A BIG IDEA
By John Hightower

What if the White House and Congress were to do something sensible,
positive, visionary, and good for everyone, instead of ... well, you
know, the opposite of all of the above, as they've been doing?

Here's one big idea that would definitely be a plus for our people and
for future generations: Launch a 10-year, $300 billion, crash program to
provide energy independence for America. This would be a nationwide
effort involving millions of us grassroots people to develop, build, and
run a high-speed rail network, a distribution system for
hydrogen-powered cars, energy-efficient buildings and appliances, solar-
and wind-power systems, and other means to kick our nation's costly oil
addiction.

It's called the Apollo Project, and it's a proposal that has been put
together by 10 unions, including steelworkers, auto workers, mine
workers, service employees, machinists, and electrical workers unions.
Among other good results, their bold plan can restore America's
manufacturing jobs, link blue-collar America with the environmental
movement, eliminate the need for more oil wars, build a sound energy
infrastructure for the future, spur a national construction boom,
stimulate the economy from the ground up, excite and unite workaday
Americans in a shared mission, and provide a positive model for the rest
of the world.

Now that's sensible, positive, visionary, and good for everyone!

Froodle-doodle, cry the naysayers in the White House, Congress, and oil
corporations -- where are you going to get $300 billion to finance this?
I say we should get it from where it went. Washington just doled out
$350 billion from our public treasury to enrich elites who were already
super-rich. Let's put $300 billion of that back in the treasury to
finance this Apollo program for the good of all, instead of watching the
privileged stick it in foreign bank accounts or buy more mansions in France.

To see the Apollo proposal for yourself, check out

www.apolloalliance.org.

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Oh SAVE us Unions, save us.

LOL

The unions have already done quite a bit to
"save" you.

Do you enjoy weekends off?
Paid vacation?
Health insurance?
Reasonable access to address on-the-job grievances or some avenue of appeal for

unfair personnel decisions by your employer?
Do you enjoy a company retirement plan?
Is there on-the-job training available to you to help you advance in your
career and improve your skills?

Here's a flash for you: None of these things, taken for granted by most
American workers, were awarded as a result of the overwhelming generosity and
human kindness of the business community.

Why are conservatives so eager to see unions disbanded? So the take backs can
begin and we'll all wind up working for crap wages, no benefits, and expected
to put in a few hours here and there "off the clock" like at the Walton
Foundation's retail front.
:-(

As long as you are sure you're going to be one of the "haves," who gives a
Schlitz about the growing chasm between the
workers and management, right? Getting the unions out of the way is the best
way to see that the workers "get what they've really had coming all along."

One of the problems with the British capital economic model that the
conservatives are clamoring for is that a *ferocious* division between classes
would
develop here, just as it has in countries where the British capital economic
model prevails.

A hard working individual should be able to get ahead in life, not constantly
cut off at the pass because of his pedigree.

I like it. Can't tell you how many times I've said to people that I wish
some
politician would put up a challange for alternative energy / energy
independence
along the same lines as JFK did for the space race. ~ I haven't read
through
the details of that site yet, but thanks for posting it.

Another idea: Have a tax on gallons of oil. That is, say 5 cents per
gallon
of CRUDE used. That tax slowly inceases over the years. All revenu goes
toward alternative energy research, development, and implementation. That
way ALL users of crude help get us off the crude. The impact from such
a tax would seem to hit all sectors equally and in proportion to their use
of oil...so is about as fair as a tax can be.

Gary

Sure blame everything on the unions. Keep shopping at Wal-Mart so the
illegal aliens will keep their jobs. Wal-Mart promotes BUY, MADE IN AMERICA.
That's the biggest joke of them all. Take a look at where their merchandise
comes from. Cheap foreign labor! Cheap foreign labor produces cheap crap.

Cleaning up the environment will lead to millions of jobs. When I look at a
land fill. I see a natural resources not just the garbage you toss out.

This country is moving towards a society that will one day have a country
cleaner than American Indians did. A society that has a 35 hour work week
with more paid vacations and full health benefits. Just as soon as people
like you, ask not what you can do for your county ask what the hell is my
country spending my tax dollars on.

You have the audacity to call others who think differently than your moral
low IQ simpletons. When in fact it's people like you that where afraid of
the industrial revolution and the computer. Have another Martini and swallow
a few more Valiums. It's only going to get better once the money grabbing
political hypocrites in Washington are strung up by their thumbs. I know
exactly where you stand. Sure give congress a pay raise. They deserve it,
now that $750,000.00 is considered poverty.

Jack
"K Smith" wrote in message
...
Harry Krause wrote:

A BIG IDEA
By John Hightower

What if the White House and Congress were to do something sensible,
positive, visionary, and good for everyone, instead of ... well, you
know, the opposite of all of the above, as they've been doing?

Here's one big idea that would definitely be a plus for our people and
for future generations: Launch a 10-year, $300 billion, crash program to
provide energy independence for America. This would be a nationwide
effort involving millions of us grassroots people to develop, build, and
run a high-speed rail network, a distribution system for
hydrogen-powered cars, energy-efficient buildings and appliances, solar-
and wind-power systems, and other means to kick our nation's costly oil
addiction.

It's called the Apollo Project, and it's a proposal that has been put
together by 10 unions, including steelworkers, auto workers, mine
workers, service employees, machinists, and electrical workers unions.
Among other good results, their bold plan can restore America's
manufacturing jobs, link blue-collar America with the environmental
movement, eliminate the need for more oil wars, build a sound energy
infrastructure for the future, spur a national construction boom,
stimulate the economy from the ground up, excite and unite workaday
Americans in a shared mission, and provide a positive model for the rest
of the world.

Now that's sensible, positive, visionary, and good for everyone!

Froodle-doodle, cry the naysayers in the White House, Congress, and oil
corporations -- where are you going to get $300 billion to finance this?
I say we should get it from where it went. Washington just doled out
$350 billion from our public treasury to enrich elites who were already
super-rich. Let's put $300 billion of that back in the treasury to
finance this Apollo program for the good of all, instead of watching the
privileged stick it in foreign bank accounts or buy more mansions in
France.

To see the Apollo proposal for yourself, check out

www.apolloalliance.org.


You simpleton it's you & your union thug mates that have caused most of
the problems, to suggest they could in any manner be a part of any
solution is gall even for you!!!...



K

Harry Krause wrote:

A BIG IDEA
By John Hightower

What if the White House and Congress were to do something sensible,
positive, visionary, and good for everyone, instead of ... well, you
know, the opposite of all of the above, as they've been doing?

Here's one big idea that would definitely be a plus for our people and
for future generations: Launch a 10-year, $300 billion, crash program to
provide energy independence for America. This would be a nationwide
effort involving millions of us grassroots people to develop, build, and
run a high-speed rail network, a distribution system for
hydrogen-powered cars, energy-efficient buildings and appliances, solar-
and wind-power systems, and other means to kick our nation's costly oil
addiction.

It's called the Apollo Project, and it's a proposal that has been put
together by 10 unions, including steelworkers, auto workers, mine
workers, service employees, machinists, and electrical workers unions.
Among other good results, their bold plan can restore America's
manufacturing jobs, link blue-collar America with the environmental
movement, eliminate the need for more oil wars, build a sound energy
infrastructure for the future, spur a national construction boom,
stimulate the economy from the ground up, excite and unite workaday
Americans in a shared mission, and provide a positive model for the rest
of the world.

Now that's sensible, positive, visionary, and good for everyone!

Froodle-doodle, cry the naysayers in the White House, Congress, and oil
corporations -- where are you going to get $300 billion to finance this?
I say we should get it from where it went. Washington just doled out
$350 billion from our public treasury to enrich elites who were already
super-rich. Let's put $300 billion of that back in the treasury to
finance this Apollo program for the good of all, instead of watching the
privileged stick it in foreign bank accounts or buy more mansions in France.

To see the Apollo proposal for yourself, check out

www.apolloalliance.org.


You simpleton it's you & your union thug mates that have caused most of
the problems, to suggest they could in any manner be a part of any
solution is gall even for you!!!...



K

Jack Rye wrote:

Thanks for the reply Jack,

Sure blame everything on the unions.

I blame monopolies & that's how unions work, they create a monopoly
then behave in the worst of monopolist fashion. They are run in the main
by uneducated simpletons & I give you ex union heavy Harry as a classic
example.

Keep shopping at Wal-Mart so the
illegal aliens will keep their jobs. Wal-Mart promotes BUY, MADE IN AMERICA.
That's the biggest joke of them all. Take a look at where their merchandise
comes from. Cheap foreign labor! Cheap foreign labor produces cheap crap.

yes it's "cheap" foreign labour so what?? Try to look just past your
own front door. All the counties you complain about have to start out
somewhere because they have nothing & yes for a while the people will
work for almost nothing, but remember it's not "just" the workers, it's
the regulations, the councils (local authorities etc etc ) they're all
only too happy to see US Cos setup & start making stuff giving their
people jobs. However after a while just like your country people want
more, then the greenies start whining, the council wants a bigger cut
till after a while there are so many greedy socialist hangers on that
the once "cheap" thing isn't much cheaper than the made in the US brand.

The examples are Japan, Malaysia, Phil. Rkor,

The advantage to "you" is those countries are now huge consumers of
your wares, your computers & technology. They never would have been had
your market not been able to drag them up. The humanitarian benefits are
just a great free bonus.

China & Rkor are already starting the "demand" more & particularly
China will ultimately fail or dump communism, but whatever if the west's
market clought can raise their standards of living even just slightly
the market for the wests goods will be huge.

So free trade benefits everybody, except the union bullies who are just
Harry type simpletons.


Cleaning up the environment will lead to millions of jobs. When I look at a
land fill. I see a natural resources not just the garbage you toss out.

No jack the environment is doing just fine, & cleaning it up as you
suggest will not add anything to GDP. It's just a union ploy to try &
deal themselves back into the game, after they almost singlehandedly
chased real manufacturing out of the US.

The so called environment problems, global warming & all the other BS
is just BS & nothing more. The world has never had so many people, so
much safe food, such long life expectancies, infant survival rates, etc
etc etc The biggest problem really is aids & guess what you've almost
got that managable, what union was involved??? None?? it was free
enterprise driven by the profit motive, which got there & mostly always
will.

I suspect you might be a child from your posts at least mentally, but
us proper grownups can remember the previous scare campaigns from the
simpleton left, our world was for sure, without any doubt going to run
out of food in the mid 80's according to the simpletons, the water was
gone etc etc etc In previous time the religious charlatons were the main
spruikers for this crap but these days almost any simpletons can have a
go. They don't have the where with all to be rational & love running in
packs so any cock & bull story that comes along to give them a cause, or
usually control over others, they grab it with both greedy hands,
trouble is it never stands rational examination.


This country is moving towards a society that will one day have a country
cleaner than American Indians did. A society that has a 35 hour work week
with more paid vacations and full health benefits. Just as soon as people
like you, ask not what you can do for your county ask what the hell is my
country spending my tax dollars on.

But you already have that!!! 300 mil people almost none live in
squalor. The aboriginals did& the died very very young on account of it.
Again stop running with the loons get off your sad arse & have look,
the world has never been in better shape, never.


You have the audacity to call others who think differently than your moral
low IQ simpletons.

What else can it be??? It's all there for the looking but they still
run around trying to hold the world back & oops guess what it just
happens they know what's best & in Harry's union mates' case they want
their criminal power back now they've chased most manufacturing away.

When in fact it's people like you that where afraid of
the industrial revolution and the computer. Have another Martini and swallow
a few more Valiums.

We're not the luddites it's your noisy crowd, gee we embrace
technology, I only need look at your post's full headers to see you
can't even work a computer, so again look before you yell.

It's only going to get better once the money grabbing
political hypocrites in Washington are strung up by their thumbs. I know
exactly where you stand. Sure give congress a pay raise. They deserve it,
now that $750,000.00 is considered poverty.

It's call democracy Jack something you lefties don't like at all, if
the people don't like it they'll change as they regularly do, however
only the spruikers & union simpletons concentrate on the envy of another
blokes wage as reason they should have more, when in reality the only
thing holding you back from the same is you.

Best regards & thanks again.

K

I'm chuffed you answered so here's some more of Harry's lies for you,
see the type of simpletons you lemming like follow???

As far as your other complaints, well, almost every president in my memory,
and I *remember* Truman, Eisenhower (who cheated on his wife), Kennedy,
Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush, lied and participated in
deceit to one degree or another, and on issues far more important than who
was giving them blow jobs.

Good lord. I met *every* president in the damned group except Bush, and I
worked once for his father.



Jack
"K Smith" wrote in message
...

Harry Krause wrote:

A BIG IDEA
By John Hightower

What if the White House and Congress were to do something sensible,
positive, visionary, and good for everyone, instead of ... well, you
know, the opposite of all of the above, as they've been doing?

Here's one big idea that would definitely be a plus for our people and
for future generations: Launch a 10-year, $300 billion, crash program to
provide energy independence for America. This would be a nationwide
effort involving millions of us grassroots people to develop, build, and
run a high-speed rail network, a distribution system for
hydrogen-powered cars, energy-efficient buildings and appliances, solar-
and wind-power systems, and other means to kick our nation's costly oil
addiction.

It's called the Apollo Project, and it's a proposal that has been put
together by 10 unions, including steelworkers, auto workers, mine
workers, service employees, machinists, and electrical workers unions.
Among other good results, their bold plan can restore America's
manufacturing jobs, link blue-collar America with the environmental
movement, eliminate the need for more oil wars, build a sound energy
infrastructure for the future, spur a national construction boom,
stimulate the economy from the ground up, excite and unite workaday
Americans in a shared mission, and provide a positive model for the rest
of the world.

Now that's sensible, positive, visionary, and good for everyone!

Froodle-doodle, cry the naysayers in the White House, Congress, and oil
corporations -- where are you going to get $300 billion to finance this?
I say we should get it from where it went. Washington just doled out
$350 billion from our public treasury to enrich elites who were already
super-rich. Let's put $300 billion of that back in the treasury to
finance this Apollo program for the good of all, instead of watching the
privileged stick it in foreign bank accounts or buy more mansions in

France.

To see the Apollo proposal for yourself, check out

www.apolloalliance.org.


You simpleton it's you & your union thug mates that have caused most of
the problems, to suggest they could in any manner be a part of any
solution is gall even for you!!!...



K

Don't forget nuclear power.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


A BIG IDEA
By John Hightower

What if the White House and Congress were to do something sensible,
positive, visionary, and good for everyone, instead of ... well, you
know, the opposite of all of the above, as they've been doing?

Here's one big idea that would definitely be a plus for our people and
for future generations: Launch a 10-year, $300 billion, crash program to
provide energy independence for America. This would be a nationwide
effort involving millions of us grassroots people to develop, build, and
run a high-speed rail network, a distribution system for
hydrogen-powered cars, energy-efficient buildings and appliances, solar-
and wind-power systems, and other means to kick our nation's costly oil
addiction.

It's called the Apollo Project, and it's a proposal that has been put
together by 10 unions, including steelworkers, auto workers, mine
workers, service employees, machinists, and electrical workers unions.
Among other good results, their bold plan can restore America's
manufacturing jobs, link blue-collar America with the environmental
movement, eliminate the need for more oil wars, build a sound energy
infrastructure for the future, spur a national construction boom,
stimulate the economy from the ground up, excite and unite workaday
Americans in a shared mission, and provide a positive model for the rest
of the world.

Now that's sensible, positive, visionary, and good for everyone!

Froodle-doodle, cry the naysayers in the White House, Congress, and oil
corporations -- where are you going to get $300 billion to finance this?
I say we should get it from where it went. Washington just doled out
$350 billion from our public treasury to enrich elites who were already
super-rich. Let's put $300 billion of that back in the treasury to
finance this Apollo program for the good of all, instead of watching the
privileged stick it in foreign bank accounts or buy more mansions in
France.

To see the Apollo proposal for yourself, check out

www.apolloalliance.org.

--
__________________________________________________ __________
Email sent to will never reach me.

K Smith wrote in message news:bnag6a$tr5km$1@ID-
You simpleton it's you & your union thug mates that have caused most of
the problems, to suggest they could in any manner be a part of any
solution is gall even for you!!!...



K

What a completely ignorant statement! Do you HONESTLY and
INTELLIGENTLY believe that we are dependant on foreign oil because of
unions? Laughable.

Harry Krause wrote:

A BIG IDEA
By John Hightower

Hightower was a unsuccessful liberal talk radio host.

A big idea from one loser to another... Kinda like quoting Rush Limbaugh...

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I hate people that can't sum up their thoughts in a coherent statement.
Instead Morons like you, need to reply to individual statements with whole
paragraphs of misinformed diluted ideas.

If for one minute you believe that a corporation has your best interest in
mind. You really are lost. Corporations don't give a dam about you, towns,
environment, countries, or their employees. They only care about the
bottom line, stock price, dividend, and whether or not they are going to get
their bonuses. Wal-Mart is a perfect example of how companies will screw
anyone over just to make a profit. Take a look at the thriving towns in
America where they have put everyone out of business. All you see are This
space for rent. Which is the republican success symbol.

R+D is a way to manufacture jobs, Not selling the same crap for years.
Without R+D you have a stagnant economy. Consumers get the same low quality
crap at a higher price. Sure it may come in a new color or have an added
bell or whistle. But it's the same inefficient bogus crap that been
marketed in a new and exciting way.

I won't say that Unions have done a great job. They two are as flawed as the
corporations. Unions have made an impact on the companies bottom line by
insisting that children be excluded from the factory work place. improving
the safety of workers. and giving the workers benefits packages. The only
reason that Henry Ford paid his worker above scale pay was so they would be
able to buy his cars.

When it comes right down to it. Stagnation with Republican Voo Doo economics
giving the rich tax cuts, doesn't work. The money never trickles down. It
just makes people like you trickle down closer to poverty.

I sure am glad that you and your children worked 15 hours a day in steel
mill and sweat shops instead attending the third grade.

Have a wonderful migraine head ache comprehending the above.

Jack
"K Smith" wrote in message
...
Jack Rye wrote:

Thanks for the reply Jack,

Sure blame everything on the unions.

I blame monopolies & that's how unions work, they create a monopoly
then behave in the worst of monopolist fashion. They are run in the main
by uneducated simpletons & I give you ex union heavy Harry as a classic
example.

Keep shopping at Wal-Mart so the
illegal aliens will keep their jobs. Wal-Mart promotes BUY, MADE IN
AMERICA.
That's the biggest joke of them all. Take a look at where their
merchandise
comes from. Cheap foreign labor! Cheap foreign labor produces cheap
crap.

yes it's "cheap" foreign labour so what?? Try to look just past your
own front door. All the counties you complain about have to start out
somewhere because they have nothing & yes for a while the people will
work for almost nothing, but remember it's not "just" the workers, it's
the regulations, the councils (local authorities etc etc ) they're all
only too happy to see US Cos setup & start making stuff giving their
people jobs. However after a while just like your country people want
more, then the greenies start whining, the council wants a bigger cut
till after a while there are so many greedy socialist hangers on that
the once "cheap" thing isn't much cheaper than the made in the US brand.

The examples are Japan, Malaysia, Phil. Rkor,

The advantage to "you" is those countries are now huge consumers of
your wares, your computers & technology. They never would have been had
your market not been able to drag them up. The humanitarian benefits are
just a great free bonus.

China & Rkor are already starting the "demand" more & particularly
China will ultimately fail or dump communism, but whatever if the west's
market clought can raise their standards of living even just slightly
the market for the wests goods will be huge.

So free trade benefits everybody, except the union bullies who are just
Harry type simpletons.


Cleaning up the environment will lead to millions of jobs. When I look
at a
land fill. I see a natural resources not just the garbage you toss out.

No jack the environment is doing just fine, & cleaning it up as you
suggest will not add anything to GDP. It's just a union ploy to try &
deal themselves back into the game, after they almost singlehandedly
chased real manufacturing out of the US.

The so called environment problems, global warming & all the other BS
is just BS & nothing more. The world has never had so many people, so
much safe food, such long life expectancies, infant survival rates, etc
etc etc The biggest problem really is aids & guess what you've almost
got that managable, what union was involved??? None?? it was free
enterprise driven by the profit motive, which got there & mostly always
will.

I suspect you might be a child from your posts at least mentally, but
us proper grownups can remember the previous scare campaigns from the
simpleton left, our world was for sure, without any doubt going to run
out of food in the mid 80's according to the simpletons, the water was
gone etc etc etc In previous time the religious charlatons were the main
spruikers for this crap but these days almost any simpletons can have a
go. They don't have the where with all to be rational & love running in
packs so any cock & bull story that comes along to give them a cause, or
usually control over others, they grab it with both greedy hands,
trouble is it never stands rational examination.


This country is moving towards a society that will one day have a
country
cleaner than American Indians did. A society that has a 35 hour work
week
with more paid vacations and full health benefits. Just as soon as
people
like you, ask not what you can do for your county ask what the hell is
my
country spending my tax dollars on.

But you already have that!!! 300 mil people almost none live in
squalor. The aboriginals did& the died very very young on account of it.
Again stop running with the loons get off your sad arse & have look,
the world has never been in better shape, never.


You have the audacity to call others who think differently than your
moral
low IQ simpletons.

What else can it be??? It's all there for the looking but they still
run around trying to hold the world back & oops guess what it just
happens they know what's best & in Harry's union mates' case they want
their criminal power back now they've chased most manufacturing away.

When in fact it's people like you that where afraid of
the industrial revolution and the computer. Have another Martini and
swallow
a few more Valiums.

We're not the luddites it's your noisy crowd, gee we embrace
technology, I only need look at your post's full headers to see you
can't even work a computer, so again look before you yell.

It's only going to get better once the money grabbing
political hypocrites in Washington are strung up by their thumbs. I know
exactly where you stand. Sure give congress a pay raise. They deserve
it,
now that $750,000.00 is considered poverty.

It's call democracy Jack something you lefties don't like at all, if
the people don't like it they'll change as they regularly do, however
only the spruikers & union simpletons concentrate on the envy of another
blokes wage as reason they should have more, when in reality the only
thing holding you back from the same is you.

Best regards & thanks again.

K

I'm chuffed you answered so here's some more of Harry's lies for you,
see the type of simpletons you lemming like follow???

As far as your other complaints, well, almost every president in my
memory,
and I *remember* Truman, Eisenhower (who cheated on his wife), Kennedy,
Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush, lied and participated in
deceit to one degree or another, and on issues far more important than who
was giving them blow jobs.

Good lord. I met *every* president in the damned group except Bush, and I
worked once for his father.



Jack
"K Smith" wrote in message
...

Harry Krause wrote:

A BIG IDEA
By John Hightower

What if the White House and Congress were to do something sensible,
positive, visionary, and good for everyone, instead of ... well, you
know, the opposite of all of the above, as they've been doing?

Here's one big idea that would definitely be a plus for our people and
for future generations: Launch a 10-year, $300 billion, crash program
to
provide energy independence for America. This would be a nationwide
effort involving millions of us grassroots people to develop, build,
and
run a high-speed rail network, a distribution system for
hydrogen-powered cars, energy-efficient buildings and appliances,
solar-
and wind-power systems, and other means to kick our nation's costly oil
addiction.

It's called the Apollo Project, and it's a proposal that has been put
together by 10 unions, including steelworkers, auto workers, mine
workers, service employees, machinists, and electrical workers unions.
Among other good results, their bold plan can restore America's
manufacturing jobs, link blue-collar America with the environmental
movement, eliminate the need for more oil wars, build a sound energy
infrastructure for the future, spur a national construction boom,
stimulate the economy from the ground up, excite and unite workaday
Americans in a shared mission, and provide a positive model for the
rest
of the world.

Now that's sensible, positive, visionary, and good for everyone!

Froodle-doodle, cry the naysayers in the White House, Congress, and oil
corporations -- where are you going to get $300 billion to finance
this?
I say we should get it from where it went. Washington just doled out
$350 billion from our public treasury to enrich elites who were already
super-rich. Let's put $300 billion of that back in the treasury to
finance this Apollo program for the good of all, instead of watching
the
privileged stick it in foreign bank accounts or buy more mansions in

France.

To see the Apollo proposal for yourself, check out

www.apolloalliance.org.


You simpleton it's you & your union thug mates that have caused most of
the problems, to suggest they could in any manner be a part of any
solution is gall even for you!!!...



K