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The gun thread
On 11/5/2014 9:42 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/5/2014 9:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/5/2014 9:05 AM, KC wrote: On 11/5/2014 8:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/5/2014 8:22 AM, KC wrote: On 11/5/2014 12:54 AM, wrote: On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 00:00:41 -0500, KC wrote: I doubt it... Could be that they fudged the circumstances or edited though. CNN and even more MSNBC have been caught several times doing things like that.. I am not saying this story is fudged, but it's very possible if nobody ever really got busted. I think that if this was a real news story, they would have questioned the sellers after the sale. I wonder why they didn't. By fuzzing the faces and not addressing it any further, even to the point of saying the seller refused an interview, they make this look pretty hokey. I agree that if this really happened the way they presented it, laws were broken. My first question is where does the producer live? They attempted to buy guns in a couple of states and the transactions on tape were in Tennessee. I bet the producer lives in Georgia. (CNN is based in Atlanta) When BATF starts rounding up the criminals, they have to start with the guy who taped his crime. Well, can we for the purpose of this discussion view this "report" as a hypothetical but not proven to be real yet? Of course that kills the perspective of those in the discussion riding on this as "evidence"... The role of journalism in a report like this isn't to effect the arrest or apprehension of those breaking the law. It is to expose the law breaking. Journalists enjoy a privilege called "confidentiality of sources" and are not required to identify the people in the report. That's why their images are blurred. They are still not allowed to commit or participate knowingly in a crime... What crime did the show's producer commit? All he did was buy three handguns and a rifle. Private sale, so no background check is required. What was illegal, according to the report, is that the sellers were supposed to confirm the ID of the purchaser to ensure he was a state resident. Well, if this was the producers intent going in, would that be conspiracy to commit a crime? Where did the report say that was the intent of the documentary? Again, the purpose was to demonstrate how easy it is for anyone to buy a firearm. |
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#73
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The gun thread
On 11/5/2014 9:43 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:10:24 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/5/2014 8:44 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 08:35:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/5/2014 8:22 AM, KC wrote: On 11/5/2014 12:54 AM, wrote: On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 00:00:41 -0500, KC wrote: I doubt it... Could be that they fudged the circumstances or edited though. CNN and even more MSNBC have been caught several times doing things like that.. I am not saying this story is fudged, but it's very possible if nobody ever really got busted. I think that if this was a real news story, they would have questioned the sellers after the sale. I wonder why they didn't. By fuzzing the faces and not addressing it any further, even to the point of saying the seller refused an interview, they make this look pretty hokey. I agree that if this really happened the way they presented it, laws were broken. My first question is where does the producer live? They attempted to buy guns in a couple of states and the transactions on tape were in Tennessee. I bet the producer lives in Georgia. (CNN is based in Atlanta) When BATF starts rounding up the criminals, they have to start with the guy who taped his crime. Well, can we for the purpose of this discussion view this "report" as a hypothetical but not proven to be real yet? Of course that kills the perspective of those in the discussion riding on this as "evidence"... The role of journalism in a report like this isn't to effect the arrest or apprehension of those breaking the law. It is to expose the law breaking. Journalists enjoy a privilege called "confidentiality of sources" and are not required to identify the people in the report. That's why their images are blurred. If this is as common as depicted, why has BATF not put a few undercover folks in there and sent some sellers to jail? That would surely make the news. Might even help the problem of too many guns out there. They do and are John. Both ineligible buyers and illegal sellers have been caught and arrested. If you Google "illegal sales at gun show arrests" it will return about 20,400,000 results for your reading pleasure. CNN makes a big deal of buying three guns, but how often are the arrests in the news? The arrests are what's newsworthy! Well, if you look for them you'll find 'em. I found 20,400,000 references to them in .39 seconds. :-) Obviously, not all are specific to arrests made but you get the idea. |
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#74
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The gun thread
On 11/5/2014 9:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/5/2014 9:41 AM, KC wrote: On 11/5/2014 9:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/5/2014 9:05 AM, KC wrote: On 11/5/2014 8:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/5/2014 8:22 AM, KC wrote: On 11/5/2014 12:54 AM, wrote: On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 00:00:41 -0500, KC wrote: I doubt it... Could be that they fudged the circumstances or edited though. CNN and even more MSNBC have been caught several times doing things like that.. I am not saying this story is fudged, but it's very possible if nobody ever really got busted. I think that if this was a real news story, they would have questioned the sellers after the sale. I wonder why they didn't. By fuzzing the faces and not addressing it any further, even to the point of saying the seller refused an interview, they make this look pretty hokey. I agree that if this really happened the way they presented it, laws were broken. My first question is where does the producer live? They attempted to buy guns in a couple of states and the transactions on tape were in Tennessee. I bet the producer lives in Georgia. (CNN is based in Atlanta) When BATF starts rounding up the criminals, they have to start with the guy who taped his crime. Well, can we for the purpose of this discussion view this "report" as a hypothetical but not proven to be real yet? Of course that kills the perspective of those in the discussion riding on this as "evidence"... The role of journalism in a report like this isn't to effect the arrest or apprehension of those breaking the law. It is to expose the law breaking. Journalists enjoy a privilege called "confidentiality of sources" and are not required to identify the people in the report. That's why their images are blurred. They are still not allowed to commit or participate knowingly in a crime... What crime did the show's producer commit? All he did was buy three handguns and a rifle. Private sale, so no background check is required. What was illegal, according to the report, is that the sellers were supposed to confirm the ID of the purchaser to ensure he was a state resident. The show's intent was to demonstrate how *easy* it is for anyone to purchase a firearm ... in this case several ... with no background checks and not even a check to ensure the buyer was entitled to buy. It wasn't to expose law breaking (although it did). Is it not a crime to entice someone to commit a crime? They didn't. They were demonstrating how easy it is for anyone to purchase guns. Ok, got it.... |
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#75
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The gun thread
On 11/5/14 9:56 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/5/2014 9:43 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:10:24 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/5/2014 8:44 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 08:35:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/5/2014 8:22 AM, KC wrote: On 11/5/2014 12:54 AM, wrote: On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 00:00:41 -0500, KC wrote: I doubt it... Could be that they fudged the circumstances or edited though. CNN and even more MSNBC have been caught several times doing things like that.. I am not saying this story is fudged, but it's very possible if nobody ever really got busted. I think that if this was a real news story, they would have questioned the sellers after the sale. I wonder why they didn't. By fuzzing the faces and not addressing it any further, even to the point of saying the seller refused an interview, they make this look pretty hokey. I agree that if this really happened the way they presented it, laws were broken. My first question is where does the producer live? They attempted to buy guns in a couple of states and the transactions on tape were in Tennessee. I bet the producer lives in Georgia. (CNN is based in Atlanta) When BATF starts rounding up the criminals, they have to start with the guy who taped his crime. Well, can we for the purpose of this discussion view this "report" as a hypothetical but not proven to be real yet? Of course that kills the perspective of those in the discussion riding on this as "evidence"... The role of journalism in a report like this isn't to effect the arrest or apprehension of those breaking the law. It is to expose the law breaking. Journalists enjoy a privilege called "confidentiality of sources" and are not required to identify the people in the report. That's why their images are blurred. If this is as common as depicted, why has BATF not put a few undercover folks in there and sent some sellers to jail? That would surely make the news. Might even help the problem of too many guns out there. They do and are John. Both ineligible buyers and illegal sellers have been caught and arrested. If you Google "illegal sales at gun show arrests" it will return about 20,400,000 results for your reading pleasure. CNN makes a big deal of buying three guns, but how often are the arrests in the news? The arrests are what's newsworthy! Well, if you look for them you'll find 'em. I found 20,400,000 references to them in .39 seconds. :-) Obviously, not all are specific to arrests made but you get the idea. Dealing with these morons is like being a third-grade teacher and trying to teach Johnny how to read when Johnny has ADD. -- “There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” - Norman Mailer |
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#76
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The gun thread
On 11/5/2014 11:12 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 08:44:58 -0500, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 08:35:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/5/2014 8:22 AM, KC wrote: On 11/5/2014 12:54 AM, wrote: On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 00:00:41 -0500, KC wrote: I doubt it... Could be that they fudged the circumstances or edited though. CNN and even more MSNBC have been caught several times doing things like that.. I am not saying this story is fudged, but it's very possible if nobody ever really got busted. I think that if this was a real news story, they would have questioned the sellers after the sale. I wonder why they didn't. By fuzzing the faces and not addressing it any further, even to the point of saying the seller refused an interview, they make this look pretty hokey. I agree that if this really happened the way they presented it, laws were broken. My first question is where does the producer live? They attempted to buy guns in a couple of states and the transactions on tape were in Tennessee. I bet the producer lives in Georgia. (CNN is based in Atlanta) When BATF starts rounding up the criminals, they have to start with the guy who taped his crime. Well, can we for the purpose of this discussion view this "report" as a hypothetical but not proven to be real yet? Of course that kills the perspective of those in the discussion riding on this as "evidence"... The role of journalism in a report like this isn't to effect the arrest or apprehension of those breaking the law. It is to expose the law breaking. Journalists enjoy a privilege called "confidentiality of sources" and are not required to identify the people in the report. That's why their images are blurred. If this is as common as depicted, why has BATF not put a few undercover folks in there and sent some sellers to jail? That would surely make the news. Might even help the problem of too many guns out there. These people would rather have the issue than an arrest. If they followed through and had these people arrested they would not be able to say it was still going on. They had to scour gun shows in several states before they found a guy who would sell then guns in illegal sale. Where are all the people who said "no way"? You obviously didn't pay much attention to the report or video. |
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#77
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On 11/5/2014 11:23 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:21:00 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/5/2014 9:05 AM, KC wrote: On 11/5/2014 8:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/5/2014 8:22 AM, KC wrote: On 11/5/2014 12:54 AM, wrote: On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 00:00:41 -0500, KC wrote: I doubt it... Could be that they fudged the circumstances or edited though. CNN and even more MSNBC have been caught several times doing things like that.. I am not saying this story is fudged, but it's very possible if nobody ever really got busted. I think that if this was a real news story, they would have questioned the sellers after the sale. I wonder why they didn't. By fuzzing the faces and not addressing it any further, even to the point of saying the seller refused an interview, they make this look pretty hokey. I agree that if this really happened the way they presented it, laws were broken. My first question is where does the producer live? They attempted to buy guns in a couple of states and the transactions on tape were in Tennessee. I bet the producer lives in Georgia. (CNN is based in Atlanta) When BATF starts rounding up the criminals, they have to start with the guy who taped his crime. Well, can we for the purpose of this discussion view this "report" as a hypothetical but not proven to be real yet? Of course that kills the perspective of those in the discussion riding on this as "evidence"... The role of journalism in a report like this isn't to effect the arrest or apprehension of those breaking the law. It is to expose the law breaking. Journalists enjoy a privilege called "confidentiality of sources" and are not required to identify the people in the report. That's why their images are blurred. They are still not allowed to commit or participate knowingly in a crime... What crime did the show's producer commit? All he did was buy three handguns and a rifle. Private sale, so no background check is required. What was illegal, according to the report, is that the sellers were supposed to confirm the ID of the purchaser to ensure he was a state resident. The show's intent was to demonstrate how *easy* it is for anyone to purchase a firearm ... in this case several ... with no background checks and not even a check to ensure the buyer was entitled to buy. It wasn't to expose law breaking (although it did). The producer committed at least 2 crimes. He purchased a gun as a non resident, then he carried that illegally purchased gun across a state line. Since he was purchasing it for CNN, not himself, (CNN gave him the money) he is also a straw purchaser. That is 3 federal crimes. ... three counts each for 3 guns. Up to $900,000 fine and 90 years in jail. CNN didn't say that did they? Good freakin' grief Greg. |
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#78
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On 11/5/2014 11:23 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:21:00 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/5/2014 9:05 AM, KC wrote: On 11/5/2014 8:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/5/2014 8:22 AM, KC wrote: On 11/5/2014 12:54 AM, wrote: On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 00:00:41 -0500, KC wrote: I doubt it... Could be that they fudged the circumstances or edited though. CNN and even more MSNBC have been caught several times doing things like that.. I am not saying this story is fudged, but it's very possible if nobody ever really got busted. I think that if this was a real news story, they would have questioned the sellers after the sale. I wonder why they didn't. By fuzzing the faces and not addressing it any further, even to the point of saying the seller refused an interview, they make this look pretty hokey. I agree that if this really happened the way they presented it, laws were broken. My first question is where does the producer live? They attempted to buy guns in a couple of states and the transactions on tape were in Tennessee. I bet the producer lives in Georgia. (CNN is based in Atlanta) When BATF starts rounding up the criminals, they have to start with the guy who taped his crime. Well, can we for the purpose of this discussion view this "report" as a hypothetical but not proven to be real yet? Of course that kills the perspective of those in the discussion riding on this as "evidence"... The role of journalism in a report like this isn't to effect the arrest or apprehension of those breaking the law. It is to expose the law breaking. Journalists enjoy a privilege called "confidentiality of sources" and are not required to identify the people in the report. That's why their images are blurred. They are still not allowed to commit or participate knowingly in a crime... What crime did the show's producer commit? All he did was buy three handguns and a rifle. Private sale, so no background check is required. What was illegal, according to the report, is that the sellers were supposed to confirm the ID of the purchaser to ensure he was a state resident. The show's intent was to demonstrate how *easy* it is for anyone to purchase a firearm ... in this case several ... with no background checks and not even a check to ensure the buyer was entitled to buy. It wasn't to expose law breaking (although it did). The producer committed at least 2 crimes. He purchased a gun as a non resident, then he carried that illegally purchased gun across a state line. Since he was purchasing it for CNN, not himself, (CNN gave him the money) he is also a straw purchaser. That is 3 federal crimes. ... three counts each for 3 guns. Up to $900,000 fine and 90 years in jail. CNN didn't say that did they? That's kind of what I was thinking.... with my tin hat and all  Either that or the whole sale was actors and fake guns... but no news agency would do that :O |
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#79
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On 11/5/14 11:27 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/5/2014 11:12 AM, wrote: On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 08:44:58 -0500, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 08:35:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/5/2014 8:22 AM, KC wrote: On 11/5/2014 12:54 AM, wrote: On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 00:00:41 -0500, KC wrote: I doubt it... Could be that they fudged the circumstances or edited though. CNN and even more MSNBC have been caught several times doing things like that.. I am not saying this story is fudged, but it's very possible if nobody ever really got busted. I think that if this was a real news story, they would have questioned the sellers after the sale. I wonder why they didn't. By fuzzing the faces and not addressing it any further, even to the point of saying the seller refused an interview, they make this look pretty hokey. I agree that if this really happened the way they presented it, laws were broken. My first question is where does the producer live? They attempted to buy guns in a couple of states and the transactions on tape were in Tennessee. I bet the producer lives in Georgia. (CNN is based in Atlanta) When BATF starts rounding up the criminals, they have to start with the guy who taped his crime. Well, can we for the purpose of this discussion view this "report" as a hypothetical but not proven to be real yet? Of course that kills the perspective of those in the discussion riding on this as "evidence"... The role of journalism in a report like this isn't to effect the arrest or apprehension of those breaking the law. It is to expose the law breaking. Journalists enjoy a privilege called "confidentiality of sources" and are not required to identify the people in the report. That's why their images are blurred. If this is as common as depicted, why has BATF not put a few undercover folks in there and sent some sellers to jail? That would surely make the news. Might even help the problem of too many guns out there. These people would rather have the issue than an arrest. If they followed through and had these people arrested they would not be able to say it was still going on. They had to scour gun shows in several states before they found a guy who would sell then guns in illegal sale. Where are all the people who said "no way"? You obviously didn't pay much attention to the report or video. no shortage of hits on "gun show loophole." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b-ztawuh98 http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/0...Unanimous-Vote many hits for virginia...here is one: http://tinyurl.com/mywfmo6 -- “There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” - Norman Mailer |
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#80
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On 11/5/14 11:28 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/5/2014 11:23 AM, wrote: On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:21:00 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/5/2014 9:05 AM, KC wrote: On 11/5/2014 8:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/5/2014 8:22 AM, KC wrote: On 11/5/2014 12:54 AM, wrote: On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 00:00:41 -0500, KC wrote: I doubt it... Could be that they fudged the circumstances or edited though. CNN and even more MSNBC have been caught several times doing things like that.. I am not saying this story is fudged, but it's very possible if nobody ever really got busted. I think that if this was a real news story, they would have questioned the sellers after the sale. I wonder why they didn't. By fuzzing the faces and not addressing it any further, even to the point of saying the seller refused an interview, they make this look pretty hokey. I agree that if this really happened the way they presented it, laws were broken. My first question is where does the producer live? They attempted to buy guns in a couple of states and the transactions on tape were in Tennessee. I bet the producer lives in Georgia. (CNN is based in Atlanta) When BATF starts rounding up the criminals, they have to start with the guy who taped his crime. Well, can we for the purpose of this discussion view this "report" as a hypothetical but not proven to be real yet? Of course that kills the perspective of those in the discussion riding on this as "evidence"... The role of journalism in a report like this isn't to effect the arrest or apprehension of those breaking the law. It is to expose the law breaking. Journalists enjoy a privilege called "confidentiality of sources" and are not required to identify the people in the report. That's why their images are blurred. They are still not allowed to commit or participate knowingly in a crime... What crime did the show's producer commit? All he did was buy three handguns and a rifle. Private sale, so no background check is required. What was illegal, according to the report, is that the sellers were supposed to confirm the ID of the purchaser to ensure he was a state resident. The show's intent was to demonstrate how *easy* it is for anyone to purchase a firearm ... in this case several ... with no background checks and not even a check to ensure the buyer was entitled to buy. It wasn't to expose law breaking (although it did). The producer committed at least 2 crimes. He purchased a gun as a non resident, then he carried that illegally purchased gun across a state line. Since he was purchasing it for CNN, not himself, (CNN gave him the money) he is also a straw purchaser. That is 3 federal crimes. ... three counts each for 3 guns. Up to $900,000 fine and 90 years in jail. CNN didn't say that did they? Good freakin' grief Greg. Heheheh... told you! -- “There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” - Norman Mailer |
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