wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:25:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 06:42:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 1:23 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:

What's to debate? You're in favor of sport hunting and I am not. I have
no desire or need to try to win you over to my side.

You lump,all hunting into sport hunting. Very narrow minded person.


Wrong again, Bilil. I don't believe all hunting is sport hunting.

I would draw that line at "trophy hunts" and I include fishermen in
that.
Fortunately actually killing trophy fish is on the decline, mostly
driven by the captains who make their living looking for these fish
for their customers.
"Mounts" are usually just a fiberglass replica anyway so now they
encourage taking measurements and maybe a picture, then returning the
fish to the water.

I think you could do the same thing for trophy hunters if you could
change the culture a little.

The reality is, that trophy buck is not anything you want to eat
anyway. You are a lot better off shooting "Bambi" for food and let the
buck go around making more Bambis.



Our deer wander through the yard almost daily, but know enough, somehow,
not to eat my wife's hostas until the fall. They do like rose petals,
though. Sometimes I shoot the deer...with a camera.

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.

Here, we have deer problems. Eat lots of the local foliage. They love
roses. Local nursery never has to prune their roses. There are about
10,000 deer killed by hunters, about a million killed by cars in Calif.

On 8/25/15 3:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:25:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 06:42:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 1:23 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:

What's to debate? You're in favor of sport hunting and I am not. I have
no desire or need to try to win you over to my side.

You lump,all hunting into sport hunting. Very narrow minded person.


Wrong again, Bilil. I don't believe all hunting is sport hunting.

I would draw that line at "trophy hunts" and I include fishermen in
that.
Fortunately actually killing trophy fish is on the decline, mostly
driven by the captains who make their living looking for these fish
for their customers.
"Mounts" are usually just a fiberglass replica anyway so now they
encourage taking measurements and maybe a picture, then returning the
fish to the water.

I think you could do the same thing for trophy hunters if you could
change the culture a little.

The reality is, that trophy buck is not anything you want to eat
anyway. You are a lot better off shooting "Bambi" for food and let the
buck go around making more Bambis.



Our deer wander through the yard almost daily, but know enough, somehow,
not to eat my wife's hostas until the fall. They do like rose petals,
though. Sometimes I shoot the deer...with a camera.

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.

Here, we have deer problems. Eat lots of the local foliage. They love
roses. Local nursery never has to prune their roses. There are about
10,000 deer killed by hunters, about a million killed by cars in Calif.



When you say "deer problems," you mean the problems created by mankind
encroaching on their environment and leaving them little option but to
forage and, of course, mankind has also killed off many of the natural
predators of deer.

It's not a deer problem except in the abstract. It's a people problem.

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 3:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:25:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 06:42:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 1:23 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:

What's to debate? You're in favor of sport hunting and I am not. I have
no desire or need to try to win you over to my side.

You lump,all hunting into sport hunting. Very narrow minded person.


Wrong again, Bilil. I don't believe all hunting is sport hunting.

I would draw that line at "trophy hunts" and I include fishermen in
that.
Fortunately actually killing trophy fish is on the decline, mostly
driven by the captains who make their living looking for these fish
for their customers.
"Mounts" are usually just a fiberglass replica anyway so now they
encourage taking measurements and maybe a picture, then returning the
fish to the water.

I think you could do the same thing for trophy hunters if you could
change the culture a little.

The reality is, that trophy buck is not anything you want to eat
anyway. You are a lot better off shooting "Bambi" for food and let the
buck go around making more Bambis.



Our deer wander through the yard almost daily, but know enough, somehow,
not to eat my wife's hostas until the fall. They do like rose petals,
though. Sometimes I shoot the deer...with a camera.

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.

Here, we have deer problems. Eat lots of the local foliage. They love
roses. Local nursery never has to prune their roses. There are about
10,000 deer killed by hunters, about a million killed by cars in Calif.



When you say "deer problems," you mean the problems created by mankind
encroaching on their environment and leaving them little option but to
forage and, of course, mankind has also killed off many of the natural predators of deer.

It's not a deer problem except in the abstract. It's a people problem.

Well, move out of your country area.

On 8/25/15 4:02 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 3:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:25:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 06:42:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 1:23 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:

What's to debate? You're in favor of sport hunting and I am not. I have
no desire or need to try to win you over to my side.

You lump,all hunting into sport hunting. Very narrow minded person.


Wrong again, Bilil. I don't believe all hunting is sport hunting.

I would draw that line at "trophy hunts" and I include fishermen in
that.
Fortunately actually killing trophy fish is on the decline, mostly
driven by the captains who make their living looking for these fish
for their customers.
"Mounts" are usually just a fiberglass replica anyway so now they
encourage taking measurements and maybe a picture, then returning the
fish to the water.

I think you could do the same thing for trophy hunters if you could
change the culture a little.

The reality is, that trophy buck is not anything you want to eat
anyway. You are a lot better off shooting "Bambi" for food and let the
buck go around making more Bambis.



Our deer wander through the yard almost daily, but know enough, somehow,
not to eat my wife's hostas until the fall. They do like rose petals,
though. Sometimes I shoot the deer...with a camera.

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.

Here, we have deer problems. Eat lots of the local foliage. They love
roses. Local nursery never has to prune their roses. There are about
10,000 deer killed by hunters, about a million killed by cars in Calif.



When you say "deer problems," you mean the problems created by mankind
encroaching on their environment and leaving them little option but to
forage and, of course, mankind has also killed off many of the natural predators of deer.

It's not a deer problem except in the abstract. It's a people problem.

Well, move out of your country area.



We don't have a deer problem, other than the occasional car-deer
collision. They're pretty and graceful animals, and my wife doesn't
begrudge them their snacks from her gardens and flowers. Further, I'm
reasonably sure they smell better than the guys who hunt them.

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 4:02 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 3:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:25:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 06:42:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 1:23 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:

What's to debate? You're in favor of sport hunting and I am not. I have
no desire or need to try to win you over to my side.

You lump,all hunting into sport hunting. Very narrow minded person.


Wrong again, Bilil. I don't believe all hunting is sport hunting.

I would draw that line at "trophy hunts" and I include fishermen in
that.
Fortunately actually killing trophy fish is on the decline, mostly
driven by the captains who make their living looking for these fish
for their customers.
"Mounts" are usually just a fiberglass replica anyway so now they
encourage taking measurements and maybe a picture, then returning the
fish to the water.

I think you could do the same thing for trophy hunters if you could
change the culture a little.

The reality is, that trophy buck is not anything you want to eat
anyway. You are a lot better off shooting "Bambi" for food and let the
buck go around making more Bambis.



Our deer wander through the yard almost daily, but know enough, somehow,
not to eat my wife's hostas until the fall. They do like rose petals,
though. Sometimes I shoot the deer...with a camera.

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.

Here, we have deer problems. Eat lots of the local foliage. They love
roses. Local nursery never has to prune their roses. There are about
10,000 deer killed by hunters, about a million killed by cars in Calif.



When you say "deer problems," you mean the problems created by mankind
encroaching on their environment and leaving them little option but to
forage and, of course, mankind has also killed off many of the natural predators of deer.

It's not a deer problem except in the abstract. It's a people problem.

Well, move out of your country area.



We don't have a deer problem, other than the occasional car-deer
collision. They're pretty and graceful animals, and my wife doesn't
begrudge them their snacks from her gardens and flowers. Further, I'm
reasonably sure they smell better than the guys who hunt them.

Ou encroach on their habitat.

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 15:02:35 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 3:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:25:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 06:42:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 1:23 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:

What's to debate? You're in favor of sport hunting and I am not. I have
no desire or need to try to win you over to my side.

You lump,all hunting into sport hunting. Very narrow minded person.


Wrong again, Bilil. I don't believe all hunting is sport hunting.

I would draw that line at "trophy hunts" and I include fishermen in
that.
Fortunately actually killing trophy fish is on the decline, mostly
driven by the captains who make their living looking for these fish
for their customers.
"Mounts" are usually just a fiberglass replica anyway so now they
encourage taking measurements and maybe a picture, then returning the
fish to the water.

I think you could do the same thing for trophy hunters if you could
change the culture a little.

The reality is, that trophy buck is not anything you want to eat
anyway. You are a lot better off shooting "Bambi" for food and let the
buck go around making more Bambis.



Our deer wander through the yard almost daily, but know enough, somehow,
not to eat my wife's hostas until the fall. They do like rose petals,
though. Sometimes I shoot the deer...with a camera.

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.

Here, we have deer problems. Eat lots of the local foliage. They love
roses. Local nursery never has to prune their roses. There are about
10,000 deer killed by hunters, about a million killed by cars in Calif.



When you say "deer problems," you mean the problems created by mankind
encroaching on their environment and leaving them little option but to
forage and, of course, mankind has also killed off many of the natural predators of deer.

It's not a deer problem except in the abstract. It's a people problem.

Well, move out of your country area.

20 million illegal encroaching aliens make the problem even worse.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 15:44:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

When you say "deer problems," you mean the problems created by mankind
encroaching on their environment and leaving them little option but to
forage and, of course, mankind has also killed off many of the natural
predators of deer.

The predator issue is true but deer have moved into suburban and even
urban areas because there is a lot of easy food there. They are simply
exploiting the food supply and in that sense they are 170 pound rats.
There are more deer in the US now than there were when the pilgrims
landed.
I damn near hit one on the Whitehurst Freeway in DC one night.
I am not sure that was not encroaching in their environment. They
were encroaching on ours.

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 14:38:44 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.

Here, we have deer problems. Eat lots of the local foliage. They love
roses. Local nursery never has to prune their roses. There are about
10,000 deer killed by hunters, about a million killed by cars in Calif.

The white tail dear is the most dangerous animal in the US killing
more people than all the other "dangerous" animals put together
including sharks, bears, cougars, snakes and the various stinging
insects.

They kill people in cars.

On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 1:38:40 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 14:38:44 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.

Here, we have deer problems. Eat lots of the local foliage. They love
roses. Local nursery never has to prune their roses. There are about
10,000 deer killed by hunters, about a million killed by cars in Calif.

The white tail dear is the most dangerous animal in the US killing
more people than all the other "dangerous" animals put together
including sharks, bears, cougars, snakes and the various stinging
insects.

They kill people in cars.

Maybe he'd change his mind if a deer ran out in front of his imaginary Ducati.
Moot point, Deer are real.