On 4/30/2017 8:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 19:44:50 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 15:11:01 -0400, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 14:52:13 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:


I don't think you get what he's driving at.

Possibly not.

I was assuming a fire hazard. The code deals with ignition sources and
separation in a classified location. The fuel is assumed.

I suppose if I got them all greasy like Don does, then a fire hazard may exist. But they stay pretty
clean. They may get a drop or two of oil when oil gets changed, but that's about it. I doubt they're
any more flammable than the rugs in the house.



John, my comment was in response to an earlier description you posted
about the carpets in your garage where you implied that they were full
of grease and oil. My concern was about parking a car with a hot
catalytic converter (and they *do* get hot) on a greasy, oil laden
carpet. If it's just a few drops of oil, there's probably no problem.

On 4/30/17 8:57 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/30/2017 8:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 19:44:50 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 15:11:01 -0400, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 14:52:13 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:


I don't think you get what he's driving at.

Possibly not.

I was assuming a fire hazard. The code deals with ignition sources and
separation in a classified location. The fuel is assumed.

I suppose if I got them all greasy like Don does, then a fire hazard
may exist. But they stay pretty
clean. They may get a drop or two of oil when oil gets changed, but
that's about it. I doubt they're
any more flammable than the rugs in the house.



John, my comment was in response to an earlier description you posted
about the carpets in your garage where you implied that they were full
of grease and oil. My concern was about parking a car with a hot
catalytic converter (and they *do* get hot) on a greasy, oil laden
carpet. If it's just a few drops of oil, there's probably no problem.




I'm guessing he doesn't park his truck or the family subaru in that
garage, not if it is carpeted. Next time I see my dentist, I'll do a
drive by and take a peek. (not really)

On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 08:57:45 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/30/2017 8:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 19:44:50 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 15:11:01 -0400, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 14:52:13 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:


I don't think you get what he's driving at.

Possibly not.

I was assuming a fire hazard. The code deals with ignition sources and
separation in a classified location. The fuel is assumed.

I suppose if I got them all greasy like Don does, then a fire hazard may exist. But they stay pretty
clean. They may get a drop or two of oil when oil gets changed, but that's about it. I doubt they're
any more flammable than the rugs in the house.



John, my comment was in response to an earlier description you posted
about the carpets in your garage where you implied that they were full
of grease and oil. My concern was about parking a car with a hot
catalytic converter (and they *do* get hot) on a greasy, oil laden
carpet. If it's just a few drops of oil, there's probably no problem.


Yup, I went back and read my initial comments and could see where one might think the carpets were
oil saturated. No, they're fairly clean. When they get bad, they get replaced. Last time I had two
orientals in there - both from a trash pile when someone was moving. They had a few stains, but
nothing my garage couldn't handle.

When these get bad enough, I'll buy some cheap carpetting at Home Depot. Something like this will do
both sides for about $120. Well worth it.

http://tinyurl.com/l384z45

On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 09:01:06 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 4/30/17 8:57 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/30/2017 8:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 19:44:50 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 15:11:01 -0400, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 14:52:13 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:


I don't think you get what he's driving at.

Possibly not.

I was assuming a fire hazard. The code deals with ignition sources and
separation in a classified location. The fuel is assumed.

I suppose if I got them all greasy like Don does, then a fire hazard
may exist. But they stay pretty
clean. They may get a drop or two of oil when oil gets changed, but
that's about it. I doubt they're
any more flammable than the rugs in the house.



John, my comment was in response to an earlier description you posted
about the carpets in your garage where you implied that they were full
of grease and oil. My concern was about parking a car with a hot
catalytic converter (and they *do* get hot) on a greasy, oil laden
carpet. If it's just a few drops of oil, there's probably no problem.




I'm guessing he doesn't park his truck or the family subaru in that
garage, not if it is carpeted. Next time I see my dentist, I'll do a
drive by and take a peek. (not really)

Truck won't fit. But the pictures below, if this works, will show how the carpets are used. Oh,
there's also a picture of what HIV Positive looks like for comparison purposes.

http://s98.photobucket.com/user/jher...ideshow/Garage

On 4/30/2017 9:19 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 08:57:45 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/30/2017 8:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 19:44:50 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 15:11:01 -0400, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 14:52:13 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:


I don't think you get what he's driving at.

Possibly not.

I was assuming a fire hazard. The code deals with ignition sources and
separation in a classified location. The fuel is assumed.

I suppose if I got them all greasy like Don does, then a fire hazard may exist. But they stay pretty
clean. They may get a drop or two of oil when oil gets changed, but that's about it. I doubt they're
any more flammable than the rugs in the house.



John, my comment was in response to an earlier description you posted
about the carpets in your garage where you implied that they were full
of grease and oil. My concern was about parking a car with a hot
catalytic converter (and they *do* get hot) on a greasy, oil laden
carpet. If it's just a few drops of oil, there's probably no problem.


Yup, I went back and read my initial comments and could see where one might think the carpets were
oil saturated. No, they're fairly clean. When they get bad, they get replaced. Last time I had two
orientals in there - both from a trash pile when someone was moving. They had a few stains, but
nothing my garage couldn't handle.

When these get bad enough, I'll buy some cheap carpetting at Home Depot. Something like this will do
both sides for about $120. Well worth it.

http://tinyurl.com/l384z45



Doesn't apply to your use but I got an education about carpets in
general when I was renovating and setting up the larger guitar shop I
had. I ordered some "commercial grade" carpets from a local carpet
place. It was a large area to cover and the carpet required cost almost
$8K.

It had not arrived yet but I was visited by the deputy chief of the town
fire department to get an occupancy permit inspection. He asked about
the still bare, concrete flooring and I told him I had ordered carpeting
but it was not going to be installed for another week or so.
He asked me to get him a copy of the fire rating certificate that
commercial carpets are required to have. So, I called the carpet guy
and asked for the certificate. Turns out he was trying to pass off
residential grade for commercial grade and therefore couldn't provide
the required certificate. I was bull**** because we had already
scheduled an "opening day" with bands playing and other events.

Anyway, I cancelled the order, called the Home Depot and they knew
exactly what I needed along with the required certificates. They jumped
through hoops to get the carpet and installed it in time for the
opening. It was also about half the cost.

Johnny, if you're so confident everything is fine why not go ask your local fire dept if carpets on a garage floor are a good thing. I've never heard of it. Even in those garage shows they have the nice looking black and white vinyl squares.
Doctor Who used to own the house next door had a 1969 Triumph Bonville and that sure did leak on his cement garage floor.

On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 10:06:43 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/30/2017 9:19 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 08:57:45 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/30/2017 8:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 19:44:50 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 15:11:01 -0400, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 14:52:13 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:


I don't think you get what he's driving at.

Possibly not.

I was assuming a fire hazard. The code deals with ignition sources and
separation in a classified location. The fuel is assumed.

I suppose if I got them all greasy like Don does, then a fire hazard may exist. But they stay pretty
clean. They may get a drop or two of oil when oil gets changed, but that's about it. I doubt they're
any more flammable than the rugs in the house.



John, my comment was in response to an earlier description you posted
about the carpets in your garage where you implied that they were full
of grease and oil. My concern was about parking a car with a hot
catalytic converter (and they *do* get hot) on a greasy, oil laden
carpet. If it's just a few drops of oil, there's probably no problem.


Yup, I went back and read my initial comments and could see where one might think the carpets were
oil saturated. No, they're fairly clean. When they get bad, they get replaced. Last time I had two
orientals in there - both from a trash pile when someone was moving. They had a few stains, but
nothing my garage couldn't handle.

When these get bad enough, I'll buy some cheap carpetting at Home Depot. Something like this will do
both sides for about $120. Well worth it.

http://tinyurl.com/l384z45



Doesn't apply to your use but I got an education about carpets in
general when I was renovating and setting up the larger guitar shop I
had. I ordered some "commercial grade" carpets from a local carpet
place. It was a large area to cover and the carpet required cost almost
$8K.

It had not arrived yet but I was visited by the deputy chief of the town
fire department to get an occupancy permit inspection. He asked about
the still bare, concrete flooring and I told him I had ordered carpeting
but it was not going to be installed for another week or so.
He asked me to get him a copy of the fire rating certificate that
commercial carpets are required to have. So, I called the carpet guy
and asked for the certificate. Turns out he was trying to pass off
residential grade for commercial grade and therefore couldn't provide
the required certificate. I was bull**** because we had already
scheduled an "opening day" with bands playing and other events.

Anyway, I cancelled the order, called the Home Depot and they knew
exactly what I needed along with the required certificates. They jumped
through hoops to get the carpet and installed it in time for the
opening. It was also about half the cost.



Lucky the fire guy came before and not after installation!

On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 07:11:54 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Johnny, if you're so confident everything is fine why not go ask your local fire dept if carpets on a garage floor are a good thing. I've never heard of it. Even in those garage shows they have the nice looking black and white vinyl squares.
Doctor Who used to own the house next door had a 1969 Triumph Bonville and that sure did leak on his cement garage floor.


Yup, old Triumphs and Harleys did a lot of oil leaking.

Well guess what. Now you've heard of it. Been doing it for over 50 years, since I bought my first
house, except when overseas of course.

But, if it worries you, don't do it.

Poco Deplorevole
On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 07:11:54 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Johnny, if you're so confident everything is fine why not go ask your local fire dept if carpets on a garage floor are a good thing. Â*I've never heard of it. Â*Even in those garage shows they have the nice looking black and white vinyl squares.
Doctor Who used to own the house next door had a 1969 Triumph Bonville Â*and that sure did leak on his cement garage floor.


"Yup, old Triumphs and Harleys did a lot of oil leaking.

Well guess what. Now you've heard of it. Been doing it for over 50 years, since I bought my first
house, except when overseas of course.

But, if it worries you, don't do it."



So.....no consult with the fire dept?
You're quite piece of work, Johnny.

On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 08:47:27 -0400, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 21:08:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/29/2017 7:39 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 14:29:00 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Not to be a party pooper but does the company that underwrites your home
owner's insurance know about the wall to wall rugs in your garage? :-)

The code pretty much gives up the garage., The fire wall is between
there and the house, particularly sleeping rooms. They can't share a
wall.



How about a garage ceiling that is just below the floor of a second
story bedroom?


Mine is. What's your point? You and Don are sounding like I douse the carpets in gas and oil every
day. I don't. They actually stay pretty clean. But, if a drop or two of oil leaks on them, I don't
worry about it.

I put a sprinkler system in the house in Maryland when I put on the
addition, including 4 heads in the garage. I also sprinklered the
utility space under the foyer and that hall along with the foyer
itself since it was a choke point in the evacuation route. (from both
floors). People should really be looking at their house hard,
identifying ignition sources and imagining what a fire might do to
their evacuation plan. At this house I cut a door to the outside in
the bedroom wall. Most people do not realize that the legally required
egress route may be a second floor window. Got a ladder handy? ;-)