On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 21:59:40 -0500, KC wrote:

On 1/20/2014 6:23 PM, Hank wrote:
On 1/20/2014 4:47 PM, amdx wrote:
On 1/20/2014 3:24 PM, Hank wrote:
On 1/20/2014 4:15 PM, KC wrote:
Sure, but I don't want my lamps to look like SteamPunk... Just want
to put lamps up, that lamp....


What is steampunk

picture of steampunk type items.

http://tinyurl.com/ksqncbk

http://tinyurl.com/n2lqr9x

http://tinyurl.com/ktxb6vb

Mikek






Oh, an early guzzy. Got it.

lol

Don't laugh at his cheap shots. He's just jealous.

BTW, I found my plug wires, off a wrecked Honda Civic at the junk yard for $1 apiece. I tried to
talk the guy down, but he wouldn't budge a millimeter.

On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 18:29:00 -0500, Hank wrote:

On 1/20/2014 6:02 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 16:24:55 -0500, Hank wrote:

On 1/20/2014 4:15 PM, KC wrote:
Sure, but I don't want my lamps to look like SteamPunk... Just want
to put lamps up, that lamp....
What is steampunk

I had to look it up too, a couple months back. Google Images has some cute pics:

http://tinyurl.com/kgtlp7m

I don't get it.

Never mind. You're too old.

On 1/21/2014 7:51 AM, Hank wrote:
On 1/20/2014 10:47 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 16:22:07 -0500, Hank wrote:


Heres my avg monthly kwh for the past 5 years 2078 2301 2326 2089 1784.
Have fun with those numbers.
snip
Did you notice my 2013 monthly average was over $300 less than 2012.
Did you notice that 2013 was the lowest average in the last 5 years.
Prior to 2013 I was using incand., CFL, and fluorescent tubes.
I still have 8 4 ft tubes and 2 2 footers. The rest is LED.
I saved exactly $468 last year. Enough to buy 46 more LEDs @10 per.

Garbage in garbage out.
To many variables.
Heat and air conditioning used, hot water heater use.
More or less overnight company, Etc.
No saying you didn't use less for lighting, I just don't think you can
quantify it using overall electric usage.

On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 05:09:00 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/20/2014 10:28 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 14:50:35 -0600, amdx wrote:

On 1/20/2014 2:32 PM, wrote:


the EPA calc is $7.23 a year to run it.
That is less than 60 cents a month.

Do you know what the EPA uses as the cost for aKwh?
How many hours per day do they use?
Mikek

I don't know and I didn't have much luck looking. I see a lot of
calculators but nothing about how they get the number they print on
the box.

Obviously if you are getting that cut rate power Harry gets the number
will be different than you get with the gold plated 45 cent California
power.



Cree claims an annual operating cost of $1.14 for their least efficient
LED bulb, based on running 3 hours a day. They don't say what the cost
of electricity is.

Assuming they are using a realistic rate that means it would cost under
$10 a year to leave it on 24/7.

Here's an impressive and recent article. Outdoor high pressure sodium
lighting at Munich Airport in Germany is being replaced with Cree LED
lighting.

"The airport expects the new flood lights featuring Cree LEDs to consume
at least 50 percent less energy than the previously-installed
high-pressure sodium lamps, which would result in yearly electricity
savings of 122,000 kilowatt-hours and approximately 70 tons of CO2 on
completion of phase one of the lighting overhaul."

There's a picture of the new lighting shown. They used the brilliant
white color temperature and the result is much better and more natural
lighting than the high pressure sodium lights they are replacing.

http://optics.org/news/5/1/21

Their carbon footprint will be so small that Al Gore will be sending *them* a check every month.

On 1/21/2014 9:20 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 18:29:00 -0500, Hank wrote:

On 1/20/2014 6:02 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 16:24:55 -0500, Hank wrote:

On 1/20/2014 4:15 PM, KC wrote:
Sure, but I don't want my lamps to look like SteamPunk... Just want
to put lamps up, that lamp....
What is steampunk

I had to look it up too, a couple months back. Google Images has some cute pics:

http://tinyurl.com/kgtlp7m

I don't get it.

Never mind. You're too old.

I guess.

On 1/21/2014 9:25 AM, amdx wrote:
On 1/21/2014 7:51 AM, Hank wrote:
On 1/20/2014 10:47 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 16:22:07 -0500, Hank wrote:


Heres my avg monthly kwh for the past 5 years 2078 2301 2326 2089 1784.
Have fun with those numbers.
snip
Did you notice my 2013 monthly average was over $300 less than 2012.
Did you notice that 2013 was the lowest average in the last 5 years.
Prior to 2013 I was using incand., CFL, and fluorescent tubes.
I still have 8 4 ft tubes and 2 2 footers. The rest is LED.
I saved exactly $468 last year. Enough to buy 46 more LEDs @10 per.

Garbage in garbage out.
To many variables.
Heat and air conditioning used, hot water heater use.
More or less overnight company, Etc.
No saying you didn't use less for lighting, I just don't think you can
quantify it using overall electric usage.




How else would you do it?

On 1/21/2014 10:11 AM, Hank wrote:
On 1/21/2014 9:25 AM, amdx wrote:
On 1/21/2014 7:51 AM, Hank wrote:
On 1/20/2014 10:47 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 16:22:07 -0500, Hank wrote:


Heres my avg monthly kwh for the past 5 years 2078 2301 2326 2089
1784.
Have fun with those numbers.
snip
Did you notice my 2013 monthly average was over $300 less than 2012.
Did you notice that 2013 was the lowest average in the last 5 years.
Prior to 2013 I was using incand., CFL, and fluorescent tubes.
I still have 8 4 ft tubes and 2 2 footers. The rest is LED.
I saved exactly $468 last year. Enough to buy 46 more LEDs @10 per.

Garbage in garbage out.
To many variables.
Heat and air conditioning used, hot water heater use.
More or less overnight company, Etc.
No saying you didn't use less for lighting, I just don't think you can
quantify it using overall electric usage.




How else would you do it?


According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, 13 percent of
residential electrical energy use is for lighting.

The same agency states that the US average monthly bill for residential
electricity for June, July and August of 2013 was $395. Seems a
little high to me, but again, it's the average for the whole nation.

So, assuming those numbers are close, 13 percent of $395 is $51.25.

Switching to LED lighting that consumes a fraction of the power would
have a serious impact on that cost. So, Hank's numbers don't sound
totally out of the ballpark.

On 1/21/14, 11:34 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 06:43:56 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


We have a 500 gallon buried tank, so it gets filled to 400 gallons. I
think our genny burns about 1.75 gph at half load, so at any time during
the month between tank top-offs, we should have at least a week of run
time, probably more if it is winter, because the larger of our two heat
pumps primarily runs off propane anyway, so if the power goes out, the
only additional load for heat from the generator will be to run the
compressor and furnace fan. The smaller heat pump is not on generator
backup.

... but your gas assisted heat pump is sucking propane out of your
generator fuel tank.
I agree with Dick, "feeding the monster" can be an issue in a long
outage. That term came from our Punta Gorda friends who were living on
a generator for over a month after Charlie.

My wife was prairie building when she brought her community out of the
ground and they ran the construction trailer off of a 36KVA diesel
genset. They got fuel delivered a couple times a week.



The gas assisted heat pump, the water heater, the fireplace and the
stovetop were why we installed the propane tank. I'm not concerned about
running dry because the supplier is on top of things.

On 1/21/14, 11:43 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 03:51:13 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

You can't make electricity cheaper than you can buy it.

By a factor of at least 5x. It can be way more for an old technology
generator.

A 5kw generator you might find at the home store with a Briggs engine
and a regular alternator will burn at least a gallon and a half an
hour. That ends up being about a buck a KWH.


Rather pay to run the genny than sit in a too cold or too hot house.

On 1/21/14, 11:27 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 06:38:11 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 1/20/14, 10:24 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 15:53:34 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 1/20/14, 3:41 PM, wrote:


A calculator.
$50 at 0.15 a KWH is 333.33333333 KWH
Divided by 30 is 11.111111 KWH a day

The only variable is what is your cost for power, more accurately what
is the incremental cost, minus the fixed charges that you pay anyway.
I bet it is less than 15 cents ... unless you are in California.
I pay 13 cents top line to bottom line and using less power would
actually make that more per KWH because the fixed charges stay the
same..



The last time I looked, the rates around here were 8.15 cents to 9.74
cents, so, you're paying about a third more for electric than we are.
Interesting. Must be higher quality electricity.


How are you looking at that?
Is that total bill divided by KWH?



I don't really know how the bill is determined. The rates for
residential electricity from the various power companies in Maryland are
posted on-line per state regulation.

It is easy to figure out. What did you pay? How many KWH did you use?

I posted my last 12 months straight from the FPL web site. I can also
get that broken down by the hour since they put in the smart meter.



I'm not that anal. I know or can find out what the current rate per kwh
is. It varies seasonally between 8 and 10.75 cents. If I want a lower
bill, we can cut usage.