Harry Krause wrote:

Jack Meholf wrote:

I wonder how many deer he killed when he developed that land and increased
man's encroachment upon the deer's native habitat.

So, how much did you say you got for that wakeboard skiboat?

This is the third time you posted this question which has nothing to do
with the discussion which was your hypocrisy in speaking out of on side
of your mouth about of preserving land and wildlife, while out of the
other side about your [supposed] real estate development venture.

One can only conclude that you truly are mentally ill exhibiting
flight-of-idea symptoms.

Have your junior live-in aide contact the doctor immediately. Things are
getting worse.

-- Charlie


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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:50:22 GMT, "swatcop"
wrote:
Just F.Y.I., my personal definition of a safety inspection is not to be a
jerk and have a citation writing contest. I was thinking more along the
lines of pointing out to the boaters what equipment is old or missing,
trying to help out, not be an ass with a ticket book.

================================================== ====

Your attitude is commendable but your role is slightly confused. Your
role as an armed, badge wearing law officer is to enforce the law (in
a hopefully reasonable manner), not to offer helpful suggestions to
people who are not even on the water yet. To me that is overly
intrusive, and comparable to stopping someone who is backing out of
the driveway for a quick safety check of their car.


I can see your point, but on the other hand (and there's always another
hand), the police *do* sometimes slow down traffic to peek in cars for seat
belt compliance. There are occasional complaints about this, but mostly it
goes by without much whining.

(Unbelievably, they actually catch people without seat belts - people who
had a full minute to put them on while they waited their turn to be peeked
at).

"swatcop" wrote in message
...


I don't think that a fistfull of citations is the answer.....

Your supervisors might think citations are the answer, however. Of course,
there are never "quotas", per se. A friend with Nassau County Highway Patrol
(Long Island) use to respond to the quota question with "Hell no....there's
no quota. We can write as many as we want". (Huh???)

Doug Kanter wrote:

"thunder" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:42:59 +0000, Wayne.B wrote:

I can't claim to speak for the entire public but here are some of my hot
buttons:

Really tough noise enforcement.

As I get older, I'm surprised at how intrusive I find loud noises. Things
that never used to bother me are now an annoyance, loud boats,
un-muffled Harleys, or, my personal favorite, the Sunday mower
marathon.

I can sort of put up with the mowers, but it's the leaf blowers that get to
me. In my previous residence, my neighbor had a driveway one car wide and 30
feet long. He'd get out the blower and spend an hour chasing down 17 blades
of grass. Meanwhile, when my son was 6 yrs old, he could broom off our
driveway in under 5 minutes, and it was 2 cars wide, 50 feet long.

Maybe this is why we're a nation of fatsos. Too lazy to lift a broom.

You'd really love me. I don't own a gas blower, so I use the tractor to
blow the grass clippings that find their way on the driveway. But at a
length of over 50 feet and wide enough to do a U-turn in, not including
the drive which goes around back to the "big" garage, it's a bit of
asphalt to clear.

"there isn't a job that can't be made better with power tools"

Dave

swatcop wrote:

Looking for a little bit of direction here. I've been recently assigned to
my department's Marine Unit. I've been a cop for 15 years. I lived in NJ at
the shore around boats most of my life, but never owned one. I rarely even
went out on boats except for fishing or waterskiing. I moved to Florida in
late 2000, and I'm still working as a cop (just in a nicer place). As a
result of some administrative changes in my department, I was assigned to
the Marine Unit. I've completed the necessary training and such, but one
thing is lacking: experience. I'll try to get to the point - I'm open for
comments and opinions. I know what the law says, and I know what my job is,
but I try to use more common sense than what the law may actually say in
black & white. What do you (as boaters) feel the most important issues are
for the Police to deal with on the water? Would you like to see more O.U.I.
enforcement? More vessel stops for no wake zone infractions? More safety
inspections? More after dark patrols of inlets, channels, and harbor areas?
You tell me. I'm asking for your honest opinions here. As a rule I use more
common sense than anything on the job. I treat people fairly, and as a
result I rarely ever have to appear in court. I would like to do the same on
the water. Here's your chance to make a difference, because I will take
every opinion into consideration. Thanks for your help.


My Advice; Know the law, and how it applies to the water. If someone is
clearly violating the law, then do what is necessary.

Do not become entangled in the politics of opinion which divides the
various boating groups.

Remember what's one man's annoyance is another's extreme pleasure.
Jetski's are a common example of what is considered annoying by many
people. But while people complain about jetskis remaining in the same
general area, it is generally not unlawful for them to do so, despite
how it makes some other people feel. Same thing goes for fishermen who
complain about the wakes of skiboats and other transients. There should
be no expectation of glass smooth water when there are boats in the
area, and everyone has to be cognizant of the risks, and deal with the
conditions accordingly. Don't expect other people to know exactly what
everyone else is doing. There is a fine line between negligent operation
and a normal day on the water, when there are a bunch of boats all
plying the same waterway, looking for different pleasures.

Dave

Doug Kanter wrote:

"Clams Canino" wrote in message
news:4uNCb.533010$HS4.4073001@attbi_s01...


Speaking of the ramp, I don't know how enforcable it is (perhaps via
loitering laws hehe) but some of the idiots that tie up / slow down the
ramps need a ticket for *something* LOL.


I know what you mean. There's a whole list of behaviors which fall into the
category of "general lack of consideration", like warming up your 17 year
old Chevy Blazer for 20 minutes right outside your neighbor's open window,
because you think them darn EPA hippies are wrong about fumes being bad for
you.

At one of our local ramps, there's some sort of unofficial thing that goes
on. Officially, they have nubile babes collecting the ramp fee. And
officially, boaters are "advised" by 2-3 old guys who look like they spent
the last 6 months in a life raft. Mostly, they spend their time reminding
the illiterate that ramps are designated for "in" or "out" depending on
traffic, and that the "IN" and "OUT" signs mean (quizzically) "In" or "Out".
UNofficially, these old guys are usually accompanied by equally ancient
buddies who hang around helping kids with bait, or showing newbies how to
operate a cleat. You can sort of tell who's who by the presence or absence
of polo shirts with the township's emblem. ANYWAY....this crew of life raft
veterans does a good job of mildly embarrassing morons at the ramp. Imagine
Don Rickles, toned down by 50%.

My first time at the ramp, this young woman backs her PWC into the water and
ties it up right at the bottom of the ramp. Why move it down to the end so
someone else could launch while you park, especially since there were 30
cars waiting. She parks her car and sits in it for about 5 minutes doing
something to her hair. Meanwhile, nobody can move. One of the old guys yells
to her "Are you gonna get a manicure too, 'cause there are people waiting
but I could see if they'll come back tomorrow". Needless to say, she ended
her beauty parlor routine instantly. You can't argue with a 100 year old man
who obviously knows what he's talking about. :-) There was much laughter
from the waiting cars.

Other nonsense: Signs all over the parking area say "Boaters Only - Vehicles
Without Trailers Will Be Ticketed". All day long, people come up to the
booth and ask the attendant "Do ya think I'll really get a ticket? I don't
have a trailer". Sometimes they approach the cop who's writing tickets and
ask if they can just park for a couple of hours without getting a ticket.
:-)

I really want to make a movie about this stuff. I need a catchy title. The
dumbest people will be featured in the movie without their permission.
Especially the monkeys who, on a really busy afternoon, let their 4 kids run
up and down the dock with fishing poles while other boaters are scrambling
to get in or out and make way for the next person. Or, the knuckleheads who
need help docking on a windy day, and when they toss you their line, it's
always 2 feet shorter than the distance from the boat to the dock. Wouldn't
want to buy a 15 ft rope when a 3 footer will work just as well. Sort of.
:-)


These, and other reasons are why I've started boating on weekdays.....

Dave

Clams Canino wrote:

Hi!

This might parrot what others said, but in my opinon the more you can hound
wreckless jet-ski's the better.

Why? Unless they are breaking a definite law, they have the same right
to be on the water as anyone else, regardless of how they may "annoy"
someone.



hehe And then of course wreckless boaters
in general.

OUI is important too, but use your head. A couple guys out in a rowboat with
a 5hp Jonnyrude, fishing, with a 12 pack in the cooler ain't the real big
problem, it's the speedboats with intoxicated operators that think they're
Mario Andretti. LOL.

If the guy in the rowboat with the 5HP engine puts in in a large bay
like the Chesapeake, which is home to megayachts, commercial ships, and
wind swept chop, then his judgement is impared.

Intoxicated operators is a no-brainer, but why the beef with speedboats?
I, like many performance boaters, like things in the fast lane. There
are many myths proliferated relating to operation at speed. Most are a
bunch of hot air.



Equipment checks are a good way to "bust balls" of someone you stopped for
operation. But to stop people *just* to do equipment checks is annoying as
all hell. There's enough strange operatoin out there to keep you busy.

Busting "balls" is one way to kindle resentment.


And as a personal favor. grin Older couples often don't have an extra
person to "spot" for the skiier.Yes, I know the law (in most states)
requires a spotter, but it's often just me and my wife. So I put a rearview
mirror on the boat and call the German shepard my spotter. A warning will do
just fine - as we're at least *trying* to get it right with the mirror.
Sometimes you just can't find a spotter without kidnapping someone - a worse
crime. Don't make me have to get a blow up doll.grin

My daughter is now becoming old enough to function as a spotter. So this
summer should see a resumption in my skiing and tubing activities. That
is, if the muscles in my back and legs can take it.....

Dave

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...


Maybe this is why we're a nation of fatsos. Too lazy to lift a broom.

You'd really love me. I don't own a gas blower, so I use the tractor to
blow the grass clippings that find their way on the driveway. But at a
length of over 50 feet and wide enough to do a U-turn in, not including
the drive which goes around back to the "big" garage, it's a bit of
asphalt to clear.

I'm not the least bit surprised.

"Dave Hall" wrote in message

Intoxicated operators is a no-brainer, but why the beef with speedboats?
I, like many performance boaters, like things in the fast lane. There
are many myths proliferated relating to operation at speed. Most are a
bunch of hot air.

I dissagree. Alcohol slows reaction time. The faster the boat, the more that
reaction time comes into play. My boat is plenty fast, and you won't find
me out on a busy lake with any measurable B.A.C.

The guy with the duel 454's and duel martini's scares me a *lot* more than
the dood with a rowboat and duel six-packs. My cousin was *killed* when a
hotboat overtook him from the rear and drove up over his stern. It's a fact
of math that more HP plus more alcohol = more risk.

(Now if I'm up at Charlies for the weekend, we might go out for a late night
"booze cruise" where we TROLL out to the middle of the lake, in sight of
camp, turn up the CD player and do some pretty serious drinking and then
TROLL back to the dock at 3am. Legal - no, but there's no boat traffic (or
Marine patroll) at 3am. The only thing that ever scared us was the sound of
a boat approaching fast at WOT at 2am, I looked at Charlie and said "if he's
as drunk as we are - that ******* could plow right into us" We started
blinking our lights and stuff to make sure we were seen. )

I don't have a beef with speedboats - I *like* hotboats and am a paid member
over at the Scream & Fly boards. I don't like boats going fast with
impaired operators. And I don't feel threatened by a little rowboat with a
trolling motor. I don't feel real threatened by those "party barges" either,
though some of them are starting to get way too much HP on the back.

I don't fish much, but all I'm saying is that (in my opinion) people that
troll, fish, and drink aren't the real problem out there - as compared to
people that drink and go fast - or drink and pull rope-toys.

If I see a guy in a rowboat with a pole and a beer I'd be likely to go by
and say "catch anything much today?" If I see a speedboat with an operator
with a beer I'd be likely to say "so how many beers you had today?" it's
called *discretion*.

-W

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
Clams Canino wrote:

Hi!

This might parrot what others said, but in my opinon the more you can
hound
wreckless jet-ski's the better.

Why? Unless they are breaking a definite law, they have the same right
to be on the water as anyone else, regardless of how they may "annoy"
someone.

Sometimes they have miles of water to play in, but they congregate around
anchored boats whose owners simply want a little peace and quiet. They may
not be breaking a law by doing that, but it's absolutely obnoxious. There's
nothing wrong with a cop teaching them some manners, since their parents
obviously forgot. You know this. Stop baiting the assembled audience.


If the guy in the rowboat with the 5HP engine puts in in a large bay
like the Chesapeake, which is home to megayachts, commercial ships, and
wind swept chop, then his judgement is impared.

If the guy in the small boat plants himself near a channel, he's made a
choice. If he plants himself miles from a channel and some asshole in a 50
ft boat chooses to come within 200 ft and throw an enormous wake, it's
obnoxious. Again, there's nothing wrong with a cop pulling him over for a
little chat. You know this. Stop baiting the assembled audience.


Intoxicated operators is a no-brainer, but why the beef with speedboats?
I, like many performance boaters, like things in the fast lane. There
are many myths proliferated relating to operation at speed. Most are a
bunch of hot air.

Like jetski operators, speedboats sometimes they have miles of water to play
in, but they congregate around anchored boats whose owners simply want a
little peace and quiet. They may not be breaking a law by doing that, but
it's absolutely obnoxious. Some people go boating for the quiet. Some people
go boating for the excitement. They have to allow for each other. You know
this. Stop baiting the assembled audience.

It's interesting, isn't it? This is such a simple thing that I can use most
of the same words to help you in all 3 cases.