Doug Kanter wrote:
"K Smith" wrote in message
...


China & Rkor are already starting the "demand" more & particularly
China will ultimately fail or dump communism, but whatever if the west's
market clought can raise their standards of living even just slightly
the market for the wests goods will be huge.


China!?! The country whose environmental regulation of industry is best
described as "What? Huh?" The country where people are put to death for
petty theft, unless their family is well connected? That China?

See Doug everything is relative. The environment is fine you only get
caught up in the crap because vested (usually unionist driven lefties)
drive it. i.e. it does much more actual damage to the environment to
recycle your domestic garbage than just throw it away. As for death
penalty laws?? gees louise you have some pretty scary practices on that
front yourselves; deserved??? Me personally I say nobody (no not even
him) ever "deserves" that US or China & it's a comment on the
executioners more than the criminals.


No thanks. I don't want my money going there. I don't buy the crap about how
an influx of money will drag them kicking and screaming into a world of
better behavior.


I totally agree with you on that & I'm the same, but equally you & I
are exercising our free choice & we still have a choice. You (with me)
exercise it but build walls & we'll never be able to make that choice
rationally in possession of the real facts & as proven with your car
industry it's down hill from there. The Harry unionist bully boys don't
want you to have a choice because they controlling lying dishonest
simpletons

K

K Smith: It must be nice to sit alone and comment on the world according to
K Smith's special rose tinted glasses.

I am a republican and one of the few people that actually benefited from the
voo doo tax cuts and economic plan. The last republican president I voted
for was Jerry Ford. That was when I became legal age to vote. It wasn't
because I didn't understand the issues. I just believed that straight
tickets won elections. I will vote for Dean.

Now that our company has finished acquiring Attwood, and the transition is
complete. I am off to O'Hare, then the Pacific again to spend more time with
my family on our dingy. Just one of the corporate perks.

If you ever have anything interesting to say besides putting your foot in
your mouth I will be glade to debased you again. Try to come up with an
original thought by Monday.

Keep chasing those rose colored windmills Don Quote.

Jack
"K Smith" wrote in message
...
Jack Rye wrote:
I hate people that can't sum up their thoughts in a coherent statement.
Instead Morons like you, need to reply to individual statements with
whole
paragraphs of misinformed diluted ideas.

gee you're not too bad yourself Jack :-)


If for one minute you believe that a corporation has your best interest
in
mind. You really are lost. Corporations don't give a dam about you,
towns,
environment, countries, or their employees. They only care about the
bottom line, stock price, dividend, and whether or not they are going to
get
their bonuses. Wal-Mart is a perfect example of how companies will
screw
anyone over just to make a profit. Take a look at the thriving towns in
America where they have put everyone out of business. All you see are
This
space for rent. Which is the republican success symbol.

I never said corps had "your" best interests at heart they don't & why
should they?? or is this just more of your socialistic crap about
somebody owing you something for nothing??


R+D is a way to manufacture jobs, Not selling the same crap for years.
Without R+D you have a stagnant economy. Consumers get the same low
quality
crap at a higher price. Sure it may come in a new color or have an added
bell or whistle. But it's the same inefficient bogus crap that been
marketed in a new and exciting way.

R&D is OK & as you say necessary, but what's your point?? Do you think
if there was a market for things Corps wouldn't try to exploit it?? of
course they would & most real advances have been driven by the profit
motive which you of course see as evil, because you don't get something
for nothing.


I won't say that Unions have done a great job. They two are as flawed as
the
corporations. Unions have made an impact on the companies bottom line
by
insisting that children be excluded from the factory work place.
improving
the safety of workers. and giving the workers benefits packages. The
only
reason that Henry Ford paid his worker above scale pay was so they would
be
able to buy his cars.

But you seem to know about Henry Ford's comments yet can't see the same
rationale when used globally. Lets cut to it Jack you & Harry are just
failed wasted lives, individuals who couldn't cut it even in the best
country on earth, so you don't change??? no you continue with the very
reason your lives were wasted, waiting & bleating, hoping somebody,
anybody might throw you a free bone, pathetic.


When it comes right down to it. Stagnation with Republican Voo Doo
economics
giving the rich tax cuts, doesn't work. The money never trickles down.
It
just makes people like you trickle down closer to poverty.

Taxes are a disincentive for the clever to do anything. Any Govt of any
colour just squanders collected taxes on pet projects for their
particular constituents, dems or repubs. So reduce taxes at least there
is more incentive for the actual GDP builders & less for the socialists
to waste.


I sure am glad that you and your children worked 15 hours a day in steel
mill and sweat shops instead attending the third grade.

Typical mantra of those with no real answers.


Have a wonderful migraine head ache comprehending the above.

Understanding where you're coming from & what you're really after is as
easy as looking through an open window.

K

Jack
"K Smith" wrote in message
...

Jack Rye wrote:

Thanks for the reply Jack,


Sure blame everything on the unions.

I blame monopolies & that's how unions work, they create a monopoly
then behave in the worst of monopolist fashion. They are run in the main
by uneducated simpletons & I give you ex union heavy Harry as a classic
example.

Keep shopping at Wal-Mart so the

illegal aliens will keep their jobs. Wal-Mart promotes BUY, MADE IN

AMERICA.

That's the biggest joke of them all. Take a look at where their

merchandise

comes from. Cheap foreign labor! Cheap foreign labor produces cheap

crap.

yes it's "cheap" foreign labour so what?? Try to look just past your
own front door. All the counties you complain about have to start out
somewhere because they have nothing & yes for a while the people will
work for almost nothing, but remember it's not "just" the workers, it's
the regulations, the councils (local authorities etc etc ) they're all
only too happy to see US Cos setup & start making stuff giving their
people jobs. However after a while just like your country people want
more, then the greenies start whining, the council wants a bigger cut
till after a while there are so many greedy socialist hangers on that
the once "cheap" thing isn't much cheaper than the made in the US brand.

The examples are Japan, Malaysia, Phil. Rkor,

The advantage to "you" is those countries are now huge consumers of
your wares, your computers & technology. They never would have been had
your market not been able to drag them up. The humanitarian benefits are
just a great free bonus.

China & Rkor are already starting the "demand" more & particularly
China will ultimately fail or dump communism, but whatever if the west's
market clought can raise their standards of living even just slightly
the market for the wests goods will be huge.

So free trade benefits everybody, except the union bullies who are just
Harry type simpletons.


Cleaning up the environment will lead to millions of jobs. When I look

at a

land fill. I see a natural resources not just the garbage you toss out.

No jack the environment is doing just fine, & cleaning it up as you
suggest will not add anything to GDP. It's just a union ploy to try &
deal themselves back into the game, after they almost singlehandedly
chased real manufacturing out of the US.

The so called environment problems, global warming & all the other BS
is just BS & nothing more. The world has never had so many people, so
much safe food, such long life expectancies, infant survival rates, etc
etc etc The biggest problem really is aids & guess what you've almost
got that managable, what union was involved??? None?? it was free
enterprise driven by the profit motive, which got there & mostly always
will.

I suspect you might be a child from your posts at least mentally, but
us proper grownups can remember the previous scare campaigns from the
simpleton left, our world was for sure, without any doubt going to run
out of food in the mid 80's according to the simpletons, the water was
gone etc etc etc In previous time the religious charlatons were the main
spruikers for this crap but these days almost any simpletons can have a
go. They don't have the where with all to be rational & love running in
packs so any cock & bull story that comes along to give them a cause, or
usually control over others, they grab it with both greedy hands,
trouble is it never stands rational examination.


This country is moving towards a society that will one day have a

country

cleaner than American Indians did. A society that has a 35 hour work

week

with more paid vacations and full health benefits. Just as soon as

people

like you, ask not what you can do for your county ask what the hell is

my

country spending my tax dollars on.

But you already have that!!! 300 mil people almost none live in
squalor. The aboriginals did& the died very very young on account of it.
Again stop running with the loons get off your sad arse & have look,
the world has never been in better shape, never.


You have the audacity to call others who think differently than your

moral

low IQ simpletons.

What else can it be??? It's all there for the looking but they still
run around trying to hold the world back & oops guess what it just
happens they know what's best & in Harry's union mates' case they want
their criminal power back now they've chased most manufacturing away.

When in fact it's people like you that where afraid of

the industrial revolution and the computer. Have another Martini and

swallow

a few more Valiums.

We're not the luddites it's your noisy crowd, gee we embrace
technology, I only need look at your post's full headers to see you
can't even work a computer, so again look before you yell.

It's only going to get better once the money grabbing

political hypocrites in Washington are strung up by their thumbs. I
know
exactly where you stand. Sure give congress a pay raise. They deserve

it,

now that $750,000.00 is considered poverty.

It's call democracy Jack something you lefties don't like at all, if
the people don't like it they'll change as they regularly do, however
only the spruikers & union simpletons concentrate on the envy of another
blokes wage as reason they should have more, when in reality the only
thing holding you back from the same is you.

Best regards & thanks again.

K

I'm chuffed you answered so here's some more of Harry's lies for you,
see the type of simpletons you lemming like follow???

As far as your other complaints, well, almost every president in my

memory,

and I *remember* Truman, Eisenhower (who cheated on his wife), Kennedy,
Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush, lied and participated in
deceit to one degree or another, and on issues far more important than
who
was giving them blow jobs.

Good lord. I met *every* president in the damned group except Bush, and
I
worked once for his father.



Jack
"K Smith" wrote in message
...


Harry Krause wrote:


A BIG IDEA
By John Hightower

What if the White House and Congress were to do something sensible,
positive, visionary, and good for everyone, instead of ... well, you
know, the opposite of all of the above, as they've been doing?

Here's one big idea that would definitely be a plus for our people
and
for future generations: Launch a 10-year, $300 billion, crash program

to

provide energy independence for America. This would be a nationwide
effort involving millions of us grassroots people to develop, build,

and

run a high-speed rail network, a distribution system for
hydrogen-powered cars, energy-efficient buildings and appliances,

solar-

and wind-power systems, and other means to kick our nation's costly
oil
addiction.

It's called the Apollo Project, and it's a proposal that has been put
together by 10 unions, including steelworkers, auto workers, mine
workers, service employees, machinists, and electrical workers
unions.
Among other good results, their bold plan can restore America's
manufacturing jobs, link blue-collar America with the environmental
movement, eliminate the need for more oil wars, build a sound energy
infrastructure for the future, spur a national construction boom,
stimulate the economy from the ground up, excite and unite workaday
Americans in a shared mission, and provide a positive model for the

rest

of the world.

Now that's sensible, positive, visionary, and good for everyone!

Froodle-doodle, cry the naysayers in the White House, Congress, and
oil
corporations -- where are you going to get $300 billion to finance

this?

I say we should get it from where it went. Washington just doled out
$350 billion from our public treasury to enrich elites who were
already
super-rich. Let's put $300 billion of that back in the treasury to
finance this Apollo program for the good of all, instead of watching

the

privileged stick it in foreign bank accounts or buy more mansions in

France.


To see the Apollo proposal for yourself, check out

www.apolloalliance.org.


You simpleton it's you & your union thug mates that have caused most
of
the problems, to suggest they could in any manner be a part of any
solution is gall even for you!!!...



K

Slambram wrote:
On 24 Oct 2003 04:34:27 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:


Oh SAVE us Unions, save us.

LOL

The unions have already done quite a bit to
"save" you.

Do you enjoy weekends off?

Yep absolutely but I want to retain the right to work & earn over the
weekend if I choose. It's about control so "I"have to conform to "their"
wishes I mean they're about stopping any competition in any manner.

Paid vacation?

Yep absolutely but I want to retain the right to work & earn over them
if I choose. It's about control see above.

Health insurance?

Yep absolutely but I want to retain the right to take care of my own if
I choose & be paid the gross amount I'm entitled to. I don't need
somebody else making decisions about how or where I spend the money I've
earnt, honestly are you so simple you do??? We don't need everything
dumbed down to the lowest common denominator but that's how it's become.

Reasonable access to address on-the-job grievances or some avenue of appeal for

unfair personnel decisions by your employer?

No not really, lots of potential "employers" are funny people so they
don't employ these days because they can't run their business the way
they want to. So sorry if they can hire they can fire, if you don't want
to work there fine ..... don't. The only thing is we must protect people
from predators like Harry, he's admitted stalking & harassing one female
NG member already & he boasted of it here, this is unacceptable &
illegal such that he should have been prosecuted, in any forum it's well
out of order; including work.

Do you enjoy a company retirement plan?

Mine?? well yes mine is how I want it but again, I want choice pure &
simple & I want the gross amount of money that I have earnt with my
efforts. I don't want anyone telling me how I should live my life nor
plan for my retirement. This compulsory super crap has just lost the
community billions because people were effectively gambling with other
peoples money & the unions have their sticky dishonest fingers on it as
much as the dishonest corps who stole employees money via manipulation
of your socialistic ways.

Is there on-the-job training available to you to help you advance in your
career and improve your skills?

These are crap courses run by simpleton Harry types teaching
gobbledygook nonsense which doesn't benefit anyone but the provider,
certainly not the course taker nor their employer. Typical of what
happens in your socialist world.




Spare me Hoffa. I enjoy all of these things. I'm not in a union. My
employer provides them for me because i'm worth it (at least right now
i am). If they didn't, they know i'd go somewhere else.

Because you would get a better job if they weren't??? & that's my
point!!! just let open free choice & competition have it's way & don't
interfere. The words for today are Milton's "free to choose"

Unions nowadays are just as corrupt as the corporations they were
formed against. The sad thing is that in the end, the hardworking
American is going to one who ultimately pays.

Well we agree then but the unions are run by simpletons & don't let any
lying Harry tell you otherwise, after all he's one of 'em.

K

Harry Krause wrote:
K Smith wrote:


Harry Krause wrote:

K Smith wrote:



Jack Rye wrote:

Thanks for the reply Jack,



Sure blame everything on the unions.

I blame monopolies & that's how unions work, they create a monopoly
then behave in the worst of monopolist fashion. They are run in the

main

by uneducated simpletons & I give you ex union heavy Harry as a classic
example.


Your ignorance says more about you than you realize.
Most of the younger "uneducated simpletons" I know who run unions have
bachelor's degrees, and several have master's degrees. Most of the older
generation of union leaders, the ones who have retired or are close to
retirement, were educated in the school of hard knocks, but some of them
managed to get college degrees, too.

On the other hand, *you* never completed college and got a degree, and
by the tone of your political posts here, I would posit that *you* are
the simpleton.

Well you see this is your problem Harry, I' let my understandings &
posts stand whereas you lie about just about everything including that
you are educated. The truth is you have no degrees indeed you're not
even literate.

In the past when others have tried there is no trace of you having even
attended any tertiary education. As you usually do you lie you want to
claim authority you just make up a lie like;



One of the joys of this newsgroup is the opportunity it offers for
watching mental cases like you prove over and over how detached from
reality you are. It gives us hope for the future.



I mean once when you were cornered you actually
claimed to have contacted your old uni & told them not to release
anything , even that you were there!!! What a hopeless lying turd you are.



It is against federal law in this country for a college registrar's
office to release identifying personal information about a student or
graduate without the latter's express permission. All I've ever done
about the matter was to check my registrar's office to make sure the law
hadn't changed. Sorry.


You spin it as the liar you are. When checked you weren't even
mentioned as a student anywhere, no "personal details" just as having
attended any tertiary institution.

But no matter; what's your concern?? name them now, after all according
to your false education claims you have at least 4 references to choose
from. Lies upon lies



Boat?? No way you never have & certainly don't now.


Oh, puh-lease. That dog of yours won't hunt, either. More than one
poster in this newsgroup has seen me and the boat, and knows all sorts
of details that were verified by third parties. Give it up, Karen.

Fine give us one reference one "verifiable" reference not others
you've hoodwinked. Again you are just BS about everything, no boats, no
education, no father dealer, no gun prises (surely even there the courts
would let the mentally ill have access to guns) no 20 yrs junior
professional wife.... none of it. Never ever any verification of
anything, just years of endless BS claims which one after the other over
time you can never back up in any manner because you're liar end of story.



The best thing you could do for humanity's sake, Karen, is place
yourself on the dung heap for collection. You smell bad.

K

K Smith wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

K Smith wrote:



Oh you mean the ONLY 80HP diesel OB you've ever seen??


Well, I haven't actually seen it, Karen. All you've posted are some
****-poor photos that show a rusting hunkajunk that looks like an old
Chrysler outboard on steroids. I have seen a Yanmar diesel outboard,
though, of something like 35 or 40 hp, and it didn't look anything like
that piece of crap hanging on the back of your piece of crap boat.

No they wouldn't because they didn't design anew

You didn't design anew, either. You took someone else's diesel and
bolted it onto the ugliest lower unit I have ever seen. The Yanmar is a
manufactured product; yours is a hunka junk.



they tried to put a
diesel OB together in the same manner a 2 stroke petrol is. This meant
they couldn't go much bigger that 38HP, it took me & my blokes

to
actually design & build bigger full OB diesels

You've never provided a shred of proof that *you* had anything to do
with the design of anything. It's just bullship, all of it.


By the way; several more

have been built & that one is still going although it's still a test bed
so has had lots of changes along the way.

Are they winners of the Industrial Ugly Award, too?



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Do you enjoy weekends off?

Yep absolutely but I want to retain the right to work & earn over the
weekend if I choose.

You missed the point by a mile: How about the right *not* to work on the
weekends if you don't care to? How about getting paid extra per hour when your
employer insists that you work more hours during a week than he or she told you
the job schedule involved when you were hired on?

It's about control so "I"have to conform to "their"
wishes I mean they're about stopping any competition in any manner.

At first I thought you must have speaking about your employer. :-)

Is competition good? Most of us think so.
Collective bargaining allows a wage earner to compete with his employer's
claims to the fruits of his or her labor. When you do an hour's work, some
portion of the wealth you produce is set aside for you, and the rest belongs to
your employer. Naturally, you and your employer both want the larger portion.
Dividing the fruits of you labor is what bargaining with an employer is all
about.

Paid vacation?

Yep absolutely but I want to retain the right to work & earn over them
if I choose. It's about control see above.

Whoosh! The point flies overhead again.
You think anybody got a paid vacation before workers organized and bargained
for it? The very *choice* that you're looking for is only available because you
get a vacation in the first place. And it should be your choice, not your
employers. Imagine the hearing the following conversation:

"Oh, by the way, Smith, we'll need you to come in three hours early next
Monday."

"Monday? Mr. Smith and I are leaving for Hawaii on Friday night! It's my annual
vacation! It's been on the schedule for six months or more!"

"Sorry, Smith. We pay you to produce widgets, not sit on the beach in Hawaii.
Looks like you'll have to cancel the vacation, or if you prefer I'll just hire
somebody else to take your job."

When an employer has *all* the horsepower in a relationship, it's not possible
to negotiate anything.

Health insurance?

Yep absolutely but I want to retain the right to take care of my own if

I choose & be paid the gross amount I'm entitled to.

Whoosh, whoosh, whoosh! You sincerely believe that if an employer wasn't
required to fund health insurance for his or her employees that the employer
would pass all of the corresponding savings on to the employees? "Let's see
here- cancelling the company health insurance improved the company bottom line
$275k per year.
What shall I do with that? Invest it in offshore oil drilling futures and hope
for a 90% return, or pass it along to the line workers? Hmmm. Such a dilemna
for most folks!"

I don't need
somebody else making decisions about how or where I spend the money I've
earnt, honestly are you so simple you do???

??? I'm self employed, and don't belong to a union. As far as being simple and
needing decisions made for me....my wife seems to think that'w her role a lot
of times. :-)

Reasonable access to address on-the-job grievances or some avenue of appeal
for

unfair personnel decisions by your employer?

No not really, lots of potential "employers" are funny people so they
don't employ these days because they can't run their business the way
they want to. So sorry if they can hire they can fire, if you don't want
to work there fine ..... don't.

So, two weeks before you've earned your pension (oops, sorry- no union job
probably no pension either) the boss' 21 year old son who gets to play
"manager" in Daddy's plant calls you into his office and says your work is no
longer acceptable. He's hired another person to do your job.
(The other person works for several dollars per hour less, and isn't about to
cost the company big $$$ by becoming fully vested in the retirement fund)
"Smith, I'm really sorry, but since we hired you we have the right to fire you,
and I'm afraid we'll have to let you go."

Since the boss's son represents the employer, whatever he says has to go,
right?

..............(from this point on, most of Karen's post centers around her feud
with Harry. Won't bother to respond).......

K Smith wrote:

Gould 0738 wrote:
Do you enjoy weekends off?

Yep absolutely but I want to retain the right to work & earn over the
weekend if I choose.


You missed the point by a mile: How about the right *not* to work on the
weekends if you don't care to?

The only way you lefties can get this to happen is by compulsion on
everyone, heavy uneconomic penalties or even worse shut the business
outright for 2 days. What you're against is competition between
employees Chuck?? & well that about sums the monopolist unions to a tee.

I would bet dollars to doughnuts that you don't have a legitimate job
and haven't had one for many years. Who the hell would hire you, anyway?


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Gould 0738 wrote:
Do you enjoy weekends off?

Yep absolutely but I want to retain the right to work & earn over the
weekend if I choose.


You missed the point by a mile: How about the right *not* to work on the
weekends if you don't care to?

The only way you lefties can get this to happen is by compulsion on
everyone, heavy uneconomic penalties or even worse shut the business
outright for 2 days. What you're against is competition between
employees Chuck?? & well that about sums the monopolist unions to a tee.

How about getting paid extra per hour when your
employer insists that you work more hours during a week than he or she told you
the job schedule involved when you were hired on?

Chuck you can leave if you're not happy. Here's the news Chuck little
places get going by being flexible in all manner of ways, the big blokes
fear this because they know as they get huge so too their overheads. So
the big blokes always give in to the union bullies just so long as they
know the union thugs will make sure there's never any competition big or
small in the market place over labour. The end result is people who want
extra money, are cleverer or even just harder workers are discouraged &
slackers like Harry get protected from them.

End result is less GDP & well if you want proof have a look at any big
US unionised operations, they're all suffering from the hangerson, the
endless imposts from the lefty bureaucrats, the union "demands" the
infinitely rising costs of their inputs because their suppliers are on
the same mouse wheel. Don't blame the imports your reaction is just more
monopoly for your vested interests.


It's about control so "I"have to conform to "their"
wishes I mean they're about stopping any competition in any manner.


At first I thought you must have speaking about your employer. :-)

But nice:-)


Is competition good? Most of us think so.
Collective bargaining allows a wage earner to compete with his employer's
claims to the fruits of his or her labor.

Gees louise do you really believe this!! The employee has no rights
whatsoever to the "fruits". The employee took no risk, invested nothing
& ongoing never is exposed to loosing everything, even if they do
something totally off the wall. The employee is entitled to sell their
labour for as much as they can get for it on what that individual is
worth. Sometimes ostensibly the exact same persons are worth totally
different amounts for their efforts just because one has a better more
productive attitude & the employer should have the right to recognise &
reward or not that fact.


When you do an hour's work, some
portion of the wealth you produce is set aside for you, and the rest belongs to
your employer. Naturally, you and your employer both want the larger portion.
Dividing the fruits of you labor is what bargaining with an employer is all
about.

No way Chuck you're glossing over the fact that the union wants
everybody paid the same for the same job & this is asking for exactly
what manufacturing has got.


Paid vacation?

Yep absolutely but I want to retain the right to work & earn over them
if I choose. It's about control see above.


Whoosh! The point flies overhead again.
You think anybody got a paid vacation before workers organized and bargained
for it? The very *choice* that you're looking for is only available because you
get a vacation in the first place.

Gee you believe your own propaganda you really do. What we need is for
people to be hungry not just for the weekly wage but to gather up enough
to compete with the employer, most industries even seemingly big ones
(marine engines??), this is actually possible but people find it easier
to just sit back & hide behind the union thugs like Harry.

And it should be your choice, not your
employers. Imagine the hearing the following conversation:

"Oh, by the way, Smith, we'll need you to come in three hours early next
Monday."

"Monday? Mr. Smith and I are leaving for Hawaii on Friday night! It's my annual
vacation! It's been on the schedule for six months or more!"

"Sorry, Smith. We pay you to produce widgets, not sit on the beach in Hawaii.
Looks like you'll have to cancel the vacation, or if you prefer I'll just hire
somebody else to take your job."

Come on Chuck who do you think you're talking to; Harry?? I'll be
sitting on a beach sipping diet coke on Monday morning & you'll be still
here struggling to try & get some productivity from that lying dope
Harry. You do as you please regards my job, but fair warning I'm just an
employee & a totally free agent with my labour, so I will take that job
offer from competitor X & I will be as loyal & hard working for them as
I was for you including giving them the benefits of my experience &
inside knowledge built up here.

employer: You're a smartarse Karen:-) but have a nice time & see you
when you get back.

See it's only the dead weight hangerson that they don't really want
anyway that get treated as you fantasise Chuck; good employees are very
hard to find, are valued & usually paid extra & never ever allowed to
leave over trivia. A unionist is usually a slacker who needs the union
thug Harry types for protection from their own behaviour.

When an employer has *all* the horsepower in a relationship, it's not possible
to negotiate anything.


Health insurance?

Yep absolutely but I want to retain the right to take care of my own if


I choose & be paid the gross amount I'm entitled to.


Whoosh, whoosh, whoosh! You sincerely believe that if an employer wasn't
required to fund health insurance for his or her employees that the employer
would pass all of the corresponding savings on to the employees?

The employer doesn't "fund" health insurance nor super you the employee
do, it's money spent as a part of your employment contract just as
income tax is. Given recent history it's money you've earnt then had
others **** against the wall for you, it's gone done the drain in huge
amounts much worse than any private investment ever could have. Besides
some people actually need that money & would have better lives for it,
but no no you socialists know what's best & how others should live their
lives, so instead of being ashamed of yourselves you gather together &
pretend you're "good people".


"Let's see
here- cancelling the company health insurance improved the company bottom line
$275k per year.
What shall I do with that? Invest it in offshore oil drilling futures and hope
for a 90% return, or pass it along to the line workers? Hmmm. Such a dilemna
for most folks!"

You have absolutely no concept of competition for labour do you Chuck??
none. Corps don't exist Chuck they're manufactured by the law (bits of
paper) to encourage people to take risks, invest & hopefully employ,
once anyone sees someone else making money for jam, this again hopefully
leads to others setting up Co's in competition & that's what keeps the
whole system honest & going; competition, not union monopolies &
uneducated thugs like Harry.


I don't need
somebody else making decisions about how or where I spend the money I've
earnt, honestly are you so simple you do???


??? I'm self employed, and don't belong to a union. As far as being simple and
needing decisions made for me....my wife seems to think that'w her role a lot
of times. :-)


Reasonable access to address on-the-job grievances or some avenue of appeal

for

unfair personnel decisions by your employer?


No not really, lots of potential "employers" are funny people so they
don't employ these days because they can't run their business the way
they want to. So sorry if they can hire they can fire, if you don't want
to work there fine ..... don't.


So, two weeks before you've earned your pension (oops, sorry- no union job
probably no pension either)

Earned your pension?? this is akin to slavery Chuck, you should & do
have your pension arranged regardless. If you're a little lazy or slow
your pension can go into a union "recommended" fund week by week or a
Company fund but as I said I'd prefer to take care of my own planning
just as you do yes???

the boss' 21 year old son who gets to play
"manager" in Daddy's plant calls you into his office and says your work is no
longer acceptable. He's hired another person to do your job.
(The other person works for several dollars per hour less, and isn't about to
cost the company big $$$ by becoming fully vested in the retirement fund)
"Smith, I'm really sorry, but since we hired you we have the right to fire you,
and I'm afraid we'll have to let you go."

Chuck this is fanciful but possible however that Co will suffer if that
is the wrong decision & will have trouble hiring longer term employees
plus the rest will be grumbly & less productive.

I have to add for your consideration though; you assume the near
retiree was any good because have you ever heard the union tell the
truth about one of these stories?? Like for the last 2 yrs maybe this
person has effectively retired at work, they're just clock watching till
retirement day, the rest of the staff see us tolerating this out of
kindness but now they're slacking off also & hooly dooly they might take
the same attitude as they near retirement???. The 21 yo bosses son??
well it's a measure of the father that he's not really much good if he
just hands it over without making the kid work his way up through the
ranks so it's no surprise I guess the father has let your near retiree
get away with murder, because after all these years he's part of the
furniture & even maybe a golf buddy. Be careful Chuck rotten apples are
rotten apples but they all started as fresh rosy nice apples once.

The son might be exactly right & the Co might be much better off very
publicly getting rid of your example along with a few others of his
union malcontent click.


Since the boss's son represents the employer, whatever he says has to go,
right?

.............(from this point on, most of Karen's post centers around her feud
with Harry. Won't bother to respond).......

Thanks Chuck it's good to see at least you can try to justify your
team's behaviour.

Do you get dragnet there?? the gay bloke tells the cop "I play for the
other team" cop says; "you're from Canada??" :-)

K

Harry Krause wrote:

K Smith wrote:


Harry Krause wrote:

K Smith wrote:




Oh you mean the ONLY 80HP diesel OB you've ever seen??


Well, I haven't actually seen it, Karen. All you've posted are some
****-poor photos that show a rusting hunkajunk that looks like an old
Chrysler outboard on steroids. I have seen a Yanmar diesel outboard,
though, of something like 35 or 40 hp, and it didn't look anything like
that piece of crap hanging on the back of your piece of crap boat.

No they wouldn't because they didn't design anew


You didn't design anew, either. You took someone else's diesel and
bolted it onto the ugliest lower unit I have ever seen. The Yanmar is a
manufactured product; yours is a hunka junk.

Gee you're hard on the new people Harry, so what Mercruisers are easy
because they use a GM core?? Honda OBs when they first started used the
civic engine & whey bought the lower leg/gearbox from Merc, so all they
made was the centre section (still no mean feat I can assure you:-))

But here I am with our own complete housings, transmission(s), sealed
heat exchanger cooling system AND it offers a way forward if you want to
build bigger OBs diesel or petrol that are instantly EPA compliant & you
say it's easy??? Damn I guess that's why everybody else is doing it??

See this is the socialist way you've never done a solitary thing with
your sad failed life so now you make up stories of how you wish your
life might have been, i.e.

(i) Harry's childhood playing in your father's 30 yrs long boat
dealership, playing in all manner of boats. His father was a hero also &
got a firetug water welcome into New York harbour having cross the
Atlantic in an OB power 22ftr!!! BS no trace whatsoever of any of it &
you've NEVER given any independently verifiable material.

(ii) Got a good education & did 3 yrs of medicine then decided you were
better than that so got 4 degrees & a couple of masters in gobbledygook
artie farty crap. All BS over the yrs many have tried to verify you even
attended a tertiary institution & nothing. Mental institutions might
yield something??

(iii) Sailed all over the world, all the trips people dream of; the Horn
X 2, Panama canal, Hawaii, & not just sailed either; you included long
offshore passages in command of motor boats. Total BS can't ever enter a
sailing thread, not even a coastal nav thread let alone celest. Lies
upon lies

(iv) Became so independently wealthy that you gave your father's $3 mil
inheritance to charity (lots of hooch in the 70s). You like most
socialists are totally consumed with envy for the rich so lie about
having been rich but then gave it all away, movie BS nothing more.

(v) Became a wealthy success as a teacher?? hmmm a first. What can I
say you've claimed all sorts of masters degrees yet you were a part time
teacher?? lies upon lies nothing more.

(vi) Are a writer but nothing other than a magazine piece is published
It's a union related story so that is about right you're nothing but a
sad failed union thug.

(vii) Became obsessed by your treating therapist (probably court
ordered) so much so that you made up a fantasy that this 20 yrs younger
mental health worker was actually your wife!!! I mean honestly does
anyone else watch the sopranos???

(viii) Have owned many boats during you NG time, from a 43 Hatt to
current 2 boats a 36' "lobster" boat you had architect designed & custom
built to your needs & a Parker 26' never one of them independently
verified & whenever an enquirer got close you fabricate some equally
unbelievable BS as to how if just vanished into thin air on the day:-)
Pathetic really pathetic.

(ix) See yourself as the caped crusader & make up a lie about using your
fantasy truck to break the leg of a bloke you say was robbing your
house; in the real world Harry you'd still be doing time for that.

(x) Openly boast here about stalking another NG member, Madcow

(xi) Are known here & in a multitude of NGs as a seriously mentally ill
liar & after the Madcow episode a dangerous person.




they tried to put a

diesel OB together in the same manner a 2 stroke petrol is. This meant
they couldn't go much bigger that 38HP, it took me & my blokes


to

actually design & build bigger full OB diesels


You've never provided a shred of proof that *you* had anything to do
with the design of anything. It's just bullship, all of it.

Well I know I'll regret giving you this bone but seeing I made a claim
& you are challenging it I'll show you exactly how it works so that even
you might understand you can't just make claims & never be able to back
any of them up. I'll suggest you get off your sad socialist arse & do
some actual checking instead of looking at your pedophile stuff all day.

Maybe you can start with me personally?? try the uspto you should find
some live trade marks yes Harry, even in the US (e.g. 2422589) then try
the same in Aus, you'll find I've included our boats there, gee Harry if
you can get yourself up off the floor after that, try the Aus co
registers for my trademark+marine pty ltd & you'll find me again as a
real person the MD & owner over many years.

Do you now see how it works Harry?? We all like to keep our privacy,
however people who make public claims of this or that & are telling the
truth can usually give something to independently verify if pressed, but
you can't not even for things as trivial as having gone to school or
owning a boat. You're a liar end of story.


By the way; several more

have been built & that one is still going although it's still a test bed
so has had lots of changes along the way.


Are they winners of the Industrial Ugly Award, too?

Didn't enter, not into sports:-) but gee it's a bloody engine Harry &
given they're the only ones of their type I suppose that's your right to
like the look of or no. The thing is they pre-date Ficht & have worked
over thousands of hours, have created employment not lost thousands of
jobs & I've suggest many dead Fichts have been towed in by reliable IB
or IB/OB diesels all over the world. What can I say:-) I told you so!!!

K

K Smith wrote:

Absolutely nothing worth the oxygen breathed during its typing.

I don't think I have ever seen so many lines of gibberish written about
so little.

Good grief, woman, do you not have anything better to do with your
wretched existence than post your interminable diatribes on issues
which, judging their "content" you have less comprehension than
experience or insight ...

Don't be an ass all your life, take a day off.

Rick