Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/23/15 10:53 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:00:42 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/23/15 12:58 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:18:18 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


Why not use .22 shorts?

I think that 65gr bullet would do better on squirrels if that is what
you do.



Ahh, squirrel hunting...that's what brave men do, because they can make
squirrelskin caps for their grandkids and grill the meat on the
barbecue.

We don't hear about much bravery from you. Why is that how you frame
every argument?
How brave is it to go buy a chicken from Giant?


Hey, last year I stopped a guy who was verbally abusing and manhandling
a woman, and suffered a broken wrist for my trouble, an injury that at
best is only 90% "healed."

Sorry, shooting squirrels or just about any critter just isn't something
that I see as brave or sporting. But, of course, opinions vary.

Takes no bravery to buy a chicken from Giant or, I suppose, Publix.
Buying one from Wal-Mart, though...not something I would do.

OMG, are you still telling that lie? LOL!

On 8/24/15 6:53 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 12:41:32 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/24/15 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 12:05:24 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/24/15 11:59 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:29:42 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/24/15 11:16 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 10:44:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/24/15 10:36 AM, wrote:

Shooting. Target practice. Oh, and your concept of "winning" is absurd.

Is it a sport? Do you feel brave when you do it?


Why would I feel like a "brave, great white hunter" shooting targets and
sodapop bottles?

Oh, competitive target/range shooting is a sport. Killing a dumb animal
is not.


So why do you need to bring up "brave" in the first place? How brave
are you walking around in the woods packing heat in case you might run
into a petulant pomeranian?

We have hiked all over the west where you see rattlesnakes, wolves and
bears. I never felt the need to pack and I was never really scared.

There are black bears and cougars (AKA Florida Panthers) within
walking distance of my house. I am not scared at all when I mow the
lawn



Why do you think your experience or lack of it with bears and cougars is
relevant to the packs of feral dogs that were and maybe still are active
around some of the trails above the Shenandoah River?

Sounds like an irrational fear to me mr braveheart.


My use of the term "brave white hunter" is sarcastic and literary, by
the way. In case you don't get it. Which, apparently, you don't.

No I do not understand why you need to **** on everyone who doesn't
think exactly like you about things.
It is not like you are standing on the moral high ground of a vegan or
even someone with credible environmental credentials.



My disdain for "great white hunters" and their "sport" has nothing to do
with vegetarianism or environmentalism. If you think that, perhaps it is
just too existential for you.

It is just not a position that makes much sense when you step back and
look at it. You have no problem killing for food, as long as you don't
have to watch and you don't mind killing a stray dog but someone who
kills for food is the target of your "disdain".
I guess you know, democrats hunt too?
It is not all just republicans.

Just to put this in perspective, I have not hunted for close to 40
years but I still defend the right to do it and I do not feel the
desire to **** on people who do.




So, everyone should feel and behave as you do on this issue, eh? Let me
know how that works out for you.

I don't give a **** whether you hunt or not. I don't like "sport
hunting" or "sport hunters."

They why won't you shut the **** up about it?
This is just more of your trolling.


Oh, I see. We're not supposed to mention here what we don't like. Is
that a new rule that you follow?

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/24/15 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/24/15 2:39 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/23/15 11:29 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/23/15 8:48 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/23/15 7:50 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/23/15 3:48 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 13:53:06 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/23/15 12:58 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:18:18 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 10:10:01 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:50:39 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 11:38 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 09:53:34 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 9:38 AM, Tim wrote:
Cheap ammo? Yes and no. I like the Russian for its close range
punch. Besides I have several a few other .223. This would be a
better option to the SKS.



Close range punch? Destroying concrete blocks?

The only 30 caliber I recall shooting is a 300 blackout, which, I
suppose, is wimpy compared to the round you're considering.

Wolf Gold in .223 is back down under 30 cents a round again. It's my
cheap ammo of choice.

100 yards is the farthest distance for shooting to which I have easy
access, and for popping targets, .223 and .357 MAG do the job for me,
and, if I aim high enough, .22LR. Now, if I could only shoot my revolver
really accurately at 50 yards or more...

The redeeming thing I have heard about the .300 blackout is it is
better in sub sonic, which would be important if you have a can.
If you just want to shoot a lot, the price of 7.62x39 is hard to beat.
The world is awash with it.



Brass cased 7.62x39 is just a penny or so a round cheaper than brass
cased .223. Brass cased 300 blackout is twice as expensive. The subsonic
300 blackout is substantially more expensive than that.

I have some bricks of "suppressor" .22LR ammo, but I haven't perceived
that it is quieter than CCI's standard velocity ammo, which can be had
nowadays for seven to 10 cents a round if you keep an eye out for it.


The subsonic thing mostly affects the sound down range. Behind the
barrel you don't hear much of the crack but you get all of the gun
noise. 22rf drops below super sonic pretty fast anyway, particularly
out of a hand gun.

Have you tried these
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/250...ead-round-nose

I have a couple bricks and they seem very quiet in an unsupressed
rifle. They make up for the low speed with more weight to maintain
down range performance.

Why not use .22 shorts?

I think that 65gr bullet would do better on squirrels if that is what
you do.



Ahh, squirrel hunting...that's what brave men do, because they can make
squirrelskin caps for their grandkids and grill the meat on the barbecue.

If you live in an Italian boarding house, was squirrel cachetore (so).

Krause considers squirrel hunting a show of courage. Probably
never ate squirrel in
his life. I prefer rabbit, but squirrel's not bad, unless it's
a 15 year-old tough
assed boar.
--


Good grief, the stupid runs deep in you, Herring.

Did you make these for your grandkids, Mr. Brave White Hunter?

http://tinyurl.com/oy7azwl

Oh, you're right...I don't eat rodents like squirrels, mice, rats,
prairie dogs, porcupines, beavers, guinea pigs, or hamsters. Or rabbits.

Now, if you are hunting armed only with a camera and you get real close
to wild animals who can rip off and eat your face, then...you are a brave
hunter and sportsman/woman.



Guinea pig is tough and greasy. At least the one I was served in Peru.
They are raised there for food. The Last Supper paining in the city of
Cusco main church has a roasted guinea Pig on the platter.


I'll be glad to take your word on that.

Why would guinea pig be not kosher? Not really swine.
Pics
http://www.delange.org/CathedralCusc...edralCusco.htm


Because it doesn't chew its cud and it doesn't have split hooves. Both
are requirements for "meat" to be kosher.

Leviticus 11:3-8:

Whatever parts the hoof and is cloven-footed and chews the cud, among the
animals, you may eat.

Thus, the guinea pig is not kosher.

What about chicken? No hoof either, and no cud.



Chicken is not "meat."

It ain't?



Not in the sense of barnyard animals with hooves who also chew their
cuds. That was my reference to "meat."

Not what you wrote. Words matter.



Sorry, Bill, but you are way down on the list of those whose opinions on
words and such I would consider. You did see the word "meat" in quotes,
right, and the references to Leviticus, right?

Bull****. Words matter.

On 8/24/15 6:47 PM, Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/24/15 6:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2015 4:44 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 8/24/2015 3:10 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 14:21:47 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/24/15 2:05 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2015 11:59 AM, wrote:

On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:29:42 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

My use of the term "brave white hunter" is sarcastic and
literary, by
the way. In case you don't get it. Which, apparently, you don't.



No I do not understand why you need to **** on everyone who doesn't
think exactly like you about things.
It is not like you are standing on the moral high ground of a
vegan or
even someone with credible environmental credentials.



That's just Harry's style. Ironically, it's also Donald Trump's
style.

It's why I got sick of attempting any discussion with Harry. He
reverts
to dishonesty in his accusations (i.e. if you don't like or support
Hilary you are automatically a "right-winger").


That's bull****.

True. Your dishonesty is downright bull****.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

And his bull**** is downright dishonest.

He's in big trouble now. Calling Luddite a liar. Sheeesh. Luddite was
his last friend of any consequence.



Heh. Harry says, "That's bull****"? Holy crap.

I lost count of the number of times I pointed out to him that
I am not "anti-Democrat" ... I am anti-Hillary. I even expressed
hope that other more qualified Dems declare their candidacy. But it
doesn't matter to him. Because I can't support his preference of a
POTUS nominee, he continued referring the GOP as being "my party" or
Jeb Bush "my man". Since he only has one criteria by which he
categorizes *all* Republicans (republi-trash) it follows that he
includes me in that group.

That's dishonest, but it's par for the course in Harry's world I guess.

I am neither a Republican or a Democrat, a group that Harry doesn't
think exists apparently, yet Independents make up the majority of
voters.




My preference for a candidate is the Democrat who will beat any
Republican nominee. I don't really care who that Dem is, but I think
it is Hillary Clinton. I like Bernie Sanders a lot more than any other
candidate running, but I don't think a "socialist" can win the general
election. Martin O'Malley is a non-starter. The former U.S. Senator
from Virginia, Luddie's favorite, has less appeal than beige ceiling
paint. Joe Biden is a terrific guy in all respects, but I don't see
him winning the White House.

Luddite has been a vociferous supporter of Jeb Bush here, and lately
has been touting Trump some.

Anybody is better than some brain dead stroke victim trying to hide from
the press...


I had no idea you were considering a run.

BTW, how's your motorbike racing team doing this season? Haven't heard
much about it.

On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 15:03:46 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 14:45:05 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Not in the sense of barnyard animals with hooves who also chew their
cuds. That was my reference to "meat."

===

*Your* reference is based on *your* superstitions. Of course *your*
superstitions have much more validity than anyone elses since you are
so *special*.

I imagine the wiki article on kosher meat did not tell him about
chicken.

On 8/24/15 8:59 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 15:03:46 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 14:45:05 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Not in the sense of barnyard animals with hooves who also chew their
cuds. That was my reference to "meat."

===

*Your* reference is based on *your* superstitions. Of course *your*
superstitions have much more validity than anyone elses since you are
so *special*.

I imagine the wiki article on kosher meat did not tell him about
chicken.



Is Wayne on drugs? My superstitions about kosher meat? He must be on
drugs. Why the hell would I care about kosher meat, other than
intellectual curiosity?

I was referring to animals with hooves who chew their cud as kosher
meat. I suppose that was far too abstract for the boys here.

On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 19:25:16 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/24/15 6:53 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 12:41:32 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/24/15 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 12:05:24 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/24/15 11:59 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:29:42 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/24/15 11:16 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 10:44:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/24/15 10:36 AM, wrote:

Shooting. Target practice. Oh, and your concept of "winning" is absurd.

Is it a sport? Do you feel brave when you do it?


Why would I feel like a "brave, great white hunter" shooting targets and
sodapop bottles?

Oh, competitive target/range shooting is a sport. Killing a dumb animal
is not.


So why do you need to bring up "brave" in the first place? How brave
are you walking around in the woods packing heat in case you might run
into a petulant pomeranian?

We have hiked all over the west where you see rattlesnakes, wolves and
bears. I never felt the need to pack and I was never really scared.

There are black bears and cougars (AKA Florida Panthers) within
walking distance of my house. I am not scared at all when I mow the
lawn



Why do you think your experience or lack of it with bears and cougars is
relevant to the packs of feral dogs that were and maybe still are active
around some of the trails above the Shenandoah River?

Sounds like an irrational fear to me mr braveheart.


My use of the term "brave white hunter" is sarcastic and literary, by
the way. In case you don't get it. Which, apparently, you don't.

No I do not understand why you need to **** on everyone who doesn't
think exactly like you about things.
It is not like you are standing on the moral high ground of a vegan or
even someone with credible environmental credentials.



My disdain for "great white hunters" and their "sport" has nothing to do
with vegetarianism or environmentalism. If you think that, perhaps it is
just too existential for you.

It is just not a position that makes much sense when you step back and
look at it. You have no problem killing for food, as long as you don't
have to watch and you don't mind killing a stray dog but someone who
kills for food is the target of your "disdain".
I guess you know, democrats hunt too?
It is not all just republicans.

Just to put this in perspective, I have not hunted for close to 40
years but I still defend the right to do it and I do not feel the
desire to **** on people who do.




So, everyone should feel and behave as you do on this issue, eh? Let me
know how that works out for you.

I don't give a **** whether you hunt or not. I don't like "sport
hunting" or "sport hunters."

They why won't you shut the **** up about it?
This is just more of your trolling.


Oh, I see. We're not supposed to mention here what we don't like. Is
that a new rule that you follow?

The rule I always follow is to be able to debate someone's position
without an ad hominem personal attack.
It seems to elude you.

On 8/24/15 9:12 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 19:25:16 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/24/15 6:53 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 12:41:32 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/24/15 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 12:05:24 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/24/15 11:59 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:29:42 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/24/15 11:16 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 10:44:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/24/15 10:36 AM, wrote:

Shooting. Target practice. Oh, and your concept of "winning" is absurd.

Is it a sport? Do you feel brave when you do it?


Why would I feel like a "brave, great white hunter" shooting targets and
sodapop bottles?

Oh, competitive target/range shooting is a sport. Killing a dumb animal
is not.


So why do you need to bring up "brave" in the first place? How brave
are you walking around in the woods packing heat in case you might run
into a petulant pomeranian?

We have hiked all over the west where you see rattlesnakes, wolves and
bears. I never felt the need to pack and I was never really scared.

There are black bears and cougars (AKA Florida Panthers) within
walking distance of my house. I am not scared at all when I mow the
lawn



Why do you think your experience or lack of it with bears and cougars is
relevant to the packs of feral dogs that were and maybe still are active
around some of the trails above the Shenandoah River?

Sounds like an irrational fear to me mr braveheart.


My use of the term "brave white hunter" is sarcastic and literary, by
the way. In case you don't get it. Which, apparently, you don't.

No I do not understand why you need to **** on everyone who doesn't
think exactly like you about things.
It is not like you are standing on the moral high ground of a vegan or
even someone with credible environmental credentials.



My disdain for "great white hunters" and their "sport" has nothing to do
with vegetarianism or environmentalism. If you think that, perhaps it is
just too existential for you.

It is just not a position that makes much sense when you step back and
look at it. You have no problem killing for food, as long as you don't
have to watch and you don't mind killing a stray dog but someone who
kills for food is the target of your "disdain".
I guess you know, democrats hunt too?
It is not all just republicans.

Just to put this in perspective, I have not hunted for close to 40
years but I still defend the right to do it and I do not feel the
desire to **** on people who do.




So, everyone should feel and behave as you do on this issue, eh? Let me
know how that works out for you.

I don't give a **** whether you hunt or not. I don't like "sport
hunting" or "sport hunters."

They why won't you shut the **** up about it?
This is just more of your trolling.


Oh, I see. We're not supposed to mention here what we don't like. Is
that a new rule that you follow?

The rule I always follow is to be able to debate someone's position
without an ad hominem personal attack.
It seems to elude you.



What's to debate? You're in favor of sport hunting and I am not. I have
no desire or need to try to win you over to my side.

On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 21:02:31 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

I was referring to animals with hooves who chew their cud as kosher
meat. I suppose that was far too abstract for the boys here.

===

You have told us many times that it's all superstition, kosher and
everything else. You can't have it both ways so sit down, shutup, and
eat that guinea pig.

On Sunday, August 23, 2015 at 6:06:25 PM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/23/15 8:48 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/23/15 7:50 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/23/15 3:48 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 13:53:06 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/23/15 12:58 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:18:18 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 10:10:01 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:50:39 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 11:38 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 09:53:34 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 9:38 AM, Tim wrote:
Cheap ammo? Yes and no. I like the Russian for its close range
punch. Besides I have several a few other .223. This would be a
better option to the SKS.



Close range punch? Destroying concrete blocks?

The only 30 caliber I recall shooting is a 300 blackout, which, I
suppose, is wimpy compared to the round you're considering.

Wolf Gold in .223 is back down under 30 cents a round again.. It's my
cheap ammo of choice.

100 yards is the farthest distance for shooting to which I have easy
access, and for popping targets, .223 and .357 MAG do the job for me,
and, if I aim high enough, .22LR. Now, if I could only shoot my revolver
really accurately at 50 yards or more...

The redeeming thing I have heard about the .300 blackout is it is
better in sub sonic, which would be important if you have a can.
If you just want to shoot a lot, the price of 7.62x39 is hard to beat.
The world is awash with it.



Brass cased 7.62x39 is just a penny or so a round cheaper than brass
cased .223. Brass cased 300 blackout is twice as expensive. The subsonic
300 blackout is substantially more expensive than that.

I have some bricks of "suppressor" .22LR ammo, but I haven't perceived
that it is quieter than CCI's standard velocity ammo, which can be had
nowadays for seven to 10 cents a round if you keep an eye out for it.


The subsonic thing mostly affects the sound down range. Behind the
barrel you don't hear much of the crack but you get all of the gun
noise. 22rf drops below super sonic pretty fast anyway, particularly
out of a hand gun.

Have you tried these
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/250...ead-round-nose

I have a couple bricks and they seem very quiet in an unsupressed
rifle. They make up for the low speed with more weight to maintain
down range performance.

Why not use .22 shorts?

I think that 65gr bullet would do better on squirrels if that is what
you do.



Ahh, squirrel hunting...that's what brave men do, because they can make
squirrelskin caps for their grandkids and grill the meat on the barbecue.

If you live in an Italian boarding house, was squirrel cachetore (so).

Krause considers squirrel hunting a show of courage. Probably never ate squirrel in
his life. I prefer rabbit, but squirrel's not bad, unless it's a 15 year-old tough
assed boar.
--


Good grief, the stupid runs deep in you, Herring.

Did you make these for your grandkids, Mr. Brave White Hunter?

http://tinyurl.com/oy7azwl

Oh, you're right...I don't eat rodents like squirrels, mice, rats,
prairie dogs, porcupines, beavers, guinea pigs, or hamsters. Or rabbits.

Now, if you are hunting armed only with a camera and you get real close
to wild animals who can rip off and eat your face, then...you are a brave
hunter and sportsman/woman.



Guinea pig is tough and greasy. At least the one I was served in Peru.
They are raised there for food. The Last Supper paining in the city of
Cusco main church has a roasted guinea Pig on the platter.


I'll be glad to take your word on that.

Why would guinea pig be not kosher? Not really swine.
Pics
http://www.delange.org/CathedralCusc...edralCusco.htm


Because it doesn't chew its cud and it doesn't have split hooves. Both
are requirements for "meat" to be kosher.

Leviticus 11:3-8:

Whatever parts the hoof and is cloven-footed and chews the cud, among
the animals, you may eat.

Thus, the guinea pig is not kosher.

Eat anything you want, it's all "Kosher"

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...6&version=NRSV