Harry Krause wrote:
K Smith wrote:


Jack Rye wrote:

Thanks for the reply Jack,


Sure blame everything on the unions.

I blame monopolies & that's how unions work, they create a monopoly
then behave in the worst of monopolist fashion. They are run in the main
by uneducated simpletons & I give you ex union heavy Harry as a classic
example.


Your ignorance says more about you than you realize.
Most of the younger "uneducated simpletons" I know who run unions have
bachelor's degrees, and several have master's degrees. Most of the older
generation of union leaders, the ones who have retired or are close to
retirement, were educated in the school of hard knocks, but some of them
managed to get college degrees, too.

On the other hand, *you* never completed college and got a degree, and
by the tone of your political posts here, I would posit that *you* are
the simpleton.

Well you see this is your problem Harry, I' let my understandings &
posts stand whereas you lie about just about everything including that
you are educated. The truth is you have no degrees indeed you're not
even literate.

In the past when others have tried there is no trace of you having even
attended any tertiary education. As you usually do you lie you want to
claim authority you just make up a lie like;

Education you have none "you've" claimed it often 3 yrs of medicine, 4
degrees & 2 masters BS you're a simpleton. So give the ins & outs so
your BS can be checked. I mean once when you were cornered you actually
claimed to have contacted your old uni & told them not to release
anything , even that you were there!!! What a hopeless lying turd you are.

Boat?? No way you never have & certainly don't now. All your boat lies
are just your usual lying MO so you can claim authority. You were caught
red handed with the Hatt, the seapro the lobster boat & now the parker.
I'm sure given your obvious mental illness, you see carrying off these
lies as a triumph, trouble is all you manage to prove with them these
days is that the lefties are the only ones simple enough to believe you
& well if you think that's a triumph I guess you need more pills.

The jetski you were making the usual nuisance of yourself in the jetski
NG so claimed to own one, again another of your sad lies.

Guns you want to have a go at gun owners but again that gets tricky
unless you claim to know something so hey you lie again & claim to be a
sports shooter & not just any either of course but a prize winner. (Why
not you lie about everything even down to claiming to be a semi pro
racing car driver; what a giggle!!)

You want to **** can Kansas so you lie about having been to school there
again nobody can find any evidence at all, not your results but just
ever having been there.

I don't make claims Harry so you can't ask for details but you do you
lie & every time you get caught out as the liar you are.




The so called environment problems, global warming & all the other BS
is just BS & nothing more.


Yep. More evidence that you are an ignorant simpleton.


The world has never had so many people, so

much safe food, such long life expectancies, infant survival rates, etc
etc etc The biggest problem really is aids & guess what you've almost
got that managable, what union was involved??? None?? it was free
enterprise driven by the profit motive, which got there & mostly always
will.



ot any paten
So, Karen...got a degree? Got any job experience? Got anything at all
beyond your potty mouth?

As usual because you are so illiterate & uneducated you can't even
formulate a rejoinder. To think scum like you are still running around
spruiking honest american workers out of union fees so they pay for you
to loose them their jobs.


BTW, I happened to come across that photo of your boat.

Yep what a honey & well at least I actually own a boat, you know
registered provable etc. Unlike you who can only tell lies & make up
over the top claims.

What a wreck.

Over the years she's had an interesting career unlike you, but hey
she's still doing sterling service as a test bed, again unlike you.

How can you possible make judgments about the boats of others, when the
one you own is a derelict that looks like someone with no experience in
nautical design put together from three leftover wrecks?

Actually she's one on the most famous designs down here & many are
still being used commercially as she was once.

And that
oil-puffing, rust-covered piece-of-crap diesel outboard on the transom?

Oh you mean the ONLY 80HP diesel OB you've ever seen?? that one the
real one?? belonging to me that we designed & built?? the one that
actually exists?? unlike you fantasy lie boats?? the one with a
checkable trade name & everything?? Yes it's a testament to the blokes &
you nor your lying dealer mates didn't even know of my diesel OBs till
the pic went on the recboats page what in 98?? By the way; several more
have been built & that one is still going although it's still a test bed
so has had lots of changes along the way.

If Australia has an EPA, you ought to be on its hit list with that
slapped together bucket of bolts.

We have pretty regular contact with the state EPA about lots of things
but I doubt they'd have any concerns with the motors, gee no oil in the
fuel, completely sealed cooling, no smoke, no smell, no damage done to
anyone ..... except you!! you sad jealous limp old man.

Anyway


K


By the way here's your attempt to explain why nobody despite great
effort could uncover even your attendance at a kids school let alone a
proper tertiary education. If anyone actually believes this of a student
from 30 yrs ago they're as simple as you, whereupon people probably pure
ice water in their ears. Now if they checked dishonest lying union bully
boys ending citizens jobs on mass??? I bet they'd find you in a flash.

As a matter of fact, as I mentioned last week, I had some email from one
university that knows me well, and the registrar's office reiterated its
policy of no release of data without permission.

"K Smith" wrote in message
...

You simpleton it's you & your union thug mates that have caused most of
the problems, to suggest they could in any manner be a part of any
solution is gall even for you!!!...


Where did THAT come from???

Holy smokes....what a troll.

"K Smith" wrote in message
...


China & Rkor are already starting the "demand" more & particularly
China will ultimately fail or dump communism, but whatever if the west's
market clought can raise their standards of living even just slightly
the market for the wests goods will be huge.

China!?! The country whose environmental regulation of industry is best
described as "What? Huh?" The country where people are put to death for
petty theft, unless their family is well connected? That China?

No thanks. I don't want my money going there. I don't buy the crap about how
an influx of money will drag them kicking and screaming into a world of
better behavior.

"Charles" wrote in message
...


Harry Krause wrote:

A BIG IDEA
By John Hightower

Hightower was a unsuccessful liberal talk radio host.

A big idea from one loser to another... Kinda like quoting Rush
Limbaugh...

-- Charlie

You're right. There's nothing we can do to to make a better world. We should
avoid thinking about it as much as possible. Better to stay home, eat potato
chips and watch Homer.

On 24 Oct 2003 04:34:27 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Oh SAVE us Unions, save us.

LOL

The unions have already done quite a bit to
"save" you.

Do you enjoy weekends off?
Paid vacation?
Health insurance?
Reasonable access to address on-the-job grievances or some avenue of appeal for

unfair personnel decisions by your employer?
Do you enjoy a company retirement plan?
Is there on-the-job training available to you to help you advance in your
career and improve your skills?


Spare me Hoffa. I enjoy all of these things. I'm not in a union. My
employer provides them for me because i'm worth it (at least right now
i am). If they didn't, they know i'd go somewhere else.

Unions nowadays are just as corrupt as the corporations they were
formed against. The sad thing is that in the end, the hardworking
American is going to one who ultimately pays.

K Smith wrote:



Oh you mean the ONLY 80HP diesel OB you've ever seen??

Well, I haven't actually seen it, Karen. All you've posted are some
****-poor photos that show a rusting hunkajunk that looks like an old
Chrysler outboard on steroids. I have seen a Yanmar diesel outboard,
though, of something like 35 or 40 hp, and it didn't look anything like
that piece of crap hanging on the back of your piece of crap boat.


By the way; several more
have been built & that one is still going although it's still a test bed
so has had lots of changes along the way.



Have you figured out which alloys to use that don't rust in salt water?



--
__________________________________________________ __________
Email sent to will never reach me.

"liberals in a nutshell"?

What a stereotypical thing to say.

Difference between us....I conclude you made such a stupid, sweeping statement
because of you personal prejudices and misconceptions. Has nothing to do with
your political philosophy. There are some
conservatives who are deep thinking, sincere, individuals. They would never
presume that all liberals could be stuffed into a "nutshell."

Spare me Hoffa. I enjoy all of these things. I'm not in a union.

And so do millions of Americans who do not belong to unions.

Employers provide benefits so that they can offer a competitive employment
package and avoid losing good help to competitors with paid vacation, sick
leave, medical benefits, overtime after 40, etc.

My
employer provides them for me because i'm worth it (at least right now
i am). If they didn't, they know i'd go somewhere else.



EXACTLY! :-)

Jack Rye wrote:
I hate people that can't sum up their thoughts in a coherent statement.
Instead Morons like you, need to reply to individual statements with whole
paragraphs of misinformed diluted ideas.

gee you're not too bad yourself Jack :-)


If for one minute you believe that a corporation has your best interest in
mind. You really are lost. Corporations don't give a dam about you, towns,
environment, countries, or their employees. They only care about the
bottom line, stock price, dividend, and whether or not they are going to get
their bonuses. Wal-Mart is a perfect example of how companies will screw
anyone over just to make a profit. Take a look at the thriving towns in
America where they have put everyone out of business. All you see are This
space for rent. Which is the republican success symbol.

I never said corps had "your" best interests at heart they don't & why
should they?? or is this just more of your socialistic crap about
somebody owing you something for nothing??


R+D is a way to manufacture jobs, Not selling the same crap for years.
Without R+D you have a stagnant economy. Consumers get the same low quality
crap at a higher price. Sure it may come in a new color or have an added
bell or whistle. But it's the same inefficient bogus crap that been
marketed in a new and exciting way.

R&D is OK & as you say necessary, but what's your point?? Do you think
if there was a market for things Corps wouldn't try to exploit it?? of
course they would & most real advances have been driven by the profit
motive which you of course see as evil, because you don't get something
for nothing.


I won't say that Unions have done a great job. They two are as flawed as the
corporations. Unions have made an impact on the companies bottom line by
insisting that children be excluded from the factory work place. improving
the safety of workers. and giving the workers benefits packages. The only
reason that Henry Ford paid his worker above scale pay was so they would be
able to buy his cars.

But you seem to know about Henry Ford's comments yet can't see the same
rationale when used globally. Lets cut to it Jack you & Harry are just
failed wasted lives, individuals who couldn't cut it even in the best
country on earth, so you don't change??? no you continue with the very
reason your lives were wasted, waiting & bleating, hoping somebody,
anybody might throw you a free bone, pathetic.


When it comes right down to it. Stagnation with Republican Voo Doo economics
giving the rich tax cuts, doesn't work. The money never trickles down. It
just makes people like you trickle down closer to poverty.

Taxes are a disincentive for the clever to do anything. Any Govt of any
colour just squanders collected taxes on pet projects for their
particular constituents, dems or repubs. So reduce taxes at least there
is more incentive for the actual GDP builders & less for the socialists
to waste.


I sure am glad that you and your children worked 15 hours a day in steel
mill and sweat shops instead attending the third grade.

Typical mantra of those with no real answers.


Have a wonderful migraine head ache comprehending the above.

Understanding where you're coming from & what you're really after is as
easy as looking through an open window.

K

Jack
"K Smith" wrote in message
...

Jack Rye wrote:

Thanks for the reply Jack,


Sure blame everything on the unions.

I blame monopolies & that's how unions work, they create a monopoly
then behave in the worst of monopolist fashion. They are run in the main
by uneducated simpletons & I give you ex union heavy Harry as a classic
example.

Keep shopping at Wal-Mart so the

illegal aliens will keep their jobs. Wal-Mart promotes BUY, MADE IN

AMERICA.

That's the biggest joke of them all. Take a look at where their

merchandise

comes from. Cheap foreign labor! Cheap foreign labor produces cheap

crap.

yes it's "cheap" foreign labour so what?? Try to look just past your
own front door. All the counties you complain about have to start out
somewhere because they have nothing & yes for a while the people will
work for almost nothing, but remember it's not "just" the workers, it's
the regulations, the councils (local authorities etc etc ) they're all
only too happy to see US Cos setup & start making stuff giving their
people jobs. However after a while just like your country people want
more, then the greenies start whining, the council wants a bigger cut
till after a while there are so many greedy socialist hangers on that
the once "cheap" thing isn't much cheaper than the made in the US brand.

The examples are Japan, Malaysia, Phil. Rkor,

The advantage to "you" is those countries are now huge consumers of
your wares, your computers & technology. They never would have been had
your market not been able to drag them up. The humanitarian benefits are
just a great free bonus.

China & Rkor are already starting the "demand" more & particularly
China will ultimately fail or dump communism, but whatever if the west's
market clought can raise their standards of living even just slightly
the market for the wests goods will be huge.

So free trade benefits everybody, except the union bullies who are just
Harry type simpletons.


Cleaning up the environment will lead to millions of jobs. When I look

at a

land fill. I see a natural resources not just the garbage you toss out.

No jack the environment is doing just fine, & cleaning it up as you
suggest will not add anything to GDP. It's just a union ploy to try &
deal themselves back into the game, after they almost singlehandedly
chased real manufacturing out of the US.

The so called environment problems, global warming & all the other BS
is just BS & nothing more. The world has never had so many people, so
much safe food, such long life expectancies, infant survival rates, etc
etc etc The biggest problem really is aids & guess what you've almost
got that managable, what union was involved??? None?? it was free
enterprise driven by the profit motive, which got there & mostly always
will.

I suspect you might be a child from your posts at least mentally, but
us proper grownups can remember the previous scare campaigns from the
simpleton left, our world was for sure, without any doubt going to run
out of food in the mid 80's according to the simpletons, the water was
gone etc etc etc In previous time the religious charlatons were the main
spruikers for this crap but these days almost any simpletons can have a
go. They don't have the where with all to be rational & love running in
packs so any cock & bull story that comes along to give them a cause, or
usually control over others, they grab it with both greedy hands,
trouble is it never stands rational examination.


This country is moving towards a society that will one day have a

country

cleaner than American Indians did. A society that has a 35 hour work

week

with more paid vacations and full health benefits. Just as soon as

people

like you, ask not what you can do for your county ask what the hell is

my

country spending my tax dollars on.

But you already have that!!! 300 mil people almost none live in
squalor. The aboriginals did& the died very very young on account of it.
Again stop running with the loons get off your sad arse & have look,
the world has never been in better shape, never.


You have the audacity to call others who think differently than your

moral

low IQ simpletons.

What else can it be??? It's all there for the looking but they still
run around trying to hold the world back & oops guess what it just
happens they know what's best & in Harry's union mates' case they want
their criminal power back now they've chased most manufacturing away.

When in fact it's people like you that where afraid of

the industrial revolution and the computer. Have another Martini and

swallow

a few more Valiums.

We're not the luddites it's your noisy crowd, gee we embrace
technology, I only need look at your post's full headers to see you
can't even work a computer, so again look before you yell.

It's only going to get better once the money grabbing

political hypocrites in Washington are strung up by their thumbs. I know
exactly where you stand. Sure give congress a pay raise. They deserve

it,

now that $750,000.00 is considered poverty.

It's call democracy Jack something you lefties don't like at all, if
the people don't like it they'll change as they regularly do, however
only the spruikers & union simpletons concentrate on the envy of another
blokes wage as reason they should have more, when in reality the only
thing holding you back from the same is you.

Best regards & thanks again.

K

I'm chuffed you answered so here's some more of Harry's lies for you,
see the type of simpletons you lemming like follow???

As far as your other complaints, well, almost every president in my

memory,

and I *remember* Truman, Eisenhower (who cheated on his wife), Kennedy,
Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush, lied and participated in
deceit to one degree or another, and on issues far more important than who
was giving them blow jobs.

Good lord. I met *every* president in the damned group except Bush, and I
worked once for his father.



Jack
"K Smith" wrote in message
...


Harry Krause wrote:


A BIG IDEA
By John Hightower

What if the White House and Congress were to do something sensible,
positive, visionary, and good for everyone, instead of ... well, you
know, the opposite of all of the above, as they've been doing?

Here's one big idea that would definitely be a plus for our people and
for future generations: Launch a 10-year, $300 billion, crash program

to

provide energy independence for America. This would be a nationwide
effort involving millions of us grassroots people to develop, build,

and

run a high-speed rail network, a distribution system for
hydrogen-powered cars, energy-efficient buildings and appliances,

solar-

and wind-power systems, and other means to kick our nation's costly oil
addiction.

It's called the Apollo Project, and it's a proposal that has been put
together by 10 unions, including steelworkers, auto workers, mine
workers, service employees, machinists, and electrical workers unions.
Among other good results, their bold plan can restore America's
manufacturing jobs, link blue-collar America with the environmental
movement, eliminate the need for more oil wars, build a sound energy
infrastructure for the future, spur a national construction boom,
stimulate the economy from the ground up, excite and unite workaday
Americans in a shared mission, and provide a positive model for the

rest

of the world.

Now that's sensible, positive, visionary, and good for everyone!

Froodle-doodle, cry the naysayers in the White House, Congress, and oil
corporations -- where are you going to get $300 billion to finance

this?

I say we should get it from where it went. Washington just doled out
$350 billion from our public treasury to enrich elites who were already
super-rich. Let's put $300 billion of that back in the treasury to
finance this Apollo program for the good of all, instead of watching

the

privileged stick it in foreign bank accounts or buy more mansions in

France.


To see the Apollo proposal for yourself, check out

www.apolloalliance.org.


You simpleton it's you & your union thug mates that have caused most of
the problems, to suggest they could in any manner be a part of any
solution is gall even for you!!!...



K

Harry Krause wrote:

K Smith wrote:



Oh you mean the ONLY 80HP diesel OB you've ever seen??


Well, I haven't actually seen it, Karen. All you've posted are some
****-poor photos that show a rusting hunkajunk that looks like an old
Chrysler outboard on steroids. I have seen a Yanmar diesel outboard,
though, of something like 35 or 40 hp, and it didn't look anything like
that piece of crap hanging on the back of your piece of crap boat.

No they wouldn't because they didn't design anew they tried to put a
diesel OB together in the same manner a 2 stroke petrol is. This meant
they couldn't go much bigger that 38HP, it took me & my blokes to
actually design & build bigger full OB diesels, which have no upper
limit given available diesel cores. Thanks for the headsup on that; even
if you're as dumb as dirt you occasionally fluke it.


By the way; several more

have been built & that one is still going although it's still a test bed
so has had lots of changes along the way.




Have you figured out which alloys to use that don't rust in salt water?

Hmmm I got into trouble years ago for telling you too much but the
short answer is "yes":-)

K