On 11/14/2015 8:24 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/14/15 7:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


Other than our deserting Israel, what's your Libertarian idea for
handing ISIS?


Don't know what Greg will say, but here's my suggestion:

Honor all formal agreements we have with our allies
and expect them to honor the agreements in return.

Think twice about what kind and who we sign any new agreements with.

Let non-allies, including those nations that are predominately
Muslim deal with Islamic fundamentalist movements like ISIS on their own.

The only reason we are involved is because we stick our nose where
it doesn't belong and we have little or no understanding of what
motivates the different, religious based Islamic followers.

If they attack us ... or any of our allies ... fight back hard, but
otherwise mind our own business.

If you are a journalist or world do-gooder and value your life, stay
the hell out of the areas of the world being controlled by the likes
of ISIS. Otherwise, don't expect your government to come and save your
ass or expect retaliation because you got killed.


"If they attack us..."

I'm not sure how we fight back hard, since the attackers are not
necessarily from a country with an actual government. Apparently the
attackers on Paris, or at least some of them, were Syrians. What do we
do? Invade Syria?


No. A response is dependent on good intel as to where the "brains"
(command and control) exist and take them out. If it happens to be
in Syria, so be it.

On 11/14/15 8:31 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/14/2015 8:24 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/14/15 7:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


Other than our deserting Israel, what's your Libertarian idea for
handing ISIS?


Don't know what Greg will say, but here's my suggestion:

Honor all formal agreements we have with our allies
and expect them to honor the agreements in return.

Think twice about what kind and who we sign any new agreements with.

Let non-allies, including those nations that are predominately
Muslim deal with Islamic fundamentalist movements like ISIS on their
own.

The only reason we are involved is because we stick our nose where
it doesn't belong and we have little or no understanding of what
motivates the different, religious based Islamic followers.

If they attack us ... or any of our allies ... fight back hard, but
otherwise mind our own business.

If you are a journalist or world do-gooder and value your life, stay
the hell out of the areas of the world being controlled by the likes
of ISIS. Otherwise, don't expect your government to come and save your
ass or expect retaliation because you got killed.


"If they attack us..."

I'm not sure how we fight back hard, since the attackers are not
necessarily from a country with an actual government. Apparently the
attackers on Paris, or at least some of them, were Syrians. What do we
do? Invade Syria?


No. A response is dependent on good intel as to where the "brains"
(command and control) exist and take them out. If it happens to be
in Syria, so be it.


I don't disagree, but it doesn't seem to solve the problem with this
terrorists. As soon as our drones or brave troops cut off one terrorist
head, so to speak, there are others that pop right out to take his
place. The tactic hasn't worked for us in Iraq or Syria, and it hasn't
worked for the Israelis.

On 11/14/15 10:43 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/14/15 8:31 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/14/2015 8:24 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/14/15 7:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


Other than our deserting Israel, what's your Libertarian idea for
handing ISIS?


Don't know what Greg will say, but here's my suggestion:

Honor all formal agreements we have with our allies
and expect them to honor the agreements in return.

Think twice about what kind and who we sign any new agreements with.

Let non-allies, including those nations that are predominately
Muslim deal with Islamic fundamentalist movements like ISIS on their
own.

The only reason we are involved is because we stick our nose where
it doesn't belong and we have little or no understanding of what
motivates the different, religious based Islamic followers.

If they attack us ... or any of our allies ... fight back hard, but
otherwise mind our own business.

If you are a journalist or world do-gooder and value your life, stay
the hell out of the areas of the world being controlled by the likes
of ISIS. Otherwise, don't expect your government to come and save your
ass or expect retaliation because you got killed.


"If they attack us..."

I'm not sure how we fight back hard, since the attackers are not
necessarily from a country with an actual government. Apparently the
attackers on Paris, or at least some of them, were Syrians. What do we
do? Invade Syria?


No. A response is dependent on good intel as to where the "brains"
(command and control) exist and take them out. If it happens to be
in Syria, so be it.


I don't disagree, but it doesn't seem to solve the problem with this
terrorists. As soon as our drones or brave troops cut off one terrorist
head, so to speak, there are others that pop right out to take his
place. The tactic hasn't worked for us in Iraq or Syria, and it hasn't
worked for the Israelis.


Then there is this from Ted Cruz, GOP POTUS wannabe:

"We must immediately recognize that our enemy is not ‘violent
extremism.’ It is the radical Islamism that has declared jihad against
the west. It will not be appeased by outreach or declarations of
tolerance. It will not be deterred by targeted airstrikes with zero
tolerance for civilian casualties, when the terrorists have such utter
disregard for innocent life."

Is Cruz saying we should have lots of airstrikes and not give a damn
about collateral damage - the killing of non-involved civilians?

What exactly is Cruz proposing?

On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 10:43:58 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 11/14/15 8:31 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

No. A response is dependent on good intel as to where the "brains"
(command and control) exist and take them out. If it happens to be
in Syria, so be it.


I don't disagree, but it doesn't seem to solve the problem with this
terrorists. As soon as our drones or brave troops cut off one terrorist
head, so to speak, there are others that pop right out to take his
place. The tactic hasn't worked for us in Iraq or Syria, and it hasn't
worked for the Israelis.

I agree. This is like running over cactus with a lawn mower or cutting
up star fish and throwing them back overboard.

On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 08:31:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/14/2015 8:24 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/14/15 7:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


Other than our deserting Israel, what's your Libertarian idea for
handing ISIS?


Don't know what Greg will say, but here's my suggestion:

Honor all formal agreements we have with our allies
and expect them to honor the agreements in return.

Think twice about what kind and who we sign any new agreements with.

Let non-allies, including those nations that are predominately
Muslim deal with Islamic fundamentalist movements like ISIS on their own.

The only reason we are involved is because we stick our nose where
it doesn't belong and we have little or no understanding of what
motivates the different, religious based Islamic followers.

If they attack us ... or any of our allies ... fight back hard, but
otherwise mind our own business.

If you are a journalist or world do-gooder and value your life, stay
the hell out of the areas of the world being controlled by the likes
of ISIS. Otherwise, don't expect your government to come and save your
ass or expect retaliation because you got killed.


"If they attack us..."

I'm not sure how we fight back hard, since the attackers are not
necessarily from a country with an actual government. Apparently the
attackers on Paris, or at least some of them, were Syrians. What do we
do? Invade Syria?


No. A response is dependent on good intel as to where the "brains"
(command and control) exist and take them out. If it happens to be
in Syria, so be it.

When you are talking about attacks like Paris, there wasn't a lot of
brain power involved. We have teenagers here who can come up with
plots that complicated in their bedroom. The major difference is the
attackers are suspected of being battle tested "freedom fighters" from
Syria who were better at shooting people.

I would not be shocked to hear that the blueprints for attacks like
this were on dark web sites, pretty hard to bomb.