On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 14:22:31 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:26:04 -0700, jps wrote:

Witnesses have the cop 20 - 25 feet away. Cops are not given
permission by MO law to fire on a suspect without their lives being
threatened. This was murder.

I don't know where you're getting your information, but it's a bad
source.

===

I don't know where you're getting information either, but it's a bad
source. The LEO called Brown to his car for questioning. Brown
responded by punching the cop in the face and tried to grab his gun. A
shot was fired in the ensuing struggle. Brown then fled on foot and
at some point turned around. Everything beyond that is speculation
and conjecture.

Except witnesses are saying that the cop and the kid were 20 - 25 feet
away from one another when the cop fired the kill shots.

If the witnesses are backed up by cell phone footage, the cop is going
to have a hard time explaining how he felt danger for his life against
an unarmed man who had already been hit by several bullets.

The last shot entered the skull from the top of the head, meaning he
was leaning forward, about to fall.

Ugly. No one should be executed like that, even if the cop was
punched in the face.

If he comes away unscathed, there will certainly be hell to pay.

On 8/27/14 2:53 AM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 14:22:31 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:26:04 -0700, jps wrote:

Witnesses have the cop 20 - 25 feet away. Cops are not given
permission by MO law to fire on a suspect without their lives being
threatened. This was murder.

I don't know where you're getting your information, but it's a bad
source.

===

I don't know where you're getting information either, but it's a bad
source. The LEO called Brown to his car for questioning. Brown
responded by punching the cop in the face and tried to grab his gun. A
shot was fired in the ensuing struggle. Brown then fled on foot and
at some point turned around. Everything beyond that is speculation
and conjecture.

Except witnesses are saying that the cop and the kid were 20 - 25 feet
away from one another when the cop fired the kill shots.

If the witnesses are backed up by cell phone footage, the cop is going
to have a hard time explaining how he felt danger for his life against
an unarmed man who had already been hit by several bullets.

The last shot entered the skull from the top of the head, meaning he
was leaning forward, about to fall.

Ugly. No one should be executed like that, even if the cop was
punched in the face.

If he comes away unscathed, there will certainly be hell to pay.



We don't even have a handle in this country of just how many people are
shot by the police each year.

The unknown number of people killed in police-involved shootings each
year, as FiveThirtyEight reports:

Efforts to keep track of “justifiable police homicides” are beset
by systemic problems. “Nobody that knows anything about the SHR puts
credence in the numbers that they call ‘justifiable homicides,’” when
used as a proxy for police killings, said David Klinger, an associate
professor of criminology and criminal justice at the University of
Missouri who specializes in policing and the use of deadly force. And
there’s no governmental effort at all to record the number of
unjustifiable homicides by police. If Brown’s homicide is found to be
unjustifiable, it won’t show up in these statistics.

Four per cent is the percentage of American law enforcement agencies
that report any police-involved shootings to the FBI’s database -- 700
out of a total of 17,000, according to USA Today. These agencies only
record so-called "justifiable homicides," or incidents in which an armed
suspect was shot by police. All in all, we're left with a reporting
system that tells us very little about how many people are killed by
police, and nothing about those killed in an unjust fashion.

On 8/27/2014 2:53 AM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 14:22:31 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:26:04 -0700, jps wrote:

Witnesses have the cop 20 - 25 feet away. Cops are not given
permission by MO law to fire on a suspect without their lives being
threatened. This was murder.

I don't know where you're getting your information, but it's a bad
source.

===

I don't know where you're getting information either, but it's a bad
source. The LEO called Brown to his car for questioning. Brown
responded by punching the cop in the face and tried to grab his gun. A
shot was fired in the ensuing struggle. Brown then fled on foot and
at some point turned around. Everything beyond that is speculation
and conjecture.

Except witnesses are saying that the cop and the kid were 20 - 25 feet
away from one another when the cop fired the kill shots.

If the witnesses are backed up by cell phone footage, the cop is going
to have a hard time explaining how he felt danger for his life against
an unarmed man who had already been hit by several bullets.

The last shot entered the skull from the top of the head, meaning he
was leaning forward, about to fall.

Ugly. No one should be executed like that, even if the cop was
punched in the face.

If he comes away unscathed, there will certainly be hell to pay.


Yeah, **** you and them too. If they riot, I hope the cops mow 'em
down,I hope Sharpton is right in front.

On 8/27/14 7:11 AM, KC wrote:
On 8/27/2014 2:53 AM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 14:22:31 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:26:04 -0700, jps wrote:

Witnesses have the cop 20 - 25 feet away. Cops are not given
permission by MO law to fire on a suspect without their lives being
threatened. This was murder.

I don't know where you're getting your information, but it's a bad
source.

===

I don't know where you're getting information either, but it's a bad
source. The LEO called Brown to his car for questioning. Brown
responded by punching the cop in the face and tried to grab his gun. A
shot was fired in the ensuing struggle. Brown then fled on foot and
at some point turned around. Everything beyond that is speculation
and conjecture.

Except witnesses are saying that the cop and the kid were 20 - 25 feet
away from one another when the cop fired the kill shots.

If the witnesses are backed up by cell phone footage, the cop is going
to have a hard time explaining how he felt danger for his life against
an unarmed man who had already been hit by several bullets.

The last shot entered the skull from the top of the head, meaning he
was leaning forward, about to fall.

Ugly. No one should be executed like that, even if the cop was
punched in the face.

If he comes away unscathed, there will certainly be hell to pay.


Yeah, **** you and them too. If they riot, I hope the cops mow 'em
down,I hope Sharpton is right in front.


Gosh, what a civil libertarian you are, eh, for a useless greasy little
troll.

On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 07:19:29 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Gosh, what a civil libertarian you are, eh, for a useless greasy little
troll.

===

The entire incident had nothing to do with civil rights. That is a
made up pretext for rioting and looting.

On 8/27/14 11:12 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 06:00:01 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


We don't even have a handle in this country of just how many people are
shot by the police each year.

The unknown number of people killed in police-involved shootings each
year, as FiveThirtyEight reports:

Efforts to keep track of “justifiable police homicides� are beset
by systemic problems. “Nobody that knows anything about the SHR puts
credence in the numbers that they call ‘justifiable homicides,’� when
used as a proxy for police killings, said David Klinger, an associate
professor of criminology and criminal justice at the University of
Missouri who specializes in policing and the use of deadly force. And
there’s no governmental effort at all to record the number of
unjustifiable homicides by police. If Brown’s homicide is found to be
unjustifiable, it won’t show up in these statistics.

Four per cent is the percentage of American law enforcement agencies
that report any police-involved shootings to the FBI’s database -- 700
out of a total of 17,000, according to USA Today. These agencies only
record so-called "justifiable homicides," or incidents in which an armed
suspect was shot by police. All in all, we're left with a reporting
system that tells us very little about how many people are killed by
police, and nothing about those killed in an unjust fashion.


I have heard that too but wouldn't "unjust" shootings result in some
kind of action against the police or the policeman?
It would certainly show up in the CDC statistics JP likes to
reference.
Are you saying these deaths simply go away without any investigation
at all?
Most if not all police departments have some kind of shooting board
that investigates every time a cop fires his weapon on the street.


Would that be like the FBI's self-investigatory shooting panel that
determined that of some 700 FBI deadly shootings, each one was
justified? What I am saying is that police review boards *tend* to side
with the policeman, and cops overwhelmingly are acquitted by juries,
too. Didn't you cite the murder of Amadou Diallo? Yet another in the
long list of outrageous police murders.

On 8/27/14 11:57 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:26:08 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 8/27/14 11:12 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 06:00:01 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


We don't even have a handle in this country of just how many people are
shot by the police each year.

The unknown number of people killed in police-involved shootings each
year, as FiveThirtyEight reports:

Efforts to keep track of “justifiable police homicides� are beset
by systemic problems. “Nobody that knows anything about the SHR puts
credence in the numbers that they call ‘justifiable homicides,’� when
used as a proxy for police killings, said David Klinger, an associate
professor of criminology and criminal justice at the University of
Missouri who specializes in policing and the use of deadly force. And
there’s no governmental effort at all to record the number of
unjustifiable homicides by police. If Brown’s homicide is found to be
unjustifiable, it won’t show up in these statistics.

Four per cent is the percentage of American law enforcement agencies
that report any police-involved shootings to the FBI’s database -- 700
out of a total of 17,000, according to USA Today. These agencies only
record so-called "justifiable homicides," or incidents in which an armed
suspect was shot by police. All in all, we're left with a reporting
system that tells us very little about how many people are killed by
police, and nothing about those killed in an unjust fashion.


I have heard that too but wouldn't "unjust" shootings result in some
kind of action against the police or the policeman?
It would certainly show up in the CDC statistics JP likes to
reference.
Are you saying these deaths simply go away without any investigation
at all?
Most if not all police departments have some kind of shooting board
that investigates every time a cop fires his weapon on the street.


Would that be like the FBI's self-investigatory shooting panel that
determined that of some 700 FBI deadly shootings, each one was
justified? What I am saying is that police review boards *tend* to side
with the policeman, and cops overwhelmingly are acquitted by juries,
too. Didn't you cite the murder of Amadou Diallo? Yet another in the
long list of outrageous police murders.

I am just saying these killings are documented, just not so well by
the FBI because it is a voluntary submission to them.

I have pointed out that the Diallo shooting is far more egregious than
the killing of that thug Mike Brown. I also question why the left is
not outraged by blue state incidents, yet they are all over red state
incidents.
I still doubt any of these rise to the level of "murder".



I don't know that "these killings are documented," or that, if they are,
the documentation meets any sort of standard.

On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:12:14 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 06:00:01 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


We don't even have a handle in this country of just how many people are
shot by the police each year.

The unknown number of people killed in police-involved shootings each
year, as FiveThirtyEight reports:

Efforts to keep track of “justifiable police homicides” are beset
by systemic problems. “Nobody that knows anything about the SHR puts
credence in the numbers that they call ‘justifiable homicides,’” when
used as a proxy for police killings, said David Klinger, an associate
professor of criminology and criminal justice at the University of
Missouri who specializes in policing and the use of deadly force. And
there’s no governmental effort at all to record the number of
unjustifiable homicides by police. If Brown’s homicide is found to be
unjustifiable, it won’t show up in these statistics.

Four per cent is the percentage of American law enforcement agencies
that report any police-involved shootings to the FBI’s database -- 700
out of a total of 17,000, according to USA Today. These agencies only
record so-called "justifiable homicides," or incidents in which an armed
suspect was shot by police. All in all, we're left with a reporting
system that tells us very little about how many people are killed by
police, and nothing about those killed in an unjust fashion.


I have heard that too but wouldn't "unjust" shootings result in some
kind of action against the police or the policeman?
It would certainly show up in the CDC statistics JP likes to
reference.
Are you saying these deaths simply go away without any investigation
at all?
Most if not all police departments have some kind of shooting board
that investigates every time a cop fires his weapon on the street.

Given the unionization of police, I don't see how Harry could think they'd be anything but upright
and honest.

On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 12:31:06 PM UTC-4, wrote:

I do agree that everyone should be teaching their kids how to deal
with the cops. The same kind of thuggery that they can get away with
on teachers, parents and shop owners will get them killed with the
cops. It is just a fact.

Chris Rock beat you to it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcRisFC9ab4

I have looked down the barrel of a cop gun myself more than once and I
am a white guy. I am confident that a false move would have gotten me
killed.

I've had one step back and unsnap his holster because I kept putting my hands in my pockets during a traffic stop years ago. It was just a habit. When he did that I put my hands on the hood. He said I didn't have to do that, but I told him I did because if not, I'd just stick my hands back into my pockets. We did just fine after that.

Here's a funny story that came out just after the Brown shooting. A racist trying to ride the wave. The dash cam video shot his story down. :-)
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/08/25/5128421/video-obtained-after-pastor-naacp.html

On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 1:46:28 PM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:12:14 -0400, wrote:



On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 06:00:01 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:





We don't even have a handle in this country of just how many people are

shot by the police each year.



The unknown number of people killed in police-involved shootings each

year, as FiveThirtyEight reports:



Efforts to keep track of �justifiable police homicides� are beset

by systemic problems. �Nobody that knows anything about the SHR puts

credence in the numbers that they call �justifiable homicides,�� when

used as a proxy for police killings, said David Klinger, an associate

professor of criminology and criminal justice at the University of

Missouri who specializes in policing and the use of deadly force. And

there�s no governmental effort at all to record the number of

unjustifiable homicides by police. If Brown�s homicide is found to be

unjustifiable, it won�t show up in these statistics.



Four per cent is the percentage of American law enforcement agencies

that report any police-involved shootings to the FBI�s database -- 700

out of a total of 17,000, according to USA Today. These agencies only

record so-called "justifiable homicides," or incidents in which an armed

suspect was shot by police. All in all, we're left with a reporting

system that tells us very little about how many people are killed by

police, and nothing about those killed in an unjust fashion.





I have heard that too but wouldn't "unjust" shootings result in some

kind of action against the police or the policeman?

It would certainly show up in the CDC statistics JP likes to

reference.

Are you saying these deaths simply go away without any investigation

at all?

Most if not all police departments have some kind of shooting board

that investigates every time a cop fires his weapon on the street.



Given the unionization of police, I don't see how Harry could think they'd be anything but upright

and honest.

And of course, their own internal reviews of their shootings would be fair and even-handed. Being union and all.