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On 1/20/14, 3:41 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 15:02:11 -0500, Hank wrote: On 1/20/2014 12:43 PM, wrote: On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 11:40:03 -0500, Hank wrote: On 1/20/2014 11:22 AM, wrote: On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 08:25:35 -0500, Hank wrote: I'm saving about $50 a month on my electric bill without changing any thing except light bulbs Saving $50 a month? Bull**** ... unless your house is lit like a used car lot all the time. That is 333 KWH per month (at 15c a KWH) Assuming you turn the lights off when you go to bed that is about 2000 watts of light you save every HOUR (based on 5,5 hours between sundown and bed time) You really had 2500 watts of light on all evening? (your LEDs and CFLs still draw something around 20%) I think you have fallen for the hype. I have 10 lamps that burn dusk to dawn. We use some lighting during the daytime also. I have spreadsheeted my KWH, Cost per KWK, and total cost. I'm comfortable with what I stated 10 lights from dusk to dawn? Let me guess, the Stalag 17 look . If you are burning 11,000 watt hours of light a day we can see your house from space. That is as much as my whole house air handler strip heaters use when I have the heat on for an hour running full blast. You need to reevaluate your lighting plan. Are you using a calculator, or are you counting on your fingers? A calculator. $50 at 0.15 a KWH is 333.33333333 KWH Divided by 30 is 11.111111 KWH a day The only variable is what is your cost for power, more accurately what is the incremental cost, minus the fixed charges that you pay anyway. I bet it is less than 15 cents ... unless you are in California. I pay 13 cents top line to bottom line and using less power would actually make that more per KWH because the fixed charges stay the same.. The last time I looked, the rates around here were 8.15 cents to 9.74 cents, so, you're paying about a third more for electric than we are. Interesting. Must be higher quality electricity.  |
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On 1/20/2014 3:53 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 1/20/14, 3:41 PM, wrote: On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 15:02:11 -0500, Hank wrote: On 1/20/2014 12:43 PM, wrote: On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 11:40:03 -0500, Hank wrote: On 1/20/2014 11:22 AM, wrote: On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 08:25:35 -0500, Hank wrote: I'm saving about $50 a month on my electric bill without changing any thing except light bulbs Saving $50 a month? Bull**** ... unless your house is lit like a used car lot all the time. That is 333 KWH per month (at 15c a KWH) Assuming you turn the lights off when you go to bed that is about 2000 watts of light you save every HOUR (based on 5,5 hours between sundown and bed time) You really had 2500 watts of light on all evening? (your LEDs and CFLs still draw something around 20%) I think you have fallen for the hype. I have 10 lamps that burn dusk to dawn. We use some lighting during the daytime also. I have spreadsheeted my KWH, Cost per KWK, and total cost. I'm comfortable with what I stated 10 lights from dusk to dawn? Let me guess, the Stalag 17 look . If you are burning 11,000 watt hours of light a day we can see your house from space. That is as much as my whole house air handler strip heaters use when I have the heat on for an hour running full blast. You need to reevaluate your lighting plan. Are you using a calculator, or are you counting on your fingers? A calculator. $50 at 0.15 a KWH is 333.33333333 KWH Divided by 30 is 11.111111 KWH a day The only variable is what is your cost for power, more accurately what is the incremental cost, minus the fixed charges that you pay anyway. I bet it is less than 15 cents ... unless you are in California. I pay 13 cents top line to bottom line and using less power would actually make that more per KWH because the fixed charges stay the same.. The last time I looked, the rates around here were 8.15 cents to 9.74 cents, so, you're paying about a third more for electric than we are. Interesting. Must be higher quality electricity. Isn't Gregg in Florida? My experience with electrical power in Florida was that it sucked. Constant brown outs and voltage dips. That's one thing I can say that's good up here in MA. Our electric service is excellent. I monitor the voltage regularly, especially during heavy load periods in the summer. Voltage stays smack on 123 volts regardless of load and we have three large AC units plus a 150,000 BTU pool heater running (when required). |
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On 1/20/14, 6:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/20/2014 3:53 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 1/20/14, 3:41 PM, wrote: On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 15:02:11 -0500, Hank wrote: On 1/20/2014 12:43 PM, wrote: On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 11:40:03 -0500, Hank wrote: On 1/20/2014 11:22 AM, wrote: On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 08:25:35 -0500, Hank wrote: I'm saving about $50 a month on my electric bill without changing any thing except light bulbs Saving $50 a month? Bull**** ... unless your house is lit like a used car lot all the time. That is 333 KWH per month (at 15c a KWH) Assuming you turn the lights off when you go to bed that is about 2000 watts of light you save every HOUR (based on 5,5 hours between sundown and bed time) You really had 2500 watts of light on all evening? (your LEDs and CFLs still draw something around 20%) I think you have fallen for the hype. I have 10 lamps that burn dusk to dawn. We use some lighting during the daytime also. I have spreadsheeted my KWH, Cost per KWK, and total cost. I'm comfortable with what I stated 10 lights from dusk to dawn? Let me guess, the Stalag 17 look . If you are burning 11,000 watt hours of light a day we can see your house from space. That is as much as my whole house air handler strip heaters use when I have the heat on for an hour running full blast. You need to reevaluate your lighting plan. Are you using a calculator, or are you counting on your fingers? A calculator. $50 at 0.15 a KWH is 333.33333333 KWH Divided by 30 is 11.111111 KWH a day The only variable is what is your cost for power, more accurately what is the incremental cost, minus the fixed charges that you pay anyway. I bet it is less than 15 cents ... unless you are in California. I pay 13 cents top line to bottom line and using less power would actually make that more per KWH because the fixed charges stay the same.. The last time I looked, the rates around here were 8.15 cents to 9.74 cents, so, you're paying about a third more for electric than we are. Interesting. Must be higher quality electricity. Isn't Gregg in Florida? My experience with electrical power in Florida was that it sucked. Constant brown outs and voltage dips. That's one thing I can say that's good up here in MA. Our electric service is excellent. I monitor the voltage regularly, especially during heavy load periods in the summer. Voltage stays smack on 123 volts regardless of load and we have three large AC units plus a 150,000 BTU pool heater running (when required). Since we had our genny installed, we haven't had a power outage that lasts more than a couple of minutes. We take credit for that! |
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On 1/20/2014 7:03 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 1/20/14, 6:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/20/2014 3:53 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 1/20/14, 3:41 PM, wrote: On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 15:02:11 -0500, Hank wrote: On 1/20/2014 12:43 PM, wrote: On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 11:40:03 -0500, Hank wrote: On 1/20/2014 11:22 AM, wrote: On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 08:25:35 -0500, Hank wrote: I'm saving about $50 a month on my electric bill without changing any thing except light bulbs Saving $50 a month? Bull**** ... unless your house is lit like a used car lot all the time. That is 333 KWH per month (at 15c a KWH) Assuming you turn the lights off when you go to bed that is about 2000 watts of light you save every HOUR (based on 5,5 hours between sundown and bed time) You really had 2500 watts of light on all evening? (your LEDs and CFLs still draw something around 20%) I think you have fallen for the hype. I have 10 lamps that burn dusk to dawn. We use some lighting during the daytime also. I have spreadsheeted my KWH, Cost per KWK, and total cost. I'm comfortable with what I stated 10 lights from dusk to dawn? Let me guess, the Stalag 17 look . If you are burning 11,000 watt hours of light a day we can see your house from space. That is as much as my whole house air handler strip heaters use when I have the heat on for an hour running full blast. You need to reevaluate your lighting plan. Are you using a calculator, or are you counting on your fingers? A calculator. $50 at 0.15 a KWH is 333.33333333 KWH Divided by 30 is 11.111111 KWH a day The only variable is what is your cost for power, more accurately what is the incremental cost, minus the fixed charges that you pay anyway. I bet it is less than 15 cents ... unless you are in California. I pay 13 cents top line to bottom line and using less power would actually make that more per KWH because the fixed charges stay the same.. The last time I looked, the rates around here were 8.15 cents to 9.74 cents, so, you're paying about a third more for electric than we are. Interesting. Must be higher quality electricity. Isn't Gregg in Florida? My experience with electrical power in Florida was that it sucked. Constant brown outs and voltage dips. That's one thing I can say that's good up here in MA. Our electric service is excellent. I monitor the voltage regularly, especially during heavy load periods in the summer. Voltage stays smack on 123 volts regardless of load and we have three large AC units plus a 150,000 BTU pool heater running (when required). Since we had our genny installed, we haven't had a power outage that lasts more than a couple of minutes. We take credit for that! A complete power outage is one thing. Storms and accidents cause them. Power is off and no damage can occur to expensive appliances or electrical units. I am talking about power that remains on but the voltage droops to levels that cause excessive current to be drawn when something like an air conditioning compressor starts. I saw the normal 120 vac drop to as low as 105 vac in Florida, which means the primary service of 240 volts that the AC units run on was drooping to about 210 volts. That's damn close to the +/- 15 percent most appliances will tolerate. |
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On 1/21/14, 5:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/20/2014 11:16 PM, wrote: On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 19:03:48 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Since we had our genny installed, we haven't had a power outage that lasts more than a couple of minutes. We take credit for that! Me too, since I bought a generator, I have not had anything worth going out and flipping the transfer switch. (not automatic) I am glad I saved that $5000 ;-) The only way I could justify a whole house generator is if there was a permanent and direct fuel supply to it, like natural gas. Otherwise it doesn't make sense to me. A short term (meaning 1 or 2 day) loss of power is manageable using a small generator like the little Honda. The problem I'd have with a large, whole house generator is fuel. We don't have natural gas coming up to the house so the generator would have to be propane, gas or diesel. We have a 100 gal propane tank that feeds a Hot Dawg garage heater but a whole house generator would drain a full tank of propane in a couple of days. Since long term power outages up here are due to winter snowstorms, it's unlikely we could get a propane delivery every other day. Same with diesel. I learned that lesson in Florida following Hurricane Wilma. I had just purchased the little Honda and had also purchased a 12KW gasoline powered generator and wired it into the main panel. It wouldn't power everything, but I could selectively turn on what was needed (well pump, water heater, certain room outlets, refrigerator, microwave, etc.) I thought I was well prepared with about 6, five gallon gasoline containers. Not so. That 12kw generator burned far more gas than I expected and it was clear that my supply would only last two or three days at best. So I used it sparingly and had the little Honda running 24/7 to power a refrigerator, couple of lights, the Direct TV box and a TV. The Honda sips fuel, running almost 24 hours on two gallons or less. We were powerless for just over a week following Wilma and gas, if you could find a station with aux power, was scarce. When we installed our pool eight years ago (up here in MA) the electrical contractor tried to sell me a whole house generator, telling me it could be fueled by the propane tank we use for the garage heater. He specified a 20kw generator for our house. I doubt a full tank of propane would last 2 days. We ran underground conduit and wiring for one, but I held off on the generator. In the eight years since, we've only experienced two longer term power outages, both due to winter storms. Each lasted about 3 days and the little Honda got us through them both. We have a 500 gallon buried tank, so it gets filled to 400 gallons. I think our genny burns about 1.75 gph at half load, so at any time during the month between tank top-offs, we should have at least a week of run time, probably more if it is winter, because the larger of our two heat pumps primarily runs off propane anyway, so if the power goes out, the only additional load for heat from the generator will be to run the compressor and furnace fan. The smaller heat pump is not on generator backup. The longest power outage we have had here to date was five days. It was hot outside and it was miserable. |
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