On 1/22/2014 7:00 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 1/21/14, 11:24 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:27:20 -0500, Hank wrote:

On 1/21/2014 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/21/2014 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 21:45:51 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:


Nationally I'm sure there are many in the same situation. I don't
pump my own water and I heat with
natural gas. But so do millions of other who figure into the 'US
average'.

Those must be the ones who "use 30% of their electricity on lights"
(or whatever number you want to use.

I would also believe it is city thinking that most people have nat gas
coming to their house. When I was in Maryland, the gas line stopped
about 10 miles outside the beltway going South.
They may have expanded that by now.



I think you've missed something Gregg. Where did natural gas come into
the discussion?

Also, nobody said anybody uses 30% of their electricity on lights.
I offered a stat that said *13%* of residential electricity is used for
lighting.


He doesn't need lighting. He has good night vision. I guess he doesn't
get the point that some of us need light to see at night and welcome the
savings LED lighting affords us.

I don't need light when I am not there.
I guess you missed that part.

If you insist on lighting up empty rooms and the perimeter of your
house when nothing is there. I guess you are pitching in to use a more
efficient light source but you are still polluting the sky with
unwanted light.

http://pollutionfacts.org/content/light-pollution-facts


We don't have street lights in our little subdivision. In fact, most of
the residential neighborhoods in our county are sans street lights. So
many people keep a couple of lights burning outside at night. Maybe it
is a holdover from the days when mankind kept a fire burning at night
for warmth, a little light and to ward off those dinosaurs that roamed
the earth back then.

I am going to keep an eye out for some LED bulbs with small bases that
look decent and will fit in our outdoor lighting fixtures. I haven't
seen any at Home Despot or Lowes yet, but they are available via mail
order.

Oh, we have a couple of LED nightlights in the house. Keeps me,
especially, from tripping over the cats.

The US hasn't really embraced LED lighting in all formats yet.
Yet there is good reason to. Check out the harm hazardous conditions CFL
causes. My next project is to get rid of my flurescent tubes.

I ordered some specialty 12V LEDs and 12V motion switches last night
from Amazon. Cheap prices and free shipping direct from China. I got
shipping confirmation from one supplier within two hours. The other was
in my in box this morning. Small world, eh. I tell ya, the US needs to
rethink and remake it's position in the world marketplace. We need to
convert some of those liberal arts diploma mills to science and
engineering schools. If we can't make things we could , at least, design
them.

On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:09:11 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 21:45:51 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:


Nationally I'm sure there are many in the same situation. I don't pump my own water and I heat with
natural gas. But so do millions of other who figure into the 'US average'.

Those must be the ones who "use 30% of their electricity on lights"
(or whatever number you want to use.

I would also believe it is city thinking that most people have nat gas
coming to their house. When I was in Maryland, the gas line stopped
about 10 miles outside the beltway going South.
They may have expanded that by now.

This house had gas when we moved in '95. It was the only one of the 'new' houses in this circle with
gas. Now the one next to me has gas also. But, gas has not worked its way around the circle. My gas
is recalculated every year and we pay a constant $36/month - this year. It doesn't vary much from
year to year. Adding that to my electric would get me up to $150/mo, which is still way less than
half the US national average.

I feel so good now I may buy my model airplane for my birthday!

On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:15:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/21/2014 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 21:45:51 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:


Nationally I'm sure there are many in the same situation. I don't pump my own water and I heat with
natural gas. But so do millions of other who figure into the 'US average'.

Those must be the ones who "use 30% of their electricity on lights"
(or whatever number you want to use.

I would also believe it is city thinking that most people have nat gas
coming to their house. When I was in Maryland, the gas line stopped
about 10 miles outside the beltway going South.
They may have expanded that by now.



I think you've missed something Gregg. Where did natural gas come into
the discussion?

Also, nobody said anybody uses 30% of their electricity on lights.
I offered a stat that said *13%* of residential electricity is used for
lighting.


I think he's thinking that I should add my natural gas cost to my electric bill to fairly compare to
the US average electricity cost. That's OK, because I do use the gas for water heating and furnace
heating.

On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:27:20 -0500, Hank wrote:

On 1/21/2014 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/21/2014 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 21:45:51 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:


Nationally I'm sure there are many in the same situation. I don't
pump my own water and I heat with
natural gas. But so do millions of other who figure into the 'US
average'.

Those must be the ones who "use 30% of their electricity on lights"
(or whatever number you want to use.

I would also believe it is city thinking that most people have nat gas
coming to their house. When I was in Maryland, the gas line stopped
about 10 miles outside the beltway going South.
They may have expanded that by now.



I think you've missed something Gregg. Where did natural gas come into
the discussion?

Also, nobody said anybody uses 30% of their electricity on lights.
I offered a stat that said *13%* of residential electricity is used for
lighting.


He doesn't need lighting. He has good night vision. I guess he doesn't
get the point that some of us need light to see at night and welcome the
savings LED lighting affords us.

With SIGLITE Night Sights, who needs light?

On 1/22/2014 9:05 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:09:11 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 21:45:51 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:


Nationally I'm sure there are many in the same situation. I don't pump my own water and I heat with
natural gas. But so do millions of other who figure into the 'US average'.

Those must be the ones who "use 30% of their electricity on lights"
(or whatever number you want to use.

I would also believe it is city thinking that most people have nat gas
coming to their house. When I was in Maryland, the gas line stopped
about 10 miles outside the beltway going South.
They may have expanded that by now.

This house had gas when we moved in '95. It was the only one of the 'new' houses in this circle with
gas. Now the one next to me has gas also. But, gas has not worked its way around the circle. My gas
is recalculated every year and we pay a constant $36/month - this year. It doesn't vary much from
year to year. Adding that to my electric would get me up to $150/mo, which is still way less than
half the US national average.

I feel so good now I may buy my model airplane for my birthday!


$36 a month to heat your house. That's a bargain. Go buy that plane
right away.

On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 23:24:23 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:27:20 -0500, Hank wrote:

On 1/21/2014 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/21/2014 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 21:45:51 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:


Nationally I'm sure there are many in the same situation. I don't
pump my own water and I heat with
natural gas. But so do millions of other who figure into the 'US
average'.

Those must be the ones who "use 30% of their electricity on lights"
(or whatever number you want to use.

I would also believe it is city thinking that most people have nat gas
coming to their house. When I was in Maryland, the gas line stopped
about 10 miles outside the beltway going South.
They may have expanded that by now.



I think you've missed something Gregg. Where did natural gas come into
the discussion?

Also, nobody said anybody uses 30% of their electricity on lights.
I offered a stat that said *13%* of residential electricity is used for
lighting.


He doesn't need lighting. He has good night vision. I guess he doesn't
get the point that some of us need light to see at night and welcome the
savings LED lighting affords us.

I don't need light when I am not there.
I guess you missed that part.

If you insist on lighting up empty rooms and the perimeter of your
house when nothing is there. I guess you are pitching in to use a more
efficient light source but you are still polluting the sky with
unwanted light.

http://pollutionfacts.org/content/light-pollution-facts

When we were at Bryce Canyon, the park rangers put on a presentation of star gazing at night in the
park. Leading up to the telescope viewing was an indoor slide show. They had several slides to show
how the light pollution has been working its way across the western US from California. I'd never
thought of it, but that show made a big impression.

On 1/22/2014 9:08 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:27:20 -0500, Hank wrote:

On 1/21/2014 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/21/2014 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 21:45:51 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:


Nationally I'm sure there are many in the same situation. I don't
pump my own water and I heat with
natural gas. But so do millions of other who figure into the 'US
average'.

Those must be the ones who "use 30% of their electricity on lights"
(or whatever number you want to use.

I would also believe it is city thinking that most people have nat gas
coming to their house. When I was in Maryland, the gas line stopped
about 10 miles outside the beltway going South.
They may have expanded that by now.



I think you've missed something Gregg. Where did natural gas come into
the discussion?

Also, nobody said anybody uses 30% of their electricity on lights.
I offered a stat that said *13%* of residential electricity is used for
lighting.


He doesn't need lighting. He has good night vision. I guess he doesn't
get the point that some of us need light to see at night and welcome the
savings LED lighting affords us.

With SIGLITE Night Sights, who needs light?

Get a good lawyer before you say something like that under oath.

On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 07:00:20 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 1/21/14, 11:24 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:27:20 -0500, Hank wrote:

On 1/21/2014 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/21/2014 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 21:45:51 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:


Nationally I'm sure there are many in the same situation. I don't
pump my own water and I heat with
natural gas. But so do millions of other who figure into the 'US
average'.

Those must be the ones who "use 30% of their electricity on lights"
(or whatever number you want to use.

I would also believe it is city thinking that most people have nat gas
coming to their house. When I was in Maryland, the gas line stopped
about 10 miles outside the beltway going South.
They may have expanded that by now.



I think you've missed something Gregg. Where did natural gas come into
the discussion?

Also, nobody said anybody uses 30% of their electricity on lights.
I offered a stat that said *13%* of residential electricity is used for
lighting.


He doesn't need lighting. He has good night vision. I guess he doesn't
get the point that some of us need light to see at night and welcome the
savings LED lighting affords us.

I don't need light when I am not there.
I guess you missed that part.

If you insist on lighting up empty rooms and the perimeter of your
house when nothing is there. I guess you are pitching in to use a more
efficient light source but you are still polluting the sky with
unwanted light.

http://pollutionfacts.org/content/light-pollution-facts


We don't have street lights in our little subdivision. In fact, most of
the residential neighborhoods in our county are sans street lights. So
many people keep a couple of lights burning outside at night. Maybe it
is a holdover from the days when mankind kept a fire burning at night
for warmth, a little light and to ward off those dinosaurs that roamed
the earth back then.

I am going to keep an eye out for some LED bulbs with small bases that
look decent and will fit in our outdoor lighting fixtures. I haven't
seen any at Home Despot or Lowes yet, but they are available via mail order.

Oh, we have a couple of LED nightlights in the house. Keeps me,
especially, from tripping over the cats.

Which base are you looking for? HD has a potfull of different base LEDs.

Bi-Pin (31)
Candelabra (30)
Double-Ended (1)
E26 (3)
GU10 (9)
GU24 (4)
Medium (278)
Other (35)
Twist Lock (4

I was there yesterday and couldn't believe the different styles of LED bulbs available.

If you need some really small based LEDs you might check Camping World also. I bought a couple for
the trailer with a base that looks like an auto taillight bulb.

On 1/22/14, 9:21 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 07:00:20 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 1/21/14, 11:24 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:27:20 -0500, Hank wrote:

On 1/21/2014 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/21/2014 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 21:45:51 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:


Nationally I'm sure there are many in the same situation. I don't
pump my own water and I heat with
natural gas. But so do millions of other who figure into the 'US
average'.

Those must be the ones who "use 30% of their electricity on lights"
(or whatever number you want to use.

I would also believe it is city thinking that most people have nat gas
coming to their house. When I was in Maryland, the gas line stopped
about 10 miles outside the beltway going South.
They may have expanded that by now.



I think you've missed something Gregg. Where did natural gas come into
the discussion?

Also, nobody said anybody uses 30% of their electricity on lights.
I offered a stat that said *13%* of residential electricity is used for
lighting.


He doesn't need lighting. He has good night vision. I guess he doesn't
get the point that some of us need light to see at night and welcome the
savings LED lighting affords us.

I don't need light when I am not there.
I guess you missed that part.

If you insist on lighting up empty rooms and the perimeter of your
house when nothing is there. I guess you are pitching in to use a more
efficient light source but you are still polluting the sky with
unwanted light.

http://pollutionfacts.org/content/light-pollution-facts


We don't have street lights in our little subdivision. In fact, most of
the residential neighborhoods in our county are sans street lights. So
many people keep a couple of lights burning outside at night. Maybe it
is a holdover from the days when mankind kept a fire burning at night
for warmth, a little light and to ward off those dinosaurs that roamed
the earth back then.

I am going to keep an eye out for some LED bulbs with small bases that
look decent and will fit in our outdoor lighting fixtures. I haven't
seen any at Home Despot or Lowes yet, but they are available via mail order.

Oh, we have a couple of LED nightlights in the house. Keeps me,
especially, from tripping over the cats.

Which base are you looking for? HD has a potfull of different base LEDs.

Bi-Pin (31)
Candelabra (30)
Double-Ended (1)
E26 (3)
GU10 (9)
GU24 (4)
Medium (278)
Other (35)
Twist Lock (4

I was there yesterday and couldn't believe the different styles of LED bulbs available.

If you need some really small based LEDs you might check Camping World also. I bought a couple for
the trailer with a base that looks like an auto taillight bulb.


You must live near an upscale Home Despot!

I'll have to look again; haven't been in the bulb section of HD for a while.

On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 07:23:29 -0500, Hank wrote:


The US hasn't really embraced LED lighting in all formats yet.
Yet there is good reason to. Check out the harm hazardous conditions CFL
causes. My next project is to get rid of my flurescent tubes.

I ordered some specialty 12V LEDs and 12V motion switches last night
from Amazon. Cheap prices and free shipping direct from China. I got
shipping confirmation from one supplier within two hours. The other was
in my in box this morning. Small world, eh. I tell ya, the US needs to
rethink and remake it's position in the world marketplace. We need to
convert some of those liberal arts diploma mills to science and
engineering schools. If we can't make things we could , at least, design
them.

Ditto on the CFLs. I wish mine would hurry up and burn out. I'm even using them for outdoor lighting
in the hopes the cold weather will kill 'em. Hasn't worked.