[KC]

On 11/5/2014 12:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/5/2014 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 11:28:39 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/5/2014 11:23 AM, wrote:

The producer committed at least 2 crimes. He purchased a gun as a non
resident, then he carried that illegally purchased gun across a state
line. Since he was purchasing it for CNN, not himself, (CNN gave him
the money) he is also a straw purchaser.
That is 3 federal crimes. ... three counts each for 3 guns.

Up to $900,000 fine and 90 years in jail.

CNN didn't say that did they?




Good freakin' grief Greg.

See 18 U.S.C. 922

The producer "received" 3 guns in interstate commerce
He transported those 3 guns across a state line
He purchased them for a 3d party.

18 U.S. Code § 924
says fines up to $100,000 and 10 years in federal prison per count.

I don't write the laws, I just read them. The problem is nobody even
knows what the current law is because nobody gets prosecuted. They
would rather throw the book at a guy with 3 joints in his sock

Unenforced, what law do you think would "fix" this problem? Enforced,
we already have plenty of laws.



There are many people who think CNN broke the law. The guys that sold
them the guns without checking an ID broke the law (at least state law).

Neither CNN or the sellers were prosecuted. There is no evidence that
CNN transported the guns over state lines as you "assumed" they did. At
the end of the video Cooper says that the guns were turned over to CNN
security. Could have been in the parking lot of the gun show. CNN
security may have turned them over to the local police department. I
don't know. You don't know.

Again, the purpose of the report to was demonstrate how easy it is for
anyone to get guns.



I think if you add up both sides, and what was and wasn't said... as
well as considering the source, it's probably 50/50 that it's just
actors and fake guns

[KC]

On 11/5/2014 12:14 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/5/2014 11:29 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/5/2014 11:23 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:21:00 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/5/2014 9:05 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/5/2014 8:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/5/2014 8:22 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/5/2014 12:54 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 00:00:41 -0500, KC
wrote:




I doubt it... Could be that they fudged the circumstances or
edited
though. CNN and even more MSNBC have been caught several times
doing
things like that.. I am not saying this story is fudged, but
it's very
possible if nobody ever really got busted.

I think that if this was a real news story, they would have
questioned
the sellers after the sale. I wonder why they didn't.
By fuzzing the faces and not addressing it any further, even to the
point of saying the seller refused an interview, they make this
look
pretty hokey.
I agree that if this really happened the way they presented it,
laws
were broken. My first question is where does the producer live?
They
attempted to buy guns in a couple of states and the transactions on
tape were in Tennessee. I bet the producer lives in Georgia.
(CNN is
based in Atlanta)
When BATF starts rounding up the criminals, they have to start with
the guy who taped his crime.


Well, can we for the purpose of this discussion view this "report"
as a
hypothetical but not proven to be real yet? Of course that kills the
perspective of those in the discussion riding on this as
"evidence"...


The role of journalism in a report like this isn't to effect the
arrest
or apprehension of those breaking the law. It is to expose the law
breaking.

Journalists enjoy a privilege called "confidentiality of sources" and
are not required to identify the people in the report. That's why
their
images are blurred.




They are still not allowed to commit or participate knowingly in a
crime...


What crime did the show's producer commit? All he did was buy three
handguns and a rifle. Private sale, so no background check is
required.

What was illegal, according to the report, is that the sellers were
supposed to confirm the ID of the purchaser to ensure he was a state
resident.

The show's intent was to demonstrate how *easy* it is for anyone to
purchase a firearm ... in this case several ... with no background
checks and not even a check to ensure the buyer was entitled to buy.

It wasn't to expose law breaking (although it did).

The producer committed at least 2 crimes. He purchased a gun as a non
resident, then he carried that illegally purchased gun across a state
line. Since he was purchasing it for CNN, not himself, (CNN gave him
the money) he is also a straw purchaser.
That is 3 federal crimes. ... three counts each for 3 guns.

Up to $900,000 fine and 90 years in jail.

CNN didn't say that did they?



That's kind of what I was thinking.... with my tin hat and all Either
that or the whole sale was actors and fake guns... but no news agency
would do that :O


This place is hilarious. If you don't like something ... deny it
exists. Simple.



Don't take it so personally dick, why do all libs think having an
opposing opinion is a personal attack? Is it because deep inside they
have doubts??? Just wondering...

[Poco Loco]

On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:56:51 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/5/2014 9:43 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:10:24 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/5/2014 8:44 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 08:35:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/5/2014 8:22 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/5/2014 12:54 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 00:00:41 -0500, KC wrote:




I doubt it... Could be that they fudged the circumstances or edited
though. CNN and even more MSNBC have been caught several times doing
things like that.. I am not saying this story is fudged, but it's very
possible if nobody ever really got busted.

I think that if this was a real news story, they would have questioned
the sellers after the sale. I wonder why they didn't.
By fuzzing the faces and not addressing it any further, even to the
point of saying the seller refused an interview, they make this look
pretty hokey.
I agree that if this really happened the way they presented it, laws
were broken. My first question is where does the producer live? They
attempted to buy guns in a couple of states and the transactions on
tape were in Tennessee. I bet the producer lives in Georgia. (CNN is
based in Atlanta)
When BATF starts rounding up the criminals, they have to start with
the guy who taped his crime.


Well, can we for the purpose of this discussion view this "report" as a
hypothetical but not proven to be real yet? Of course that kills the
perspective of those in the discussion riding on this as "evidence"...


The role of journalism in a report like this isn't to effect the arrest
or apprehension of those breaking the law. It is to expose the law
breaking.

Journalists enjoy a privilege called "confidentiality of sources" and
are not required to identify the people in the report. That's why their
images are blurred.


If this is as common as depicted, why has BATF not put a few
undercover folks in there and sent some sellers to jail? That would
surely make the news. Might even help the problem of too many guns out
there.



They do and are John. Both ineligible buyers and illegal sellers have
been caught and arrested. If you Google "illegal sales at gun show
arrests" it will return about 20,400,000 results for your reading pleasure.

CNN makes a big deal of buying three guns, but how often are the
arrests in the news? The arrests are what's newsworthy!


Well, if you look for them you'll find 'em. I found 20,400,000
references to them in .39 seconds. :-)

Obviously, not all are specific to arrests made but you get the idea.


Seen any on NBC, CNN, etc? I haven't. I'm sure your 20m hits on Google
don't dissuabe would be illegal arms sellers/buyers.

[Poco Loco]

On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 12:14:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/5/2014 11:29 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/5/2014 11:23 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:21:00 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/5/2014 9:05 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/5/2014 8:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/5/2014 8:22 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/5/2014 12:54 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 00:00:41 -0500, KC
wrote:




I doubt it... Could be that they fudged the circumstances or edited
though. CNN and even more MSNBC have been caught several times
doing
things like that.. I am not saying this story is fudged, but
it's very
possible if nobody ever really got busted.

I think that if this was a real news story, they would have
questioned
the sellers after the sale. I wonder why they didn't.
By fuzzing the faces and not addressing it any further, even to the
point of saying the seller refused an interview, they make this look
pretty hokey.
I agree that if this really happened the way they presented it, laws
were broken. My first question is where does the producer live? They
attempted to buy guns in a couple of states and the transactions on
tape were in Tennessee. I bet the producer lives in Georgia. (CNN is
based in Atlanta)
When BATF starts rounding up the criminals, they have to start with
the guy who taped his crime.


Well, can we for the purpose of this discussion view this "report"
as a
hypothetical but not proven to be real yet? Of course that kills the
perspective of those in the discussion riding on this as
"evidence"...


The role of journalism in a report like this isn't to effect the
arrest
or apprehension of those breaking the law. It is to expose the law
breaking.

Journalists enjoy a privilege called "confidentiality of sources" and
are not required to identify the people in the report. That's why
their
images are blurred.




They are still not allowed to commit or participate knowingly in a
crime...


What crime did the show's producer commit? All he did was buy three
handguns and a rifle. Private sale, so no background check is required.

What was illegal, according to the report, is that the sellers were
supposed to confirm the ID of the purchaser to ensure he was a state
resident.

The show's intent was to demonstrate how *easy* it is for anyone to
purchase a firearm ... in this case several ... with no background
checks and not even a check to ensure the buyer was entitled to buy.

It wasn't to expose law breaking (although it did).

The producer committed at least 2 crimes. He purchased a gun as a non
resident, then he carried that illegally purchased gun across a state
line. Since he was purchasing it for CNN, not himself, (CNN gave him
the money) he is also a straw purchaser.
That is 3 federal crimes. ... three counts each for 3 guns.

Up to $900,000 fine and 90 years in jail.

CNN didn't say that did they?



That's kind of what I was thinking.... with my tin hat and all Either
that or the whole sale was actors and fake guns... but no news agency
would do that :O


This place is hilarious. If you don't like something ... deny it
exists. Simple.


Yup, everyone here but you and Harry are ****ed up.

Sad.

[Mr. Luddite]

On 11/5/2014 1:23 PM, KC wrote:
On 11/5/2014 12:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/5/2014 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 11:28:39 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/5/2014 11:23 AM, wrote:

The producer committed at least 2 crimes. He purchased a gun as a non
resident, then he carried that illegally purchased gun across a state
line. Since he was purchasing it for CNN, not himself, (CNN gave him
the money) he is also a straw purchaser.
That is 3 federal crimes. ... three counts each for 3 guns.

Up to $900,000 fine and 90 years in jail.

CNN didn't say that did they?




Good freakin' grief Greg.

See 18 U.S.C. 922

The producer "received" 3 guns in interstate commerce
He transported those 3 guns across a state line
He purchased them for a 3d party.

18 U.S. Code § 924
says fines up to $100,000 and 10 years in federal prison per count.

I don't write the laws, I just read them. The problem is nobody even
knows what the current law is because nobody gets prosecuted. They
would rather throw the book at a guy with 3 joints in his sock

Unenforced, what law do you think would "fix" this problem? Enforced,
we already have plenty of laws.



There are many people who think CNN broke the law. The guys that sold
them the guns without checking an ID broke the law (at least state law).

Neither CNN or the sellers were prosecuted. There is no evidence that
CNN transported the guns over state lines as you "assumed" they did. At
the end of the video Cooper says that the guns were turned over to CNN
security. Could have been in the parking lot of the gun show. CNN
security may have turned them over to the local police department. I
don't know. You don't know.

Again, the purpose of the report to was demonstrate how easy it is for
anyone to get guns.



I think if you add up both sides, and what was and wasn't said... as
well as considering the source, it's probably 50/50 that it's just
actors and fake guns



Actors and fake guns. Whew.

[Mr. Luddite]

On 11/5/2014 1:14 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 11:27:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


You obviously didn't pay much attention to the report or video.

OK I am watching it now.
The gun show where they "scored" was in Tennessee violating federal
law, then they went to 2 more states plus Georgia where they started.
I was wrong, they had 4 counts each of violating 3 sections of the
federal law I posted (not 3)
I missed South Carolina where they did get refused on camera along
with acknowledging that they were refused a few other times but that
is not what they hit hard on in the piece.

I will say again, they would not have to walk far from the Atlanta
studio to buy crack and there is probably a pusher right in the
building. Does that say crack is not illegal enough?


Are we watching the same video?

If so, as a self proclaimed legal scholar, maybe you should call the
BATF and demand arrest and prosecution. Maybe there's a reward in it
for you.

[Mr. Luddite]

On 11/5/2014 1:20 PM, KC wrote:
On 11/5/2014 12:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/5/2014 12:36 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/5/14 12:23 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/5/2014 11:43 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:48:22 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



They didn't. They were demonstrating how easy it is for anyone to
purchase guns.


That is the way they presented the story but what they actually said
was that they had to drive around through 3 states to find a gun show
with a guy who would sell them an illegal gun.
They could take a short walk from their Atlanta studio and buy some
crack but that does not mean there are not enough drug laws.



Holy Crap! How the story changes. They didn't "actually say"
anything
of the kind Greg.

They said they visited five gun shows in three states to demonstrate
how
easily purchasing a gun was without an ID. That's all.

They didn't say they "had to drive around through 3 states to find a
gun
show with a guy who would sell them a gun".

Why the dishonest BS?





i am surprised you are surprised by the behavior of greg and the other
gun nuts in here and, of course, psychosnotty, who implies he cannot buy
a firearm without a pardon.



Normally Greg presents his views with verifiable data but twice now in
less than 24 hours he has very deliberately changed or misrepresented
what has been said here.

The first was yesterday when, after you provided an account of your
wrist injury, he changed the story and claimed that *you* approached and
sucker punched the guy.

Today he is re-wording what was said by the CNN investigative report on
gun show sales.

That's dishonest.


Kinda' like someone saying they found Dana Loesh and knew all about her
by googling "Dana on Fox"...


You can call it dishonest. I call it an honest mistake which I
acknowledged.

[Mr. Luddite]

On 11/5/2014 1:26 PM, KC wrote:
On 11/5/2014 12:14 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/5/2014 11:29 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/5/2014 11:23 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:21:00 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/5/2014 9:05 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/5/2014 8:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/5/2014 8:22 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/5/2014 12:54 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 00:00:41 -0500, KC
wrote:




I doubt it... Could be that they fudged the circumstances or
edited
though. CNN and even more MSNBC have been caught several times
doing
things like that.. I am not saying this story is fudged, but
it's very
possible if nobody ever really got busted.

I think that if this was a real news story, they would have
questioned
the sellers after the sale. I wonder why they didn't.
By fuzzing the faces and not addressing it any further, even to
the
point of saying the seller refused an interview, they make this
look
pretty hokey.
I agree that if this really happened the way they presented it,
laws
were broken. My first question is where does the producer live?
They
attempted to buy guns in a couple of states and the
transactions on
tape were in Tennessee. I bet the producer lives in Georgia.
(CNN is
based in Atlanta)
When BATF starts rounding up the criminals, they have to start
with
the guy who taped his crime.


Well, can we for the purpose of this discussion view this "report"
as a
hypothetical but not proven to be real yet? Of course that kills
the
perspective of those in the discussion riding on this as
"evidence"...


The role of journalism in a report like this isn't to effect the
arrest
or apprehension of those breaking the law. It is to expose the law
breaking.

Journalists enjoy a privilege called "confidentiality of sources"
and
are not required to identify the people in the report. That's why
their
images are blurred.




They are still not allowed to commit or participate knowingly in a
crime...


What crime did the show's producer commit? All he did was buy three
handguns and a rifle. Private sale, so no background check is
required.

What was illegal, according to the report, is that the sellers were
supposed to confirm the ID of the purchaser to ensure he was a state
resident.

The show's intent was to demonstrate how *easy* it is for anyone to
purchase a firearm ... in this case several ... with no background
checks and not even a check to ensure the buyer was entitled to buy.

It wasn't to expose law breaking (although it did).

The producer committed at least 2 crimes. He purchased a gun as a non
resident, then he carried that illegally purchased gun across a state
line. Since he was purchasing it for CNN, not himself, (CNN gave him
the money) he is also a straw purchaser.
That is 3 federal crimes. ... three counts each for 3 guns.

Up to $900,000 fine and 90 years in jail.

CNN didn't say that did they?



That's kind of what I was thinking.... with my tin hat and all Either
that or the whole sale was actors and fake guns... but no news agency
would do that :O


This place is hilarious. If you don't like something ... deny it
exists. Simple.



Don't take it so personally dick, why do all libs think having an
opposing opinion is a personal attack? Is it because deep inside they
have doubts??? Just wondering...


It has nothing to do with taking anything personally. I don't,
especially in this newsgroup. When people make outrageous claims that
any reasonable, sane person would question, I may exercise my right to
comment. If I am proven wrong, I'll acknowledge it. You have done the
same in the past and it's something I respect.

[Mr. Luddite]

On 11/5/2014 2:29 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 12:14:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/5/2014 11:29 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/5/2014 11:23 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:21:00 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/5/2014 9:05 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/5/2014 8:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/5/2014 8:22 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/5/2014 12:54 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 00:00:41 -0500, KC
wrote:




I doubt it... Could be that they fudged the circumstances or edited
though. CNN and even more MSNBC have been caught several times
doing
things like that.. I am not saying this story is fudged, but
it's very
possible if nobody ever really got busted.

I think that if this was a real news story, they would have
questioned
the sellers after the sale. I wonder why they didn't.
By fuzzing the faces and not addressing it any further, even to the
point of saying the seller refused an interview, they make this look
pretty hokey.
I agree that if this really happened the way they presented it, laws
were broken. My first question is where does the producer live? They
attempted to buy guns in a couple of states and the transactions on
tape were in Tennessee. I bet the producer lives in Georgia. (CNN is
based in Atlanta)
When BATF starts rounding up the criminals, they have to start with
the guy who taped his crime.


Well, can we for the purpose of this discussion view this "report"
as a
hypothetical but not proven to be real yet? Of course that kills the
perspective of those in the discussion riding on this as
"evidence"...


The role of journalism in a report like this isn't to effect the
arrest
or apprehension of those breaking the law. It is to expose the law
breaking.

Journalists enjoy a privilege called "confidentiality of sources" and
are not required to identify the people in the report. That's why
their
images are blurred.




They are still not allowed to commit or participate knowingly in a
crime...


What crime did the show's producer commit? All he did was buy three
handguns and a rifle. Private sale, so no background check is required.

What was illegal, according to the report, is that the sellers were
supposed to confirm the ID of the purchaser to ensure he was a state
resident.

The show's intent was to demonstrate how *easy* it is for anyone to
purchase a firearm ... in this case several ... with no background
checks and not even a check to ensure the buyer was entitled to buy.

It wasn't to expose law breaking (although it did).

The producer committed at least 2 crimes. He purchased a gun as a non
resident, then he carried that illegally purchased gun across a state
line. Since he was purchasing it for CNN, not himself, (CNN gave him
the money) he is also a straw purchaser.
That is 3 federal crimes. ... three counts each for 3 guns.

Up to $900,000 fine and 90 years in jail.

CNN didn't say that did they?



That's kind of what I was thinking.... with my tin hat and all Either
that or the whole sale was actors and fake guns... but no news agency
would do that :O


This place is hilarious. If you don't like something ... deny it
exists. Simple.


Yup, everyone here but you and Harry are ****ed up.

Sad.


If that's your conclusion, thanks for the compliment.

[F*O*A*D]

On 11/5/14 3:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/5/2014 2:29 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 12:14:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/5/2014 11:29 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/5/2014 11:23 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:21:00 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/5/2014 9:05 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/5/2014 8:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/5/2014 8:22 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/5/2014 12:54 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 00:00:41 -0500, KC
wrote:




I doubt it... Could be that they fudged the circumstances or
edited
though. CNN and even more MSNBC have been caught several times
doing
things like that.. I am not saying this story is fudged, but
it's very
possible if nobody ever really got busted.

I think that if this was a real news story, they would have
questioned
the sellers after the sale. I wonder why they didn't.
By fuzzing the faces and not addressing it any further, even
to the
point of saying the seller refused an interview, they make
this look
pretty hokey.
I agree that if this really happened the way they presented
it, laws
were broken. My first question is where does the producer
live? They
attempted to buy guns in a couple of states and the
transactions on
tape were in Tennessee. I bet the producer lives in Georgia.
(CNN is
based in Atlanta)
When BATF starts rounding up the criminals, they have to start
with
the guy who taped his crime.


Well, can we for the purpose of this discussion view this "report"
as a
hypothetical but not proven to be real yet? Of course that
kills the
perspective of those in the discussion riding on this as
"evidence"...


The role of journalism in a report like this isn't to effect the
arrest
or apprehension of those breaking the law. It is to expose the law
breaking.

Journalists enjoy a privilege called "confidentiality of
sources" and
are not required to identify the people in the report. That's why
their
images are blurred.




They are still not allowed to commit or participate knowingly in a
crime...


What crime did the show's producer commit? All he did was buy three
handguns and a rifle. Private sale, so no background check is
required.

What was illegal, according to the report, is that the sellers were
supposed to confirm the ID of the purchaser to ensure he was a state
resident.

The show's intent was to demonstrate how *easy* it is for anyone to
purchase a firearm ... in this case several ... with no background
checks and not even a check to ensure the buyer was entitled to buy.

It wasn't to expose law breaking (although it did).

The producer committed at least 2 crimes. He purchased a gun as a non
resident, then he carried that illegally purchased gun across a state
line. Since he was purchasing it for CNN, not himself, (CNN gave him
the money) he is also a straw purchaser.
That is 3 federal crimes. ... three counts each for 3 guns.

Up to $900,000 fine and 90 years in jail.

CNN didn't say that did they?



That's kind of what I was thinking.... with my tin hat and all
Either
that or the whole sale was actors and fake guns... but no news agency
would do that :O


This place is hilarious. If you don't like something ... deny it
exists. Simple.


Yup, everyone here but you and Harry are ****ed up.

Sad.


If that's your conclusion, thanks for the compliment.


There are cowards in this newsgroup who, if forced to choose between
keeping their guns and the lives of their children/grandchildren, would
keep their guns and claim their progeny died for "the cause."

--
“There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the
economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” -
Norman Mailer