[Califbill]

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/4/2014 4:05 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 15:50:53 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/4/14 2:21 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 10:43:28 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 08:34:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Here are the stats on guns *used in crimes*:

39.6% are obtained from a friend or family member.
39.2% are obtained "on the street" or from an illegal source.
0.7% are purchased at a gun show.
1% are purchased a flea market.
3.8% are from a pawn shop.
8.3% are bought at FFL licenced retail outlets

So, you can see that the overwhelming majority of guns that end up being
used in a crime come from sources that *do not* require that a chain of
custody is maintained.

That's why the registration of guns is ineffective as it stands today.

If transfers required re-registration to subsequent owners, the number
of guns available "on the street" would diminish over time and those
used in a crime would be more traceable.

We can never completely eliminate gun crimes but when there are 74 or
more shootings in schools in 18 months, don't you think it's worth trying?

That's my argument.

Your argument automatically excludes almost 80% of the crime guns
because friends and family may include "borrowed" or "stolen" guns and
it is not likely that these people would ever go to a FFL to hand down
a gun.
There is also about 8% that are not accounted for in that statistic

I am still not sure why the "on the street" number would change that
much if they came from an "illegal source" AKA stolen.

Considering most of the school shooting have involved family guns that
were legally purchased I am not sure that registration is even
significant.

I do find it amusing that after all of this gun show rhetoric, 0.7% of
those guns have showed up in a crime.

BTW "pawn shops" are FFL licensed gun dealers so you can just make the
dealer number 11.1%

And note that no mention is made of 'illegal' purchases at gun shows.
I've been to several in this state. When a weapon is purchased, the
Form 4473 is completed by the buyer and the seller puts the data in a
computer. After a short wait, the transaction is completed. None of
this back door stuff Krause keeps talking about.


Our boy Johnny apparently is unaware of private sellers who frequent
Virginia gun shows and sell guns to buyers without the benefit of the
instant background check. Those sorts of sales have been on TV news
shows many times but perhaps not the local fox news Channel our boy
Johnny watches.

Show me. If it made the TV news, then it made the 'paper' news. You've
been spouting the same bull**** over and over, but have yet to back up
your tripe.

This has been a relatively 'ridicule free' thread until your return.
Thanks.



John, I saw the report on TV also. It was on Andersen Cooper's AC360
(CNN) I think it was not long after the Sandy Hook thing. Here's the
video for your viewing pleasu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A51Gr0zpX_c

And how much of this is true? Seems as if they pay less than market, and
nobody got prosecuted for illegal sales or purchase.