On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 07:29:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/14/2015 7:09 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/14/15 12:29 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 17:59:09 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
John H. wrote:
...or juvenile delinquents.

Maybe the threat will be taken seriously.

And, doesn't France have some very stringent gun control laws?
Shame someone in the
concert wasn't carrying.

French borders closed. Should tell us something.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


This isn't the time for your right wing insanity.


Maybe not time for left wing insanity. Let a bunch of "refugees" from
Syria, etc. in?

France is lousy with militant muslims. It has been that way for a
while, certainly since the 50s when they had their "Algerian" problem.
Things are just heating up.
I think we ain't seen nothin yet. These terrorists have infiltrated
most of western Europe, hidden in with the refugees.


Other than our deserting Israel, what's your Libertarian idea for
handing ISIS?


Don't know what Greg will say, but here's my suggestion:

Honor all formal agreements we have with our allies
and expect them to honor the agreements in return.

Think twice about what kind and who we sign any new agreements with.

Let non-allies, including those nations that are predominately
Muslim deal with Islamic fundamentalist movements like ISIS on their own.

The only reason we are involved is because we stick our nose where
it doesn't belong and we have little or no understanding of what
motivates the different, religious based Islamic followers.

If they attack us ... or any of our allies ... fight back hard, but
otherwise mind our own business.

If you are a journalist or world do-gooder and value your life, stay
the hell out of the areas of the world being controlled by the likes
of ISIS. Otherwise, don't expect your government to come and save your
ass or expect retaliation because you got killed.

I'd add 'keep control of your borders'.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On 11/14/2015 7:35 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 07:29:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/14/2015 7:09 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/14/15 12:29 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 17:59:09 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
John H. wrote:
...or juvenile delinquents.

Maybe the threat will be taken seriously.

And, doesn't France have some very stringent gun control laws?
Shame someone in the
concert wasn't carrying.

French borders closed. Should tell us something.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


This isn't the time for your right wing insanity.


Maybe not time for left wing insanity. Let a bunch of "refugees" from
Syria, etc. in?

France is lousy with militant muslims. It has been that way for a
while, certainly since the 50s when they had their "Algerian" problem.
Things are just heating up.
I think we ain't seen nothin yet. These terrorists have infiltrated
most of western Europe, hidden in with the refugees.


Other than our deserting Israel, what's your Libertarian idea for
handing ISIS?


Don't know what Greg will say, but here's my suggestion:

Honor all formal agreements we have with our allies
and expect them to honor the agreements in return.

Think twice about what kind and who we sign any new agreements with.

Let non-allies, including those nations that are predominately
Muslim deal with Islamic fundamentalist movements like ISIS on their own.

The only reason we are involved is because we stick our nose where
it doesn't belong and we have little or no understanding of what
motivates the different, religious based Islamic followers.

If they attack us ... or any of our allies ... fight back hard, but
otherwise mind our own business.

If you are a journalist or world do-gooder and value your life, stay
the hell out of the areas of the world being controlled by the likes
of ISIS. Otherwise, don't expect your government to come and save your
ass or expect retaliation because you got killed.



I'd add 'keep control of your borders'.

How? Build the Great Trump Wall with the *huge*, "Beautiful" gate in
the middle for "legal" immigrants?

To parrot your solution for just about all the problems we have:

"Enforce existing laws".

On 11/14/2015 7:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/14/2015 7:35 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 07:29:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/14/2015 7:09 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/14/15 12:29 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 17:59:09 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
John H. wrote:
...or juvenile delinquents.

Maybe the threat will be taken seriously.

And, doesn't France have some very stringent gun control laws?
Shame someone in the
concert wasn't carrying.

French borders closed. Should tell us something.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


This isn't the time for your right wing insanity.


Maybe not time for left wing insanity. Let a bunch of "refugees"
from
Syria, etc. in?

France is lousy with militant muslims. It has been that way for a
while, certainly since the 50s when they had their "Algerian" problem.
Things are just heating up.
I think we ain't seen nothin yet. These terrorists have infiltrated
most of western Europe, hidden in with the refugees.


Other than our deserting Israel, what's your Libertarian idea for
handing ISIS?


Don't know what Greg will say, but here's my suggestion:

Honor all formal agreements we have with our allies
and expect them to honor the agreements in return.

Think twice about what kind and who we sign any new agreements with.

Let non-allies, including those nations that are predominately
Muslim deal with Islamic fundamentalist movements like ISIS on their
own.

The only reason we are involved is because we stick our nose where
it doesn't belong and we have little or no understanding of what
motivates the different, religious based Islamic followers.

If they attack us ... or any of our allies ... fight back hard, but
otherwise mind our own business.

If you are a journalist or world do-gooder and value your life, stay
the hell out of the areas of the world being controlled by the likes
of ISIS. Otherwise, don't expect your government to come and save your
ass or expect retaliation because you got killed.



I'd add 'keep control of your borders'.

How? Build the Great Trump Wall with the *huge*, "Beautiful" gate in
the middle for "legal" immigrants?

To parrot your solution for just about all the problems we have:

"Enforce existing laws".



And if that doesn't work, Amnesty for all.

On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 07:53:02 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/14/2015 7:35 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 07:29:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/14/2015 7:09 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/14/15 12:29 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 17:59:09 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
John H. wrote:
...or juvenile delinquents.

Maybe the threat will be taken seriously.

And, doesn't France have some very stringent gun control laws?
Shame someone in the
concert wasn't carrying.

French borders closed. Should tell us something.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


This isn't the time for your right wing insanity.


Maybe not time for left wing insanity. Let a bunch of "refugees" from
Syria, etc. in?

France is lousy with militant muslims. It has been that way for a
while, certainly since the 50s when they had their "Algerian" problem.
Things are just heating up.
I think we ain't seen nothin yet. These terrorists have infiltrated
most of western Europe, hidden in with the refugees.


Other than our deserting Israel, what's your Libertarian idea for
handing ISIS?


Don't know what Greg will say, but here's my suggestion:

Honor all formal agreements we have with our allies
and expect them to honor the agreements in return.

Think twice about what kind and who we sign any new agreements with.

Let non-allies, including those nations that are predominately
Muslim deal with Islamic fundamentalist movements like ISIS on their own.

The only reason we are involved is because we stick our nose where
it doesn't belong and we have little or no understanding of what
motivates the different, religious based Islamic followers.

If they attack us ... or any of our allies ... fight back hard, but
otherwise mind our own business.

If you are a journalist or world do-gooder and value your life, stay
the hell out of the areas of the world being controlled by the likes
of ISIS. Otherwise, don't expect your government to come and save your
ass or expect retaliation because you got killed.



I'd add 'keep control of your borders'.

How? Build the Great Trump Wall with the *huge*, "Beautiful" gate in
the middle for "legal" immigrants?

To parrot your solution for just about all the problems we have:

"Enforce existing laws".


Agreed. And put the resources there to do it. I'll bet a couple thousand more border
patrol, doing their job, would pay off in the long run. How much tax money goes to
the illegals here?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 07:53:02 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/14/2015 7:35 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 07:29:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/14/2015 7:09 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/14/15 12:29 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 17:59:09 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
John H. wrote:
...or juvenile delinquents.

Maybe the threat will be taken seriously.

And, doesn't France have some very stringent gun control laws?
Shame someone in the
concert wasn't carrying.

French borders closed. Should tell us something.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


This isn't the time for your right wing insanity.


Maybe not time for left wing insanity. Let a bunch of "refugees" from
Syria, etc. in?

France is lousy with militant muslims. It has been that way for a
while, certainly since the 50s when they had their "Algerian" problem.
Things are just heating up.
I think we ain't seen nothin yet. These terrorists have infiltrated
most of western Europe, hidden in with the refugees.


Other than our deserting Israel, what's your Libertarian idea for
handing ISIS?


Don't know what Greg will say, but here's my suggestion:

Honor all formal agreements we have with our allies
and expect them to honor the agreements in return.

Think twice about what kind and who we sign any new agreements with.

Let non-allies, including those nations that are predominately
Muslim deal with Islamic fundamentalist movements like ISIS on their own.

The only reason we are involved is because we stick our nose where
it doesn't belong and we have little or no understanding of what
motivates the different, religious based Islamic followers.

If they attack us ... or any of our allies ... fight back hard, but
otherwise mind our own business.

If you are a journalist or world do-gooder and value your life, stay
the hell out of the areas of the world being controlled by the likes
of ISIS. Otherwise, don't expect your government to come and save your
ass or expect retaliation because you got killed.



I'd add 'keep control of your borders'.

How? Build the Great Trump Wall with the *huge*, "Beautiful" gate in
the middle for "legal" immigrants?

To parrot your solution for just about all the problems we have:

"Enforce existing laws".


Agreed. And put the resources there to do it. I'll bet a couple thousand more border
patrol, doing their job, would pay off in the long run. How much tax money goes to
the illegals here?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


Want to fix the illegal problem? Easy! Just bring back a Bracero program.
Temporary work permits. Not a path to citizenship, which they do nothing
t want if they can come and work part of the year. We already do it with
H-1 visas, screwing those citizens with STEM degrees.

On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 16:29:44 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:


Want to fix the illegal problem? Easy! Just bring back a Bracero program.
Temporary work permits. Not a path to citizenship, which they do nothing
t want if they can come and work part of the year. We already do it with
H-1 visas, screwing those citizens with STEM degrees.

I would give a work permits to anyone who pays FICA taxes and stays
out of trouble.
The ironic thing is the IRS may actually be getting less money because
of the immigration crackdowns. Back when 3 or 4 people were using the
same SS# they were collecting withholding and FICA from all of them
and only one could actually file a return. The reality is they had to
have enough taken out to insure they didn't have to and nobody filed.
(those tax refunds stayed in DC) The FICA tax was first dollar and
they were never going to be able to collect benefits because they
would not have the documents to get by SSA.
A friend of mine had a lawn service and he knew most of his guys were
illegal. He still collected taxes and sent it in like they were. Every
year he got a letter from the IRS saying there might be a problem with
the SS# but they didn't really want him to do anything and it said in
big bold print "Do not use this letter as a reason to terminate the
employee"
They knew it would cost them money