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Looks like Jose isn't very happy now,,,
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 21:35:09 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 9/19/2017 9:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/19/17 8:51 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 07:45:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: The generator burns 1-1/2 to 2-1/2 "gallons" of propane an hour, depending on the load. We do keep the load as low as possible, though, Yikes. I was complaining about 0.8 GPH. If you are happy burning 36 gallons a day and up, I will STFU. What do you pay for propane? It seems to be $2-4 a gallon here depending on some mysterious formula. A 250 gallon tank (really 200) is only going to last 5 days at the low end of usage and you could burn it in 3 days if you actually used that 17KVA Yikes! So much for the whole house generator for me. Mine did run my whole house minus the AC, dryer and water heater and I have a plan for the water heater. With a pool, the AC is not important during the day and at night my generator runs the mini split in the bedroom just fine. The last time I looked, some months ago, it was about $2.59 a gallon. Our "outages" usually last only a few hours, sometimes overnight, and typically we only get one every few months. We got the generator after a big outage that lasted a week. Our yippy-dippy local electrical co-op seems to have gotten better over the years. Or the storms have gotten smaller. If we had a four day outage, it would cost about $250 in fuel, less than we'd spend on a decent local motel, assuming we could find one that had power. You'd move into a motel because of a four day power outage if you didn't have your generator? Why? I wondered that myself but it doesn't surprise me from a city boy. I don't really prefer camping but I still know how to do it. After a week I think I can make 5.5kw work for us. It is not like we were really suffering anyway. I just had more nuisance trips than I liked. I am looking for a maintenance manual to see if there is a way to adjust the voltage, that was my other issue. |
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On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 22:48:24 -0400, wrote:
I am looking for a maintenance manual to see if there is a way to adjust the voltage, that was my other issue. === Generally if you adjust the RPMs upward a tad you will increase the voltage and frequency at the same time. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 23:34:11 -0400,
wrote: On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 22:48:24 -0400, wrote: I am looking for a maintenance manual to see if there is a way to adjust the voltage, that was my other issue. === Generally if you adjust the RPMs upward a tad you will increase the voltage and frequency at the same time. I already did that. The thing was running at 57hz. I went up one hole on the governor spring arm and got it up to 60.2 HZ but the voltage is too low. (108-110) |
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O9/20/2017 1:19 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 23:34:11 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 22:48:24 -0400, wrote: I am looking for a maintenance manual to see if there is a way to adjust the voltage, that was my other issue. === Generally if you adjust the RPMs upward a tad you will increase the voltage and frequency at the same time. I already did that. The thing was running at 57hz. I went up one hole on the governor spring arm and got it up to 60.2 HZ but the voltage is too low. (108-110) What is the voltage with no load and where are you measuring the voltage? I don't know about the contractor type generators but the inverter types like the Honda are rated at peak output wattage, not continuous duty. I think the Honda e2000 is actually rated at 1600 watts continuous. |
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On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 05:48:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: O9/20/2017 1:19 AM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 23:34:11 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 22:48:24 -0400, wrote: I am looking for a maintenance manual to see if there is a way to adjust the voltage, that was my other issue. === Generally if you adjust the RPMs upward a tad you will increase the voltage and frequency at the same time. I already did that. The thing was running at 57hz. I went up one hole on the governor spring arm and got it up to 60.2 HZ but the voltage is too low. (108-110) What is the voltage with no load and where are you measuring the voltage? I don't know about the contractor type generators but the inverter types like the Honda are rated at peak output wattage, not continuous duty. I think the Honda e2000 is actually rated at 1600 watts continuous. This is measured at the load but right at the generator it is only about a volt higher. The other thing is I have a bunch of meters and they do not agree. I am not talking about Harbor Fright meters either. This is 2 Flukes, a Weston 901 and my Kill a Watt. They all read low voltage. I haven't had time to pursue this because we are still pretty busy cleaning up here but I am not putting the generator away before I resolve it. My oven is outside and cord/plug connected so it is a convenient load to play with. I may sell this one and buy a better generator with a voltage regulator if I determine this one does not have one. (my suspicion) Contractor grade generators may be designed to run brush motors in tools so they are not really very particular about the quality of the power. I did notice some of my equipment here was not really running quite right. The UPS units were alarming occasionally, one fridge froze up and my garage door opener was flakey. It needed help opening the door (even plugged directly into the generator on a 12 ga extension cord). |
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On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:56:07 -0400, wrote:
I did notice some of my equipment here was not really running quite right. The UPS units were alarming occasionally, one fridge froze up and my garage door opener was flakey. It needed help opening the door (even plugged directly into the generator on a 12 ga extension cord). === Have you tried scoping the waveform? There might be a surprise hidden in there which could explain what you're seeing. I always lusted after those portable Tektronix units that you CEs used to lug around. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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Wrote in message:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 21:35:09 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/19/2017 9:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/19/17 8:51 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 07:45:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: The generator burns 1-1/2 to 2-1/2 "gallons" of propane an hour, depending on the load. We do keep the load as low as possible, though, Yikes. I was complaining about 0.8 GPH. If you are happy burning 36 gallons a day and up, I will STFU. What do you pay for propane? It seems to be $2-4 a gallon here depending on some mysterious formula. A 250 gallon tank (really 200) is only going to last 5 days at the low end of usage and you could burn it in 3 days if you actually used that 17KVA Yikes! So much for the whole house generator for me. Mine did run my whole house minus the AC, dryer and water heater and I have a plan for the water heater. With a pool, the AC is not important during the day and at night my generator runs the mini split in the bedroom just fine. The last time I looked, some months ago, it was about $2.59 a gallon. Our "outages" usually last only a few hours, sometimes overnight, and typically we only get one every few months. We got the generator after a big outage that lasted a week. Our yippy-dippy local electrical co-op seems to have gotten better over the years. Or the storms have gotten smaller. If we had a four day outage, it would cost about $250 in fuel, less than we'd spend on a decent local motel, assuming we could find one that had power. You'd move into a motel because of a four day power outage if you didn't have your generator? Why? I wondered that myself but it doesn't surprise me from a city boy. I don't really prefer camping but I still know how to do it. After a week I think I can make 5.5kw work for us. It is not like we were really suffering anyway. I just had more nuisance trips than I liked. I am looking for a maintenance manual to see if there is a way to adjust the voltage, that was my other issue. Might be wrong but I think you increase voltage by increasing rpm. HZ will increase along with volts. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 9/19/2017 9:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/19/17 8:51 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 07:45:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: The generator burns 1-1/2 to 2-1/2 "gallons" of propane an hour, depending on the load. We do keep the load as low as possible, though, Yikes. I was complaining about 0.8 GPH. If you are happy burning 36 gallons a day and up, I will STFU. What do you pay for propane? It seems to be $2-4 a gallon here depending on some mysterious formula. A 250 gallon tank (really 200) is only going to last 5 days at the low end of usage and you could burn it in 3 days if you actually used that 17KVA Yikes! So much for the whole house generator for me. Mine did run my whole house minus the AC, dryer and water heater and I have a plan for the water heater. With a pool, the AC is not important during the day and at night my generator runs the mini split in the bedroom just fine. The last time I looked, some months ago, it was about $2.59 a gallon. Our "outages" usually last only a few hours, sometimes overnight, and typically we only get one every few months. We got the generator after a big outage that lasted a week. Our yippy-dippy local electrical co-op seems to have gotten better over the years. Or the storms have gotten smaller. If we had a four day outage, it would cost about $250 in fuel, less than we'd spend on a decent local motel, assuming we could find one that had power. You'd move into a motel because of a four day power outage if you didn't have your generator? Why? Because he's a wuss. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/19/2017 9:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/19/17 8:51 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 07:45:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: The generator burns 1-1/2 to 2-1/2 "gallons" of propane an hour, depending on the load. We do keep the load as low as possible, though, Yikes. I was complaining about 0.8 GPH. If you are happy burning 36 gallons a day and up, I will STFU. What do you pay for propane? It seems to be $2-4 a gallon here depending on some mysterious formula. A 250 gallon tank (really 200) is only going to last 5 days at the low end of usage and you could burn it in 3 days if you actually used that 17KVA Yikes! So much for the whole house generator for me. Mine did run my wholeprofessional house minus the AC, dryer and water heater and I have a plan for the water heater. With a pool, the AC is not important during the day and w at night my generator runs the mini split in the bedroom just fine. The last time I looked, some months ago, it was about $2.59 a gallon. Our "outages" usually last only a few hours, sometimes overnight, and of personal comfort typically we only get one every few months. We got the generator after a big outage that lasted a week. Our yippy-dippy local electrical co-op seems to have gotten better over the years. Or the storms have gotten smaller. If we had a four day outage, it would cost about $250 in fuel, less than we'd spend on a decent local motel, assuming we could find one that had power. You'd move into a motel because of a four day power outage if you didn't have your generator? Why? For starters, my wife wears suits and other professional outfits to work and when she sees patients, and, like me likes to bathe at least once a day. Then there is the matter of having water to flush the toilet. Then there is the matter when it is too hot outside. And so forth. -- Posted with my iPad Pro Wuss. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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