[Mr. Luddite]

On 11/5/2014 11:29 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/5/2014 11:23 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:21:00 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/5/2014 9:05 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/5/2014 8:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/5/2014 8:22 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/5/2014 12:54 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 00:00:41 -0500, KC
wrote:




I doubt it... Could be that they fudged the circumstances or edited
though. CNN and even more MSNBC have been caught several times
doing
things like that.. I am not saying this story is fudged, but
it's very
possible if nobody ever really got busted.

I think that if this was a real news story, they would have
questioned
the sellers after the sale. I wonder why they didn't.
By fuzzing the faces and not addressing it any further, even to the
point of saying the seller refused an interview, they make this look
pretty hokey.
I agree that if this really happened the way they presented it, laws
were broken. My first question is where does the producer live? They
attempted to buy guns in a couple of states and the transactions on
tape were in Tennessee. I bet the producer lives in Georgia. (CNN is
based in Atlanta)
When BATF starts rounding up the criminals, they have to start with
the guy who taped his crime.


Well, can we for the purpose of this discussion view this "report"
as a
hypothetical but not proven to be real yet? Of course that kills the
perspective of those in the discussion riding on this as
"evidence"...


The role of journalism in a report like this isn't to effect the
arrest
or apprehension of those breaking the law. It is to expose the law
breaking.

Journalists enjoy a privilege called "confidentiality of sources" and
are not required to identify the people in the report. That's why
their
images are blurred.




They are still not allowed to commit or participate knowingly in a
crime...


What crime did the show's producer commit? All he did was buy three
handguns and a rifle. Private sale, so no background check is required.

What was illegal, according to the report, is that the sellers were
supposed to confirm the ID of the purchaser to ensure he was a state
resident.

The show's intent was to demonstrate how *easy* it is for anyone to
purchase a firearm ... in this case several ... with no background
checks and not even a check to ensure the buyer was entitled to buy.

It wasn't to expose law breaking (although it did).

The producer committed at least 2 crimes. He purchased a gun as a non
resident, then he carried that illegally purchased gun across a state
line. Since he was purchasing it for CNN, not himself, (CNN gave him
the money) he is also a straw purchaser.
That is 3 federal crimes. ... three counts each for 3 guns.

Up to $900,000 fine and 90 years in jail.

CNN didn't say that did they?



That's kind of what I was thinking.... with my tin hat and all Either
that or the whole sale was actors and fake guns... but no news agency
would do that :O


This place is hilarious. If you don't like something ... deny it
exists. Simple.

[Mr. Luddite]

On 11/5/2014 11:43 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:48:22 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



They didn't. They were demonstrating how easy it is for anyone to
purchase guns.


That is the way they presented the story but what they actually said
was that they had to drive around through 3 states to find a gun show
with a guy who would sell them an illegal gun.
They could take a short walk from their Atlanta studio and buy some
crack but that does not mean there are not enough drug laws.



Holy Crap! How the story changes. They didn't "actually say" anything
of the kind Greg.

They said they visited five gun shows in three states to demonstrate how
easily purchasing a gun was without an ID. That's all.

They didn't say they "had to drive around through 3 states to find a gun
show with a guy who would sell them a gun".

Why the dishonest BS?

[F*O*A*D]

On 11/5/14 12:23 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/5/2014 11:43 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:48:22 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



They didn't. They were demonstrating how easy it is for anyone to
purchase guns.


That is the way they presented the story but what they actually said
was that they had to drive around through 3 states to find a gun show
with a guy who would sell them an illegal gun.
They could take a short walk from their Atlanta studio and buy some
crack but that does not mean there are not enough drug laws.



Holy Crap! How the story changes. They didn't "actually say" anything
of the kind Greg.

They said they visited five gun shows in three states to demonstrate how
easily purchasing a gun was without an ID. That's all.

They didn't say they "had to drive around through 3 states to find a gun
show with a guy who would sell them a gun".

Why the dishonest BS?





i am surprised you are surprised by the behavior of greg and the other
gun nuts in here and, of course, psychosnotty, who implies he cannot buy
a firearm without a pardon.

--
“There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the
economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” -
Norman Mailer

[Mr. Luddite]

On 11/5/2014 12:36 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/5/14 12:23 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/5/2014 11:43 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:48:22 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



They didn't. They were demonstrating how easy it is for anyone to
purchase guns.


That is the way they presented the story but what they actually said
was that they had to drive around through 3 states to find a gun show
with a guy who would sell them an illegal gun.
They could take a short walk from their Atlanta studio and buy some
crack but that does not mean there are not enough drug laws.



Holy Crap! How the story changes. They didn't "actually say" anything
of the kind Greg.

They said they visited five gun shows in three states to demonstrate how
easily purchasing a gun was without an ID. That's all.

They didn't say they "had to drive around through 3 states to find a gun
show with a guy who would sell them a gun".

Why the dishonest BS?





i am surprised you are surprised by the behavior of greg and the other
gun nuts in here and, of course, psychosnotty, who implies he cannot buy
a firearm without a pardon.



Normally Greg presents his views with verifiable data but twice now in
less than 24 hours he has very deliberately changed or misrepresented
what has been said here.

The first was yesterday when, after you provided an account of your
wrist injury, he changed the story and claimed that *you* approached and
sucker punched the guy.

Today he is re-wording what was said by the CNN investigative report on
gun show sales.

That's dishonest.

[F*O*A*D]

On 11/5/14 12:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/5/2014 12:36 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/5/14 12:23 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/5/2014 11:43 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:48:22 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



They didn't. They were demonstrating how easy it is for anyone to
purchase guns.


That is the way they presented the story but what they actually said
was that they had to drive around through 3 states to find a gun show
with a guy who would sell them an illegal gun.
They could take a short walk from their Atlanta studio and buy some
crack but that does not mean there are not enough drug laws.



Holy Crap! How the story changes. They didn't "actually say" anything
of the kind Greg.

They said they visited five gun shows in three states to demonstrate how
easily purchasing a gun was without an ID. That's all.

They didn't say they "had to drive around through 3 states to find a gun
show with a guy who would sell them a gun".

Why the dishonest BS?





i am surprised you are surprised by the behavior of greg and the other
gun nuts in here and, of course, psychosnotty, who implies he cannot buy
a firearm without a pardon.



Normally Greg presents his views with verifiable data but twice now in
less than 24 hours he has very deliberately changed or misrepresented
what has been said here.

The first was yesterday when, after you provided an account of your
wrist injury, he changed the story and claimed that *you* approached and
sucker punched the guy.

Today he is re-wording what was said by the CNN investigative report on
gun show sales.

That's dishonest.



You've got the gun nutzis on the ropes. He's a gun nutzi. Gun nutzis are
opposed to firearms regulations.



--
“There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the
economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” -
Norman Mailer

[Mr. Luddite]

On 11/5/2014 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 11:28:39 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/5/2014 11:23 AM, wrote:

The producer committed at least 2 crimes. He purchased a gun as a non
resident, then he carried that illegally purchased gun across a state
line. Since he was purchasing it for CNN, not himself, (CNN gave him
the money) he is also a straw purchaser.
That is 3 federal crimes. ... three counts each for 3 guns.

Up to $900,000 fine and 90 years in jail.

CNN didn't say that did they?




Good freakin' grief Greg.

See 18 U.S.C. 922

The producer "received" 3 guns in interstate commerce
He transported those 3 guns across a state line
He purchased them for a 3d party.

18 U.S. Code § 924
says fines up to $100,000 and 10 years in federal prison per count.

I don't write the laws, I just read them. The problem is nobody even
knows what the current law is because nobody gets prosecuted. They
would rather throw the book at a guy with 3 joints in his sock

Unenforced, what law do you think would "fix" this problem? Enforced,
we already have plenty of laws.



There are many people who think CNN broke the law. The guys that sold
them the guns without checking an ID broke the law (at least state law).

Neither CNN or the sellers were prosecuted. There is no evidence that
CNN transported the guns over state lines as you "assumed" they did. At
the end of the video Cooper says that the guns were turned over to CNN
security. Could have been in the parking lot of the gun show. CNN
security may have turned them over to the local police department. I
don't know. You don't know.

Again, the purpose of the report to was demonstrate how easy it is for
anyone to get guns.

[Mr. Luddite]

On 11/5/2014 12:55 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 11:32:52 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:


no shortage of hits on "gun show loophole."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b-ztawuh98

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/0...Unanimous-Vote

many hits for virginia...here is one:

http://tinyurl.com/mywfmo6

I can get thousands of hits on "the Mossad blew up the world trade
center" too but that does not make it true.
The fact is that these guys on MSNBC broke federal laws to make their
little movie. Would more laws make it more illegal?

Dick produced a stat that says less than one percent of crime guns
came from a gun show.



CNN. Not MSNBC. Let's keep the stories straight.

[Mr. Luddite]

On 11/5/2014 12:55 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 11:32:52 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:


no shortage of hits on "gun show loophole."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b-ztawuh98

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/0...Unanimous-Vote

many hits for virginia...here is one:

http://tinyurl.com/mywfmo6

I can get thousands of hits on "the Mossad blew up the world trade
center" too but that does not make it true.
The fact is that these guys on MSNBC broke federal laws to make their
little movie. Would more laws make it more illegal?

Dick produced a stat that says less than one percent of crime guns
came from a gun show.



Oh. If so, then they must be ok.

[Mr. Luddite]

On 11/5/2014 1:00 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 12:23:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/5/2014 11:43 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:48:22 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



They didn't. They were demonstrating how easy it is for anyone to
purchase guns.


That is the way they presented the story but what they actually said
was that they had to drive around through 3 states to find a gun show
with a guy who would sell them an illegal gun.
They could take a short walk from their Atlanta studio and buy some
crack but that does not mean there are not enough drug laws.



Holy Crap! How the story changes. They didn't "actually say" anything
of the kind Greg.

They said they visited five gun shows in three states to demonstrate how
easily purchasing a gun was without an ID. That's all.

They didn't say they "had to drive around through 3 states to find a gun
show with a guy who would sell them a gun".

Why the dishonest BS?



That is what the map they put up there showed.
I am fairly familiar with that area around Elijay because we
vacationed there 4 times. You are right on the Georgia, Tennessee,
North Carolina lines and the loop they showed went through all 3
states.
I will go back and watch it again.



Please do and then report back on when they said they "had to drive
around through 3 states to find a gun show with a guy who would sell
them a gun"

[KC]

On 11/5/2014 12:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/5/2014 12:36 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/5/14 12:23 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/5/2014 11:43 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:48:22 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



They didn't. They were demonstrating how easy it is for anyone to
purchase guns.


That is the way they presented the story but what they actually said
was that they had to drive around through 3 states to find a gun show
with a guy who would sell them an illegal gun.
They could take a short walk from their Atlanta studio and buy some
crack but that does not mean there are not enough drug laws.



Holy Crap! How the story changes. They didn't "actually say" anything
of the kind Greg.

They said they visited five gun shows in three states to demonstrate how
easily purchasing a gun was without an ID. That's all.

They didn't say they "had to drive around through 3 states to find a gun
show with a guy who would sell them a gun".

Why the dishonest BS?





i am surprised you are surprised by the behavior of greg and the other
gun nuts in here and, of course, psychosnotty, who implies he cannot buy
a firearm without a pardon.



Normally Greg presents his views with verifiable data but twice now in
less than 24 hours he has very deliberately changed or misrepresented
what has been said here.

The first was yesterday when, after you provided an account of your
wrist injury, he changed the story and claimed that *you* approached and
sucker punched the guy.

Today he is re-wording what was said by the CNN investigative report on
gun show sales.

That's dishonest.


Kinda' like someone saying they found Dana Loesh and knew all about her
by googling "Dana on Fox"...