On 2/25/14, 5:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/25/2014 5:06 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/25/14, 5:05 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:



To the best of my knowledge they pretty much all believed in a god or
gods. The concept of a supreme being or beings has existed since man
evolved to think abstractly and the mystery of life remains unanswered
but continues to consume our interest.

...and waste our time and energy.


In favor of what?

Why do humanitarian programs exist? Are we so perfect as humans that
we naturally come to the aid of people in need? I don't think so.
That's too god-like.

We have been influenced and taught that. By nature it's survival of the
fittest. What has influenced us to think otherwise?





Democrats, of course. In this country, virtually every social welfare
program of the last century that helps people in need was first devised
and promoted by Democrats and labor unions and organizations.

On 2/25/2014 5:28 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/25/14, 5:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/25/2014 5:06 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/25/14, 5:05 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:



To the best of my knowledge they pretty much all believed in a god or
gods. The concept of a supreme being or beings has existed since man
evolved to think abstractly and the mystery of life remains unanswered
but continues to consume our interest.

...and waste our time and energy.


In favor of what?

Why do humanitarian programs exist? Are we so perfect as humans that
we naturally come to the aid of people in need? I don't think so.
That's too god-like.

We have been influenced and taught that. By nature it's survival of the
fittest. What has influenced us to think otherwise?





Democrats, of course. In this country, virtually every social welfare
program of the last century that helps people in need was first devised
and promoted by Democrats and labor unions and organizations.


Now that's funny right there.

But, in a way I guess you are right. Democrats tend to like to dictate
and control our lives in terms of what we can and cannot do. Almost
like a supreme being.

Seriously, I'd challenge your attribution. I think most social welfare
and charitable programs of the last century probably have churches at
their roots.

On 2/25/14, 5:47 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/25/2014 5:28 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/25/14, 5:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/25/2014 5:06 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/25/14, 5:05 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:



To the best of my knowledge they pretty much all believed in a god or
gods. The concept of a supreme being or beings has existed since man
evolved to think abstractly and the mystery of life remains unanswered
but continues to consume our interest.

...and waste our time and energy.


In favor of what?

Why do humanitarian programs exist? Are we so perfect as humans that
we naturally come to the aid of people in need? I don't think so.
That's too god-like.

We have been influenced and taught that. By nature it's survival of the
fittest. What has influenced us to think otherwise?





Democrats, of course. In this country, virtually every social welfare
program of the last century that helps people in need was first devised
and promoted by Democrats and labor unions and organizations.


Now that's funny right there.

But, in a way I guess you are right. Democrats tend to like to dictate
and control our lives in terms of what we can and cannot do. Almost
like a supreme being.

Seriously, I'd challenge your attribution. I think most social welfare
and charitable programs of the last century probably have churches at
their roots.



It's not a matter of dictating, it's a matter of making sure there is a
safety net for those in need, and ways for lower income Americans to do
better for themselves and their families. To name a few:

eight hour work day
end of dangerous child labor
minimum wage
social security
support for free public schools
unemployment insurance
OSHA
Access to decent health care

There are dozens of these. I am hard-pressed to think of any Republican
accomplishments in the last century or so that strengthened the social
safety net of those in lower income groups.

On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:11:27 PM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:


It's not a matter of dictating, it's a matter of making sure there is a

safety net for those in need, and ways for lower income Americans to do

better for themselves and their families. To name a few:



eight hour work day

Dreamed up by Robert Owen (communist) But actually implemented by Henry Ford (Republican)

end of dangerous child labor

minimum wage

social security

support for free public schools

unemployment insurance

OSHA Richard Nixon created the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA)


Access to decent health care



There are dozens of these. I am hard-pressed to think of any Republican

accomplishments in the last century or so that strengthened the social

safety net of those in lower income groups.

On 2/25/14, 6:23 PM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:11:27 PM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:


It's not a matter of dictating, it's a matter of making sure there is a

safety net for those in need, and ways for lower income Americans to do

better for themselves and their families. To name a few:



eight hour work day

Dreamed up by Robert Owen (communist) But actually implemented by Henry Ford (Republican)


Owen was a socialist, not a communist. He was an early advocate for a
shorter worker day.

The eight hour day came about as a national cause because of worker
strikes and other union activities in New York and Chicago and some
other cities in the 1870s and 1880s, 35 years before Henry Ford jumped
aboard that ship.

On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:30:56 PM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/25/14, 6:23 PM, Tim wrote:

On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:11:27 PM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:





It's not a matter of dictating, it's a matter of making sure there is a



safety net for those in need, and ways for lower income Americans to do



better for themselves and their families. To name a few:







eight hour work day



Dreamed up by Robert Owen (communist) But actually implemented by Henry Ford (Republican)





Owen was a socialist, not a communist. He was an early advocate for a

shorter worker day.



The eight hour day came about as a national cause because of worker

strikes and other union activities in New York and Chicago and some

other cities in the 1870s and 1880s, 35 years before Henry Ford jumped

aboard that ship.

I'm familiar with the United Mine Workers probably getting the actual 8 hr. day, but Henry Ford was the first to really promote it and make it work well.

Owen was an inspiration to Karl Marx. so....

BTW, Owens euphoria cities (New Lanark England and New Harmony Indiana) didn't go over so well. Now they're not more than a tourist traps.

On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:28:26 PM UTC-5, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/25/14, 5:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 2/25/2014 5:06 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/25/14, 5:05 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:







To the best of my knowledge they pretty much all believed in a god or

gods. The concept of a supreme being or beings has existed since man

evolved to think abstractly and the mystery of life remains unanswered

but continues to consume our interest.



...and waste our time and energy.





In favor of what?



Why do humanitarian programs exist? Are we so perfect as humans that

we naturally come to the aid of people in need? I don't think so.

That's too god-like.



We have been influenced and taught that. By nature it's survival of the

fittest. What has influenced us to think otherwise?











Democrats, of course. In this country, virtually every social welfare

program of the last century that helps people in need was first devised

and promoted by Democrats and labor unions and organizations.

Well there you go then! God created Democrats and evolution after the 'big bang' created Republicans!

Your answer was cute, but Luddite's question still stands.

On 2/26/14, 8:32 AM, John H wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:28:26 PM UTC-5, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/25/14, 5:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 2/25/2014 5:06 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/25/14, 5:05 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:







To the best of my knowledge they pretty much all believed in a god or

gods. The concept of a supreme being or beings has existed since man

evolved to think abstractly and the mystery of life remains unanswered

but continues to consume our interest.



...and waste our time and energy.





In favor of what?



Why do humanitarian programs exist? Are we so perfect as humans that

we naturally come to the aid of people in need? I don't think so.

That's too god-like.



We have been influenced and taught that. By nature it's survival of the

fittest. What has influenced us to think otherwise?











Democrats, of course. In this country, virtually every social welfare

program of the last century that helps people in need was first devised

and promoted by Democrats and labor unions and organizations.

Well there you go then! God created Democrats and evolution after the 'big bang' created Republicans!

Your answer was cute, but Luddite's question still stands.



You know, John, sometimes it is hard for me to believe you've ever read
anything more challenging on a serious subject than an old Classics
Illustrated version. You're not someone whose thoughts on any subject
are to be taken seriously.

On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 08:42:39 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/26/14, 8:32 AM, John H wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:28:26 PM UTC-5, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/25/14, 5:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 2/25/2014 5:06 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/25/14, 5:05 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:







To the best of my knowledge they pretty much all believed in a god or

gods. The concept of a supreme being or beings has existed since man

evolved to think abstractly and the mystery of life remains unanswered

but continues to consume our interest.



...and waste our time and energy.





In favor of what?



Why do humanitarian programs exist? Are we so perfect as humans that

we naturally come to the aid of people in need? I don't think so.

That's too god-like.



We have been influenced and taught that. By nature it's survival of the

fittest. What has influenced us to think otherwise?











Democrats, of course. In this country, virtually every social welfare

program of the last century that helps people in need was first devised

and promoted by Democrats and labor unions and organizations.

Well there you go then! God created Democrats and evolution after the 'big bang' created Republicans!

Your answer was cute, but Luddite's question still stands.



You know, John, sometimes it is hard for me to believe you've ever read
anything more challenging on a serious subject than an old Classics
Illustrated version. You're not someone whose thoughts on any subject
are to be taken seriously.


You know, foad, sometimes it's hard for me to believe you can take yourself and all your gibberish
seriously. Do you really think you're worth a serious thought? I don't need to show off my
intellect. I don't need to disparage the beliefs of another. And I sure as **** don't need to put
any thought into responses to you.

Luddite put in some thought to his question to you. The one you answered 'Democrats'. I suppose you
had to come up with something 'cute', because he definitely had you in a corner.

Lastly, your opinions are worth about as much as what I scoop in the little plastic bag.

Remember, you're talking to a raping, baby-killing, homophobic racist, eh?

On 2/26/14, 9:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote:


I don't need to show off my
intellect.

Especially since you can't.