On 3/15/21 2:05 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 22:10:53 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/14/21 9:24 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 16:40:21 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/14/21 2:10 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 13:16:52 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 23:52:27 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 11:41:03 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 10:12:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/12/21 10:00 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 20:56:32 -0500, Alex wrote:

wrote:
They lowered the age requirement in our state, so my wife and I were able to get our vaccines on Tuesday of this week. The local appointments were taken, but I was able to get us in at a Walgreens Pharmacy about an hour away.

Yesterday I had a slightly sore arm, a dull headache and felt a little funky. Today I feel fine. My wife just had a sore arm but it's still with her, and is apparently worse than mine was.

The second dose is coming up the first week of April. I'm ready to get it done and over with.

Got my first Pfizer shot today about 10 hours ago.Â* So far, so good.

Lee County sent me an Email a couple days ago and asked if I still
needed my shot so I may be getting close. I hope it doesn't make me
sick. I don't have time for that ****. These people would starve.


I've had both Moderna shots. First one just gave me a bit of soreness in
the upper arm at the vacc site. Second one made me a little drowsy for a
day. Wife felt a bit nauseous for a day after second shot. It's been
almost two weeks since my second shot. No lasting side effects. Still
masking up when we go out, keeping away from other peeps, sanitizing our
hands with the spray bottles we keep with us, and washing our hands when
we get home. I visit the supermarket when needed between 7 and 8 am,
when it is least crowded. We did visit a local Thai restaurant this past
week; tables were at least 10' apart.

If you are still acting like you did last year, why bother with the
shot?

===

The shots are not infallible, about 95% effective for the Moderna and
Pfizer. That certainly improves your safety a great deal but we're
not totally out of the woods until some large percentage of the
population gets vaccinated. That's not going to happen until May/June
at best. Until then it pays to take reasonable precautions.

Using that logic, it will never be safe because a third of the country
may never get vaccinated.
How much are you going to give up to keep them safe?

===

67% would be a huge improvement from where we are now and would
greatly reduce the risk for people who *are* vaccinated. Of the 33%
who aren't, some will eventually fall into line, and some will
contract Covid. Of those who contract Covid, some will acquire
immunity that way, and others will eliminate themselves from the gene
pool. I think that eventually "proof of vaccination" will become a
common requirement for many activities, just like proof of small pox
vaccination was common 70 years ago.


Fretwell's naive libertarianism is creeping out. I agree that proof of
vaccination should be a requirement.

This is strange from a guy who thinks proof of citizenship shouldn't
be necessary to vote. It is harder to check out a library book than it
is to vote.
BTW it is going to be your liberal friends at the ACLU that fights a
Covid ID law. Blacks and Latinos are some of the strongest opponents
to this vaccine. They keep pointing out Tuskegee.


This is not a Tuskegee offense. We want everyone vaccinated. Even
libertarians.

You are not trying to convince me. I am just repeating things I hear
people of color say on TV.
I would get the shot if they made it easy. I knew this was going to be
a cluster****. We trusted the government to do it.


The "government" did a fine job for me. It announced an internet and
phone sign up system, I logged on, got an appointment, got vaccinated. I
assume as soon as the shots are in plentiful supply and don't need
special refrigeration (the next generation for all of them), it'll be a
walk-in to your local pharmacy, as it is for many other vaccinations.
Don't want to get vaccinated? Stay the **** home...

--
* Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. *

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/15/21 2:02 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 22:09:38 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/14/21 9:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 14:10:33 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 13:16:52 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 23:52:27 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 11:41:03 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 10:12:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/12/21 10:00 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 20:56:32 -0500, Alex wrote:

wrote:
They lowered the age requirement in our state, so my wife and
I were able to get our vaccines on Tuesday of this week. The
local appointments were taken, but I was able to get us in at a Walgreens
Pharmacy about an hour away.

Yesterday I had a slightly sore arm, a dull headache and felt
a little funky. Today I feel fine. My wife just had a sore
arm but it's still with her, and is apparently worse than mine was.

The second dose is coming up the first week of April. I'm
ready to get it done and over with.

Got my first Pfizer shot today about 10 hours ago.Â* So far, so good.

Lee County sent me an Email a couple days ago and asked if I still
needed my shot so I may be getting close. I hope it doesn't make me
sick. I don't have time for that ****. These people would starve.


I've had both Moderna shots. First one just gave me a bit of soreness in
the upper arm at the vacc site. Second one made me a little drowsy for a
day. Wife felt a bit nauseous for a day after second shot. It's been
almost two weeks since my second shot. No lasting side effects. Still
masking up when we go out, keeping away from other peeps, sanitizing our
hands with the spray bottles we keep with us, and washing our hands when
we get home. I visit the supermarket when needed between 7 and 8 am,
when it is least crowded. We did visit a local Thai restaurant this past
week; tables were at least 10' apart.

If you are still acting like you did last year, why bother with the
shot?

===

The shots are not infallible, about 95% effective for the Moderna and
Pfizer. That certainly improves your safety a great deal but we're
not totally out of the woods until some large percentage of the
population gets vaccinated. That's not going to happen until May/June
at best. Until then it pays to take reasonable precautions.

Using that logic, it will never be safe because a third of the country
may never get vaccinated.
How much are you going to give up to keep them safe?

===

67% would be a huge improvement from where we are now and would
greatly reduce the risk for people who *are* vaccinated. Of the 33%
who aren't, some will eventually fall into line, and some will
contract Covid. Of those who contract Covid, some will acquire
immunity that way, and others will eliminate themselves from the gene
pool. I think that eventually "proof of vaccination" will become a
common requirement for many activities, just like proof of small pox
vaccination was common 70 years ago.

CDC reports that 20% have had at least one shot and about 12% have had
both (or the JJ)
Considering they are not planning to do the kids until they do more
studies and pregnant women may want to avoid it, that is actually a
higher number of eligible people.

I got an Email from the county saying my name came up for the shot at
RSW but when I tried to schedule it they said they were sold out until
April. I guess I am just going to die ;-)

As for the Covid passport, I doubt we will put up with the stuff they
did 70 years ago.


What stuff was that?

Warrantless wire taps, Prayer in school, Cops beating a confession out
of you without allowing you to call a lawyer, Dress Codes, Jim Crow.
Take your pick. The government defined personal freedoms down in the
40s and 50s.
We started to assert personal rights in the 60s and we have come a
long way on a lot of fronts. We are right to buck when they start
infringing on freedom ... even if it is the freedom to kill yourself
doing dumb ****.


And freedom from having to be near disease carriers who refuse
vaccinations.


Maybe it will be he new Darwin.

On 3/15/21 12:38 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/15/21 2:02 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 22:09:38 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/14/21 9:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 14:10:33 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 13:16:52 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 23:52:27 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 11:41:03 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 10:12:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/12/21 10:00 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 20:56:32 -0500, Alex wrote:

wrote:
They lowered the age requirement in our state, so my wife and
I were able to get our vaccines on Tuesday of this week. The
local appointments were taken, but I was able to get us in at a Walgreens
Pharmacy about an hour away.

Yesterday I had a slightly sore arm, a dull headache and felt
a little funky. Today I feel fine. My wife just had a sore
arm but it's still with her, and is apparently worse than mine was.

The second dose is coming up the first week of April. I'm
ready to get it done and over with.

Got my first Pfizer shot today about 10 hours ago.Â* So far, so good.

Lee County sent me an Email a couple days ago and asked if I still
needed my shot so I may be getting close. I hope it doesn't make me
sick. I don't have time for that ****. These people would starve.


I've had both Moderna shots. First one just gave me a bit of soreness in
the upper arm at the vacc site. Second one made me a little drowsy for a
day. Wife felt a bit nauseous for a day after second shot. It's been
almost two weeks since my second shot. No lasting side effects. Still
masking up when we go out, keeping away from other peeps, sanitizing our
hands with the spray bottles we keep with us, and washing our hands when
we get home. I visit the supermarket when needed between 7 and 8 am,
when it is least crowded. We did visit a local Thai restaurant this past
week; tables were at least 10' apart.

If you are still acting like you did last year, why bother with the
shot?

===

The shots are not infallible, about 95% effective for the Moderna and
Pfizer. That certainly improves your safety a great deal but we're
not totally out of the woods until some large percentage of the
population gets vaccinated. That's not going to happen until May/June
at best. Until then it pays to take reasonable precautions.

Using that logic, it will never be safe because a third of the country
may never get vaccinated.
How much are you going to give up to keep them safe?

===

67% would be a huge improvement from where we are now and would
greatly reduce the risk for people who *are* vaccinated. Of the 33%
who aren't, some will eventually fall into line, and some will
contract Covid. Of those who contract Covid, some will acquire
immunity that way, and others will eliminate themselves from the gene
pool. I think that eventually "proof of vaccination" will become a
common requirement for many activities, just like proof of small pox
vaccination was common 70 years ago.

CDC reports that 20% have had at least one shot and about 12% have had
both (or the JJ)
Considering they are not planning to do the kids until they do more
studies and pregnant women may want to avoid it, that is actually a
higher number of eligible people.

I got an Email from the county saying my name came up for the shot at
RSW but when I tried to schedule it they said they were sold out until
April. I guess I am just going to die ;-)

As for the Covid passport, I doubt we will put up with the stuff they
did 70 years ago.


What stuff was that?

Warrantless wire taps, Prayer in school, Cops beating a confession out
of you without allowing you to call a lawyer, Dress Codes, Jim Crow.
Take your pick. The government defined personal freedoms down in the
40s and 50s.
We started to assert personal rights in the 60s and we have come a
long way on a lot of fronts. We are right to buck when they start
infringing on freedom ... even if it is the freedom to kill yourself
doing dumb ****.


And freedom from having to be near disease carriers who refuse
vaccinations.


Maybe it will be he new Darwin.


Those who refuse to get vaccinated should infect each other, die, and
thereby improve the gene pool. Apparently that will be going on in
Florida the next two weeks at the beachfront areas...Spring Break.

--
* Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. *

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/15/21 12:38 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/15/21 2:02 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 22:09:38 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/14/21 9:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 14:10:33 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 13:16:52 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 23:52:27 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 11:41:03 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 10:12:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/12/21 10:00 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 20:56:32 -0500, Alex wrote:

wrote:
They lowered the age requirement in our state, so my wife and
I were able to get our vaccines on Tuesday of this week. The
local appointments were taken, but I was able to get us in at a Walgreens
Pharmacy about an hour away.

Yesterday I had a slightly sore arm, a dull headache and felt
a little funky. Today I feel fine. My wife just had a sore
arm but it's still with her, and is apparently worse than mine was.

The second dose is coming up the first week of April. I'm
ready to get it done and over with.

Got my first Pfizer shot today about 10 hours ago.Â* So far, so good.

Lee County sent me an Email a couple days ago and asked if I still
needed my shot so I may be getting close. I hope it doesn't make me
sick. I don't have time for that ****. These people would starve.


I've had both Moderna shots. First one just gave me a bit of soreness in
the upper arm at the vacc site. Second one made me a little drowsy for a
day. Wife felt a bit nauseous for a day after second shot. It's been
almost two weeks since my second shot. No lasting side effects. Still
masking up when we go out, keeping away from other peeps, sanitizing our
hands with the spray bottles we keep with us, and washing our hands when
we get home. I visit the supermarket when needed between 7 and 8 am,
when it is least crowded. We did visit a local Thai restaurant this past
week; tables were at least 10' apart.

If you are still acting like you did last year, why bother with the
shot?

===

The shots are not infallible, about 95% effective for the Moderna and
Pfizer. That certainly improves your safety a great deal but we're
not totally out of the woods until some large percentage of the
population gets vaccinated. That's not going to happen until May/June
at best. Until then it pays to take reasonable precautions.

Using that logic, it will never be safe because a third of the country
may never get vaccinated.
How much are you going to give up to keep them safe?

===

67% would be a huge improvement from where we are now and would
greatly reduce the risk for people who *are* vaccinated. Of the 33%
who aren't, some will eventually fall into line, and some will
contract Covid. Of those who contract Covid, some will acquire
immunity that way, and others will eliminate themselves from the gene
pool. I think that eventually "proof of vaccination" will become a
common requirement for many activities, just like proof of small pox
vaccination was common 70 years ago.

CDC reports that 20% have had at least one shot and about 12% have had
both (or the JJ)
Considering they are not planning to do the kids until they do more
studies and pregnant women may want to avoid it, that is actually a
higher number of eligible people.

I got an Email from the county saying my name came up for the shot at
RSW but when I tried to schedule it they said they were sold out until
April. I guess I am just going to die ;-)

As for the Covid passport, I doubt we will put up with the stuff they
did 70 years ago.


What stuff was that?

Warrantless wire taps, Prayer in school, Cops beating a confession out
of you without allowing you to call a lawyer, Dress Codes, Jim Crow.
Take your pick. The government defined personal freedoms down in the
40s and 50s.
We started to assert personal rights in the 60s and we have come a
long way on a lot of fronts. We are right to buck when they start
infringing on freedom ... even if it is the freedom to kill yourself
doing dumb ****.


And freedom from having to be near disease carriers who refuse
vaccinations.


Maybe it will be he new Darwin.


Those who refuse to get vaccinated should infect each other, die, and
thereby improve the gene pool. Apparently that will be going on in
Florida the next two weeks at the beachfront areas...Spring Break.


And I doubt it will be residents of Florida mostly.

On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 12:44:26 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/15/21 12:38 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/15/21 2:02 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 22:09:38 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/14/21 9:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 14:10:33 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 13:16:52 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 23:52:27 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 11:41:03 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 10:12:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/12/21 10:00 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 20:56:32 -0500, Alex wrote:

wrote:
They lowered the age requirement in our state, so my wife and
I were able to get our vaccines on Tuesday of this week. The
local appointments were taken, but I was able to get us in at a Walgreens
Pharmacy about an hour away.

Yesterday I had a slightly sore arm, a dull headache and felt
a little funky. Today I feel fine. My wife just had a sore
arm but it's still with her, and is apparently worse than mine was.

The second dose is coming up the first week of April. I'm
ready to get it done and over with.

Got my first Pfizer shot today about 10 hours ago. So far, so good.

Lee County sent me an Email a couple days ago and asked if I still
needed my shot so I may be getting close. I hope it doesn't make me
sick. I don't have time for that ****. These people would starve.


I've had both Moderna shots. First one just gave me a bit of soreness in
the upper arm at the vacc site. Second one made me a little drowsy for a
day. Wife felt a bit nauseous for a day after second shot. It's been
almost two weeks since my second shot. No lasting side effects.. Still
masking up when we go out, keeping away from other peeps, sanitizing our
hands with the spray bottles we keep with us, and washing our hands when
we get home. I visit the supermarket when needed between 7 and 8 am,
when it is least crowded. We did visit a local Thai restaurant this past
week; tables were at least 10' apart.

If you are still acting like you did last year, why bother with the
shot?

===

The shots are not infallible, about 95% effective for the Moderna and
Pfizer. That certainly improves your safety a great deal but we're
not totally out of the woods until some large percentage of the
population gets vaccinated. That's not going to happen until May/June
at best. Until then it pays to take reasonable precautions.

Using that logic, it will never be safe because a third of the country
may never get vaccinated.
How much are you going to give up to keep them safe?

===

67% would be a huge improvement from where we are now and would
greatly reduce the risk for people who *are* vaccinated. Of the 33%
who aren't, some will eventually fall into line, and some will
contract Covid. Of those who contract Covid, some will acquire
immunity that way, and others will eliminate themselves from the gene
pool. I think that eventually "proof of vaccination" will become a
common requirement for many activities, just like proof of small pox
vaccination was common 70 years ago.

CDC reports that 20% have had at least one shot and about 12% have had
both (or the JJ)
Considering they are not planning to do the kids until they do more
studies and pregnant women may want to avoid it, that is actually a
higher number of eligible people.

I got an Email from the county saying my name came up for the shot at
RSW but when I tried to schedule it they said they were sold out until
April. I guess I am just going to die ;-)

As for the Covid passport, I doubt we will put up with the stuff they
did 70 years ago.


What stuff was that?

Warrantless wire taps, Prayer in school, Cops beating a confession out
of you without allowing you to call a lawyer, Dress Codes, Jim Crow.
Take your pick. The government defined personal freedoms down in the
40s and 50s.
We started to assert personal rights in the 60s and we have come a
long way on a lot of fronts. We are right to buck when they start
infringing on freedom ... even if it is the freedom to kill yourself
doing dumb ****.


And freedom from having to be near disease carriers who refuse
vaccinations.


Maybe it will be he new Darwin.

Those who refuse to get vaccinated should infect each other, die, and
thereby improve the gene pool. Apparently that will be going on in
Florida the next two weeks at the beachfront areas...Spring Break.

You're wishing death on all those liberal arts students?

On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 02:05:38 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 22:10:53 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/14/21 9:24 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 16:40:21 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/14/21 2:10 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 13:16:52 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 23:52:27 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 11:41:03 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 10:12:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/12/21 10:00 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 20:56:32 -0500, Alex wrote:

wrote:
They lowered the age requirement in our state, so my wife and I were able to get our vaccines on Tuesday of this week. The local appointments were taken, but I was able to get us in at a Walgreens Pharmacy about an hour away.

Yesterday I had a slightly sore arm, a dull headache and felt a little funky. Today I feel fine. My wife just had a sore arm but it's still with her, and is apparently worse than mine was.

The second dose is coming up the first week of April. I'm ready to get it done and over with.

Got my first Pfizer shot today about 10 hours ago.* So far, so good.

Lee County sent me an Email a couple days ago and asked if I still
needed my shot so I may be getting close. I hope it doesn't make me
sick. I don't have time for that ****. These people would starve.


I've had both Moderna shots. First one just gave me a bit of soreness in
the upper arm at the vacc site. Second one made me a little drowsy for a
day. Wife felt a bit nauseous for a day after second shot. It's been
almost two weeks since my second shot. No lasting side effects. Still
masking up when we go out, keeping away from other peeps, sanitizing our
hands with the spray bottles we keep with us, and washing our hands when
we get home. I visit the supermarket when needed between 7 and 8 am,
when it is least crowded. We did visit a local Thai restaurant this past
week; tables were at least 10' apart.

If you are still acting like you did last year, why bother with the
shot?

===

The shots are not infallible, about 95% effective for the Moderna and
Pfizer. That certainly improves your safety a great deal but we're
not totally out of the woods until some large percentage of the
population gets vaccinated. That's not going to happen until May/June
at best. Until then it pays to take reasonable precautions.

Using that logic, it will never be safe because a third of the country
may never get vaccinated.
How much are you going to give up to keep them safe?

===

67% would be a huge improvement from where we are now and would
greatly reduce the risk for people who *are* vaccinated. Of the 33%
who aren't, some will eventually fall into line, and some will
contract Covid. Of those who contract Covid, some will acquire
immunity that way, and others will eliminate themselves from the gene
pool. I think that eventually "proof of vaccination" will become a
common requirement for many activities, just like proof of small pox
vaccination was common 70 years ago.


Fretwell's naive libertarianism is creeping out. I agree that proof of
vaccination should be a requirement.

This is strange from a guy who thinks proof of citizenship shouldn't
be necessary to vote. It is harder to check out a library book than it
is to vote.
BTW it is going to be your liberal friends at the ACLU that fights a
Covid ID law. Blacks and Latinos are some of the strongest opponents
to this vaccine. They keep pointing out Tuskegee.


This is not a Tuskegee offense. We want everyone vaccinated. Even
libertarians.

You are not trying to convince me. I am just repeating things I hear
people of color say on TV.
I would get the shot if they made it easy. I knew this was going to be
a cluster****. We trusted the government to do it.

You were spoofed!
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 11:03:08 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 12:44:26 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/15/21 12:38 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/15/21 2:02 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 22:09:38 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/14/21 9:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 14:10:33 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 13:16:52 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 23:52:27 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 11:41:03 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 10:12:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/12/21 10:00 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 20:56:32 -0500, Alex wrote:

wrote:
They lowered the age requirement in our state, so my wife and
I were able to get our vaccines on Tuesday of this week. The
local appointments were taken, but I was able to get us in at a Walgreens
Pharmacy about an hour away.

Yesterday I had a slightly sore arm, a dull headache and felt
a little funky. Today I feel fine. My wife just had a sore
arm but it's still with her, and is apparently worse than mine was.

The second dose is coming up the first week of April. I'm
ready to get it done and over with.

Got my first Pfizer shot today about 10 hours ago. So far, so good.

Lee County sent me an Email a couple days ago and asked if I still
needed my shot so I may be getting close. I hope it doesn't make me
sick. I don't have time for that ****. These people would starve.


I've had both Moderna shots. First one just gave me a bit of soreness in
the upper arm at the vacc site. Second one made me a little drowsy for a
day. Wife felt a bit nauseous for a day after second shot. It's been
almost two weeks since my second shot. No lasting side effects. Still
masking up when we go out, keeping away from other peeps, sanitizing our
hands with the spray bottles we keep with us, and washing our hands when
we get home. I visit the supermarket when needed between 7 and 8 am,
when it is least crowded. We did visit a local Thai restaurant this past
week; tables were at least 10' apart.

If you are still acting like you did last year, why bother with the
shot?

===

The shots are not infallible, about 95% effective for the Moderna and
Pfizer. That certainly improves your safety a great deal but we're
not totally out of the woods until some large percentage of the
population gets vaccinated. That's not going to happen until May/June
at best. Until then it pays to take reasonable precautions.

Using that logic, it will never be safe because a third of the country
may never get vaccinated.
How much are you going to give up to keep them safe?

===

67% would be a huge improvement from where we are now and would
greatly reduce the risk for people who *are* vaccinated. Of the 33%
who aren't, some will eventually fall into line, and some will
contract Covid. Of those who contract Covid, some will acquire
immunity that way, and others will eliminate themselves from the gene
pool. I think that eventually "proof of vaccination" will become a
common requirement for many activities, just like proof of small pox
vaccination was common 70 years ago.

CDC reports that 20% have had at least one shot and about 12% have had
both (or the JJ)
Considering they are not planning to do the kids until they do more
studies and pregnant women may want to avoid it, that is actually a
higher number of eligible people.

I got an Email from the county saying my name came up for the shot at
RSW but when I tried to schedule it they said they were sold out until
April. I guess I am just going to die ;-)

As for the Covid passport, I doubt we will put up with the stuff they
did 70 years ago.


What stuff was that?

Warrantless wire taps, Prayer in school, Cops beating a confession out
of you without allowing you to call a lawyer, Dress Codes, Jim Crow.
Take your pick. The government defined personal freedoms down in the
40s and 50s.
We started to assert personal rights in the 60s and we have come a
long way on a lot of fronts. We are right to buck when they start
infringing on freedom ... even if it is the freedom to kill yourself
doing dumb ****.


And freedom from having to be near disease carriers who refuse
vaccinations.


Maybe it will be he new Darwin.

Those who refuse to get vaccinated should infect each other, die, and
thereby improve the gene pool. Apparently that will be going on in
Florida the next two weeks at the beachfront areas...Spring Break.

You're wishing death on all those liberal arts students?

What's your point? heh
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On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 22:53:01 -0700, John wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 23:52:32 -0500, Alex wrote:

John wrote:
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 20:56:32 -0500, Alex wrote:

wrote:
They lowered the age requirement in our state, so my wife and I were able to get our vaccines on Tuesday of this week. The local appointments were taken, but I was able to get us in at a Walgreens Pharmacy about an hour away.

Yesterday I had a slightly sore arm, a dull headache and felt a little funky. Today I feel fine. My wife just had a sore arm but it's still with her, and is apparently worse than mine was.

The second dose is coming up the first week of April. I'm ready to get it done and over with.
Got my first Pfizer shot today about 10 hours ago.* So far, so good.
It was the next day that had me down!
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One your 2nd shot?* I was up late so I slept in until 9 and went about
my business without any problem.* Like I posted earlier, my arm had some
tenderness but about the same as the flu shot.

You've been spoofed.

You've been spoofed!
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Keyser Söze Wrote in message:r
On 3/15/21 12:38 PM, Bill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/15/21 2:02 AM, wrote: On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 22:09:38 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/14/21 9:20 PM, wrote: On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 14:10:33 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 13:16:52 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 23:52:27 -0500, Wayne B wrote: On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 11:41:03 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 10:12:42 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/12/21 10:00 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 20:56:32 -0500, Alex wrote: wrote: They lowered the age requirement in our state, so my wife and I were able to get our vaccines on Tuesday of this week. The local appointments were taken, but I was able to get us in at a Walgreens Pharmacy about an hour away. Yesterday I had a slightly sore arm, a dull headache and felt a little funky. Today I feel fine. My wife just had a sore arm but it's still with her, and is apparently worse than mine was. The second dose is coming up the first week of April. I'm ready to get it done and over with. Got my first Pfizer shot today about 10 hours ago. So far, so good. Lee County sent me an Email a couple days ago and asked if I still needed my shot so I may be getting close. I hope it doesn't make me sick. I don't have time for that ****. These people would starve. I've had both Moderna shots. First one just gave me a bit of soreness in the upper arm at the vacc site. Second one made me a little drowsy for a day. Wife felt a bit nauseous for a day after second shot. It's been almost two weeks since my second shot. No lasting side effects. Still masking up when we go out, keeping away from other peeps, sanitizing our hands with the spray bottles we keep with us, and washing our hands when we get home. I visit the supermarket when needed between 7 and 8 am, when it is least crowded. We did visit a local Thai restaurant this past week; tables were at least 10' apart. If you are still acting like you did last year, why bother with the shot? === The shots are not infallible, about 95% effective for the Moderna and Pfizer. That certainly improves your safety a great deal but we're not totally out of the woods until some large percentage of the population gets vaccinated. That's not going to happen until May/June at best. Until then it pays to take reasonable precautions. Using that logic, it will never be safe because a third of the country may never get vaccinated. How much are you going to give up to keep them safe? === 67% would be a huge improvement from where we are now and would greatly reduce the risk for people who *are* vaccinated. Of the 33% who aren't, some will eventually fall into line, and some will contract Covid. Of those who contract Covid, some will acquire immunity that way, and others will eliminate themselves from the gene pool. I think that eventually "proof of vaccination" will become a common requirement for many activities, just like proof of small pox vaccination was common 70 years ago. CDC reports that 20% have had at least one shot and about 12% have had both (or the JJ) Considering they are not planning to do the kids until they do more studies and pregnant women may want to avoid it, that is actually a higher number of eligible people. I got an Email from the county saying my name came up for the shot at RSW but when I tried to schedule it they said they were sold out until April. I guess I am just going to die ;-) As for the Covid passport, I doubt we will put up with the stuff they did 70 years ago. What stuff was that? Warrantless wire taps, Prayer in school, Cops beating a confession out of you without allowing you to call a lawyer, Dress Codes, Jim Crow. Take your pick. The government defined personal freedoms down in the 40s and 50s. We started to assert personal rights in the 60s and we have come a long way on a lot of fronts. We are right to buck when they start infringing on freedom ... even if it is the freedom to kill yourself doing dumb ****. And freedom from having to be near disease carriers who refuse vaccinations. Maybe it will be he new Darwin. Those who refuse to get vaccinated should infect each other, die, and thereby improve the gene pool. Apparently that will be going on in Florida the next two weeks at the beachfront areas...Spring Break.-- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. *

Are you going to resist the temptation to come to Florida and
check out the underage hard bodies?
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On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 16:40:21 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/14/21 2:10 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 13:16:52 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 23:52:27 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 11:41:03 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 10:12:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/12/21 10:00 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 20:56:32 -0500, Alex wrote:

wrote:
They lowered the age requirement in our state, so my wife and I were able to get our vaccines on Tuesday of this week. The local appointments were taken, but I was able to get us in at a Walgreens Pharmacy about an hour away.

Yesterday I had a slightly sore arm, a dull headache and felt a little funky. Today I feel fine. My wife just had a sore arm but it's still with her, and is apparently worse than mine was.

The second dose is coming up the first week of April. I'm ready to get it done and over with.

Got my first Pfizer shot today about 10 hours ago.* So far, so good.

Lee County sent me an Email a couple days ago and asked if I still
needed my shot so I may be getting close. I hope it doesn't make me
sick. I don't have time for that ****. These people would starve.


I've had both Moderna shots. First one just gave me a bit of soreness in
the upper arm at the vacc site. Second one made me a little drowsy for a
day. Wife felt a bit nauseous for a day after second shot. It's been
almost two weeks since my second shot. No lasting side effects. Still
masking up when we go out, keeping away from other peeps, sanitizing our
hands with the spray bottles we keep with us, and washing our hands when
we get home. I visit the supermarket when needed between 7 and 8 am,
when it is least crowded. We did visit a local Thai restaurant this past
week; tables were at least 10' apart.

If you are still acting like you did last year, why bother with the
shot?

===

The shots are not infallible, about 95% effective for the Moderna and
Pfizer. That certainly improves your safety a great deal but we're
not totally out of the woods until some large percentage of the
population gets vaccinated. That's not going to happen until May/June
at best. Until then it pays to take reasonable precautions.

Using that logic, it will never be safe because a third of the country
may never get vaccinated.
How much are you going to give up to keep them safe?

===

67% would be a huge improvement from where we are now and would
greatly reduce the risk for people who *are* vaccinated. Of the 33%
who aren't, some will eventually fall into line, and some will
contract Covid. Of those who contract Covid, some will acquire
immunity that way, and others will eliminate themselves from the gene
pool. I think that eventually "proof of vaccination" will become a
common requirement for many activities, just like proof of small pox
vaccination was common 70 years ago.


Fretwell's naive libertarianism is creeping out. I agree that proof of
vaccination should be a requirement.

Well, if they can't get an ID card to vote, how can they possible get a
vaccination card? What a racist idea, Krause!
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