Boy, you guys never quit! Amazing.

Poor old Harold still wants a communist government.

Why should the government support alternative energy research? That's
rightly in the perview of the public, not government.

Still can't believe that we know "government" funding means more
socialism? We're on to that also you dick.

Why should the government support alternative energy research? That's
rightly in the perview of the public, not government.

Whose interests should the government represent, if not "the public"?

We need either:

1. A minimalist government that performs *only* those specific functions
outlined in the Constitution. Many people, (self included) would be just fine
with this, but our political system discourages it. The more aspects of life
the government can become invovled with, the more powerful and self
perpetuating a position in that government becomes.

OR....

2. We need a government that is not so blatantly for sale every few years. We
have a system where everybody just expects that the government is corrupt, and
a couple of parties squabbling over who gets the largest portion of the fruits
of that corruption. The upper classes and capital
like some of the ways that one party pulls milk from the corrupt government
udder, while the middle classes and labor more predictably prefer the methods
of the other party. If we're going to have government screwing with every
aspect of our lives, it should be doing so impartially- but it makes no
pretense of being politically impartial and most likely never will.

Why should the government support alternative energy research? That's
rightly in the perview of the public, not government.

heh heh who made this intelligent (NOT) remark?




Gould 0738 wrote:
Whose interests should the government represent, if not "the public"?

'zactly.


We need either:

1. A minimalist government that performs *only* those specific functions
outlined in the Constitution. Many people, (self included) would be just fine
with this, but our political system discourages it. The more aspects of life
the government can become invovled with, the more powerful and self
perpetuating a position in that government becomes.

Agreed, but there's a bit more to it than that. Nobody ever went to testify to
Congress that the gov't should spend LESS money on a given problem. There is
supposed to be a check & balance here in that voters can remove fiscally
irresponsible members of the gov't, but with the advent of mass media and
scientific advertising, people vote for whoever has the biggest campaign budget.



OR....

2. We need a government that is not so blatantly for sale every few years. We
have a system where everybody just expects that the government is corrupt

I disagree. Not everybody expects the U.S. gov't to be corrupt, nor the states, in
fact I'd suggest that by comparison to muchof the rest of the world, we have a
very low rate of corruption. And gov't officials do respond to the threat of
public exposure.

I suggest that what we need the most are slightly more intelligent voters (or
perhaps just better informed), with slightly longer memories.

Regards- Doug King

"leggester" wrote in message
om...
Boy, you guys never quit! Amazing.

Poor old Harold still wants a communist government.

Why should the government support alternative energy research? That's
rightly in the perview of the public, not government.

Clue: Courtesy of you and I, the government sends troops anyplace an
American corporation might be threatened on an ongoing basis. Why shouldn't
the government pay its share of research into alternative energy?

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:24:21 +0000, Harry Krause wrote:



A BIG IDEA
By John Hightower

What if the White House and Congress were to do something sensible,
positive, visionary, and good for everyone, instead of ... well, you
know, the opposite of all of the above, as they've been doing?


This appears to be Typical North American concept: If Things are Going
Well, it's "The government is interfering too much with our lives!", but
if something Goes Wrong, it's "Why doesn't the Government DO something??"

If you want "energy independance", start at home. The average home "on the
grid" uses about 1.2 kw average (ie 30 kw-hrs per day) (This is in BC,
Canada. Donno about the rest of N.A, but I suspect it's at least this
much).The average home that's "off the grid" (ie uses solar, wind, etc. to
power the house) the figure is closer to 500 Watts (less than half!).

And we won't even GO INTO the blatant over-use of automobiles!

Lloyd