Rights and who
is not, then you will surely keep asking your same silly question until hell
freezes over.

Just because the hate mongers on right wing radio pose the rhetorical question,
"What do these liberal, left wing, communist, traitor, Democrat *******s think
they have given up as a result of the Patriot Act"..doesn't mean the question
has any legs at all in the real world.