Well, apparently you liberals will get your wish. Apparently, the 2nd US
Circuit Court of Appeals has decided that the Patriot Act can't be used to
detain Jose Padilla as an enemy combatant. When the guy starts talking to
his accomplices via his attorney, and the dirty nuke attack eventually
*does* takes place, won't you be glad you got what you wished for?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20031218/D7VGT6E00.html

The ironic thing is...those who most strongly oppose the Patriot Act live in
or near the large cities that are most likely to be targeted by the
terrorists who will be released by today's ruling. Merry Christmas...

Oh yeah...one more thing...


Don't look directly at the light.

How long did you think he should've been held as an enemy combatant?

"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...
Well, apparently you liberals will get your wish. Apparently, the 2nd US
Circuit Court of Appeals has decided that the Patriot Act can't be used to
detain Jose Padilla as an enemy combatant. When the guy starts talking to
his accomplices via his attorney, and the dirty nuke attack eventually
*does* takes place, won't you be glad you got what you wished for?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20031218/D7VGT6E00.html

The ironic thing is...those who most strongly oppose the Patriot Act live
in
or near the large cities that are most likely to be targeted by the
terrorists who will be released by today's ruling. Merry Christmas...

Oh yeah...one more thing...


Don't look directly at the light.

Well, apparently you liberals will get your wish. Apparently, the 2nd US
Circuit Court of Appeals has decided that the Patriot Act can't be used to
detain Jose Padilla as an enemy combatant. When the guy starts talking to
his accomplices via his attorney, and the dirty nuke attack eventually
*does* takes place, won't you be glad you got what you wished for?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20031218/D7VGT6E00.html

The ironic thing is...those who most strongly oppose the Patriot Act live in
or near the large cities that are most likely to be targeted by the
terrorists who will be released by today's ruling. Merry Christmas...

Oh yeah...one more thing...


Don't look directly at the light.


So we should let George Bush "nuke" the
Bill of Rights to try and preserve the American way? Sorry, makes no sense to
me at all.

But, it is nice to know that there was only
*1* (one, as in singular) person in the US
who would ever consider a sick, criminal, terrorist activity like setting off a
deadly bomb. I guess the whole country was completely safe as long as this
sole, nut case, US citizen was locked up indefinitely without being charged
with a crime and without access to counsel.

If he is suspected of a crime, let him be charged with a crime and prosecuted.
If it's a serious crime, he can be kept in jail without bail at the judge's
option- just like any other criminal suspect.

Meanwhile, there are risks associated with freedom. Some people will use or
abuse our social freedoms to commit crimes. The solution is not to curtail the
rights of a free society, but rather to vigorously prosecute
the criminals.

If Jose Padilla is a threat to the United States, I don't care if he never
emerges from prison again....but it has to be done according to the
Constitution.

Forever.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
news
How long did you think he should've been held as an enemy combatant?

"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...
Well, apparently you liberals will get your wish. Apparently, the 2nd
US
Circuit Court of Appeals has decided that the Patriot Act can't be used
to
detain Jose Padilla as an enemy combatant. When the guy starts talking
to
his accomplices via his attorney, and the dirty nuke attack eventually
*does* takes place, won't you be glad you got what you wished for?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20031218/D7VGT6E00.html

The ironic thing is...those who most strongly oppose the Patriot Act
live
in
or near the large cities that are most likely to be targeted by the
terrorists who will be released by today's ruling. Merry Christmas...

Oh yeah...one more thing...


Don't look directly at the light.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Well, apparently you liberals will get your wish. Apparently, the 2nd US
Circuit Court of Appeals has decided that the Patriot Act can't be used
to
detain Jose Padilla as an enemy combatant. When the guy starts talking
to
his accomplices via his attorney, and the dirty nuke attack eventually
*does* takes place, won't you be glad you got what you wished for?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20031218/D7VGT6E00.html

The ironic thing is...those who most strongly oppose the Patriot Act live
in
or near the large cities that are most likely to be targeted by the
terrorists who will be released by today's ruling. Merry Christmas...

Oh yeah...one more thing...


Don't look directly at the light.


So we should let George Bush "nuke" the
Bill of Rights to try and preserve the American way? Sorry, makes no
sense to
me at all.

But, it is nice to know that there was only
*1* (one, as in singular) person in the US
who would ever consider a sick, criminal, terrorist activity like setting
off a
deadly bomb. I guess the whole country was completely safe as long as this
sole, nut case, US citizen was locked up indefinitely without being
charged
with a crime and without access to counsel.

If he is suspected of a crime, let him be charged with a crime and
prosecuted.
If it's a serious crime, he can be kept in jail without bail at the
judge's
option- just like any other criminal suspect.

Meanwhile, there are risks associated with freedom. Some people will use
or
abuse our social freedoms to commit crimes. The solution is not to curtail
the
rights of a free society, but rather to vigorously prosecute
the criminals.

If Jose Padilla is a threat to the United States, I don't care if he never
emerges from prison again....but it has to be done according to the
Constitution.

I don't care if they try him through the usual court system. However, he
needs to be held incommunicado...and his attorney needs to be screened
thoroughly for any potential links to fundamentalist Islam.

Forever.

NOYB, you were born 150 years too late.

Get thee down to a library and do a bit of research on the Lincoln
Assassination.
You will discover that the suspects, (yes there were quite a number beyond
JWB), were held in prison under conditions you would applaud. They were
individually and solitarily confined, wearing canvas hoods with tiny air holes.
They were gagged except when eating, and never allowed to speak to *anybody*.

You'd think their military trial was a real hoot, as well.

Most likely, all were guilty as hell.

Trouble was, there were some *very* nervous public officials who didn't get a
good night's sleep until the lot of them were finally hanged and silenced
forever.

*That's* one of the dangers of your Patriot Act. It can be used to silence
people who are guilty of knowing too much about particular parties. Not saying
that is the situation in Padilla's case, but it is a possibility any time the
POTUS can unilaterally order an individual held "forever" without charges,
trial, or access to an attorney.

"NOYB" wrote in message
et...
Forever.

If your kid was a captured POW and the enemy said "forever", you'd be
whining ad infinitum about the Geneva Convention, you pansy. :-)

NOYB wrote:

I don't care if they try him through the usual court system. However, he
needs to be held incommunicado...

Why? What are you afraid of hearing? What are you afraid he might say?

and his attorney needs to be screened thoroughly for
any potential links to fundamentalist Islam.

But you wouldn't mind if he has "real" links to fundamentalist
"Christianity"? If his lawyer is licensed to practice wherever the
proceedings are held that is all that matters. When the government
starts screening lawyers through some patriotic filter we are all in
very serious trouble. We will have done to ourselves more than a world
of foreign terrorists could ever do.

You were just born a few years too late to live under the system you
seem to desire. Your version of a judicial system has already been
tried, it was the Sondergerhte.

You and your ilk are the threat that needs to be watched.

Rick

"Rick" wrote in message
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You were just born a few years too late to live under the system you
seem to desire. Your version of a judicial system has already been
tried, it was the Sondergerhte.

You and your ilk are the threat that needs to be watched.


More recent: J. Edgar Hoover, the guy who wanted to be reincarnated as Josef
Stalin.

Gould 0738 wrote:


Get thee down to a library and do a bit of research on the Lincoln
Assassination.

NOYB and his ilk are intellectually incapable of applying history to the
present or future. They must honestly believe that if something did not
occur since they obtained their first television then it can not occur
in their lifetime.

They are incapable of relating historical events to current political
expedients. Like gluttons, they prefer to delight in the feast and turn
their backs to the inevitable cost of such indulgence.

They are truly frightening in their ignorance. They are the flagbearers
for political evil and social disintegration.

Rick