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"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/16/2013 5:19 PM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 16:52:07 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/16/2013 12:16 PM, Hank© wrote:

On 11/16/2013 12:03 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

I was just reading that a selectman in a town here in MA (Shrewsbury)
has raised an issue regarding gun ownership. He feels that local police
departments should have the authority to visit registered gun owners'
homes and inspect for required safe storage of the guns. His point is
that laws exist that require locks and/or safes for guns but there are
no means of enforcing these laws.

Hmmmmm....

I pondered that one for a little bit then, because of the discussions
here about horses, I realized something.

A permit is required to have horses permanently on your property ... at
least in our town and many others.

The permit is issued yearly based on an inspection of the stables, barn,
and grounds by the animal control inspector. She checks to ensure
sanitary and safe conditions for both the horse(s) and that may visit in
the barn area.

Is that any different than home inspections for the safe storage of
firearms?

I don't know.

What are you going to do when they want to inspect your toilets to
ensure that you are using
low flow models. What are you going to do when you they want to
inspect your light fixtures
to ensure that you are using the light bulb they demand that you use.

The issues is when do you stand up for your rights?

There are so many deadbeats voting now that the vision of states and
individual rights is only a fading memory.



The people I get a kick out of are the ones demanding their "rights"
yet have never contributed or done anything to protect or defend those
rights. They just want them.

Here's an example:

We have a person here who *demands* his right to bear arms who:

a. Never served in the military or other public service organization
like the Peace Corps, etc., to support that right (other than be
hatched here.)

b. Doesn't own a firearm.

c. Doesn't even have a permit to own a firearm.

Yet, the same person complained that I was jeopardizing his "rights"
because I indicated I'd have no problem with a cop inspecting how I
stored my firearms to ensure compliance with state and local laws.

That cracked me up. I have no problem with those who never served in
the military or other national service of some kind. That's up to them
and there's nothing wrong with it. But don't tell me I am putting their
"rights" in jeopardy simply because I choose to accept reasonable gun
laws intended to promote public safety. I earned my right to decide that.

I'm not sure to whom you're referring, 'cause I don't know who
does/doesn't own a firearm. Maybe
I've not been paying close enough attention.

But, one's 'rights' under the Constitution should have no bearing
whatsoever on the service they
have or haven't rendered to this country. I have no problem with you
letting whomever you want into
your house for whatever reason. I *would* have a problem with an
uninvited, warrantless search of my
house by the cops or anyone else. And I would have a big problem with
some city council passing a
law which made warrantless searches without cause possible.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



First of all, it wasn't you complaining that my acceptance of a safety
inspection put *your* rights at risk. It was Scott.

Second, the guy who is promoting the concept of home inspections isn't
advocating a restriction on the right to bear arms protected by the
Second Amendment. He's basically saying that in order to get a permit
to own and store a firearm, you agree to allow an inspection of how you
store them. If you don't agree ... no permit.

That's why I don't have a problem with it, even if it eventually gets
enacted into law. To get a permit as it is in this state, we already
must submit to a background check, be fingerprinted and every purchase or
sale of a gun by us is kept ... ergo "Registry". I have no problem
with any of that either. Maybe if I were of a criminal mind I would.

I have a large problem with the requirement that you have to have a permit
to own a firearm! As long as you can pass a background check, to make sure
you are not psycho or a felon, that should be it. Including buying out of
state. It is a computerized check now, so across state lines should not be
a problem. Same problem with the so called Assault Weapon Bans. They ban
rifles because they look nasty. Are not military grade, nor full
automatic, nor 3 round burst. They are Semi autos, same as have been
produced for over a hundred years.

Do you feel the same about the requirement to have a license to drive?
Should anyone be able to keep dangerous chemicals such as Ricin?

Is it illegal to possess Ricin?
Or just to use it? And where is driving
licenses a protected in the Constitution right? And Driver licenses and
associated are a source of revenue for the states. Plus you need an ID.
DMV for a license, or state issued ID.

All of that above has NOTHING to do with this thread. You and Scotty
just change with the wind! Ricin and many, many other chemicals are
illegal to possess without the proper permits, like gun ownership. There
are lots of things not covered in the Constitution, dumbass. As a matter
of fact, your right to vote for president isn't covered in the
Constitution.

The president was not for the populace to elect, Dumbass. Was up to the
states to appoint the electors. Was and still is up to the state on how
they get their members to the Electoral College. You realize that the
states elector does not have to actually vote for the one he is appointed
to vote for. California, the elector is only required to vote for their
person for the first two votes. Congress was for the people to choose.

After all of your bull**** that has nothing to do with my statement, my
statement stands.

What the hell, you dumbass. My explanation of Executive Branch leadership
voting, had everything to do with your statement.

wrote:
On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 15:55:54 -0500, John H
wrote:

I grew up with a single shot .22 I got when I was in 6th grade. Shot a
lot of squirrels and rabbits
with that little bugger.

My first gun was a model 69 Winchester (22rf) and I still have it.
It has a box magazine either 7, 10 or 15 rounds.

My dad had lots of guns. So I did not buy my first firearm until after I
was married. Just used dads. First I bought was an Ithaca 20 Featherlite.
Liked dads so much, and he moved away, so had to have one.

wrote:
On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 11:13:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

What are tags for if it isn't just the tax stamp? If it was really
about identifying the cars there would not be thousands of designs,
making the state of origin virtually impossible to determine.

It's not the plates that make the state hard to determine, it's the
plate holders.


That is not true at all in a state like Florida with about 100
different plate designs.


If the license itself was any kind of actual qualification document
the test would not be as superficial as it is and there would be
ongoing re certification. My mother received a new license after she
was dead, simply because she mailed in the check on her way to the
hospital. The last time anyone actually evaluated her driving ability
was that quick trip around the block and parking the car that passes
for a test.
My grandfather died in 1998 with a valid driver's license in his
wallet and he took the only test he ever had to take in a brand new
1919 Chandler. He had been driving for years but the company made all
of their drivers get licensed.


Yada yada yada. I had to renew this year and was required to either have
the results of an eye exam written on the application by my eye doctor
or show up at DMV for an eye exam.


So you had an eye doctor write a note. Does that say anything about
your ability to drive? The damned driver's test doesn't really
demonstrate that and you did it when you were in your teens.
Of course the basic driving lessons and the test teach nothing about
spin recovery, high speed braking, evasive maneuvers and the things
that help people avoid accidents in the first place.

People get old and reaction times slow, Ability to actually turn
around and look degrades (even if you have 20/20 vision) and that does
not address attention span, information overload and in some cases
dementia.
I see old farts around here who shouldn't even be driving a golf cart
and they have 300+ HP Cadillacs. It is one of the main reasons I got
rid of that Harley. I almost got hit a couple times just getting up to
DMV to get my motorcycle endorsement.
People can't see a motorcycle, even a full dress hog (3 headlights and
all) and they just pull out.

My mother had to get a new license when she was turning 90. Went with my
brother, who is on the same license cycle. Could have kicked my brothers
ass, for not asking the Dmv to driving test mom. Missed 2 on the written
and they gave her a 5 year license. No behind the wheel test. And she
drove bad at the last 2 years.

On Saturday, November 16, 2013 12:11:48 PM UTC-5, BAR wrote:

Harry will have to call 911 before he uses Mr. 12 Gague.

Krause has no 12 gauge anything. His sweaty smell would drive away a Skunk.

On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 00:33:58 -0600, Califbill wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 15:55:54 -0500, John H
wrote:

I grew up with a single shot .22 I got when I was in 6th grade. Shot a
lot of squirrels and rabbits
with that little bugger.

My first gun was a model 69 Winchester (22rf) and I still have it.
It has a box magazine either 7, 10 or 15 rounds.

My dad had lots of guns. So I did not buy my first firearm until after I
was married. Just used dads. First I bought was an Ithaca 20 Featherlite.
Liked dads so much, and he moved away, so had to have one.

That little .22 I had was my grandfathers. Don't know what happened to it. After my dad died, my mom
auctioned off everything in the house and moved to Seattle with the other brothers. I was in the
Army then. I think that rifle must've been sold in the auction - along with all my Lionel train
stuff that would probably be worth a small fortune today!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On 11/18/13, 12:50 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 15:55:54 -0500, John H
wrote:

I grew up with a single shot .22 I got when I was in 6th grade. Shot a lot of squirrels and rabbits
with that little bugger.

My first gun was a model 69 Winchester (22rf) and I still have it.
It has a box magazine either 7, 10 or 15 rounds.


It takes a brave, brave man to hunt and shoot squirrels and rabbits.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On 11/18/13, 12:32 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 11:13:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

What are tags for if it isn't just the tax stamp? If it was really
about identifying the cars there would not be thousands of designs,
making the state of origin virtually impossible to determine.

It's not the plates that make the state hard to determine, it's the
plate holders.


That is not true at all in a state like Florida with about 100
different plate designs.


Actually, I am always surprised when I see a rear Florida plate on a
car. When we lived there, there were lots of cars with no plates or a
cardboard makeshift plate in the back window, or, funnier, a cardboard
sign in the back window announcing the plate had been stolen. If you saw
those same cars weeks later, the plates were still missing and the same
signs were in the back window.

It was a running joke...how do you tell if a driver is from Florida? No
license plates.


--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 08:56:37 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 11/18/13, 12:50 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 15:55:54 -0500, John H
wrote:

I grew up with a single shot .22 I got when I was in 6th grade. Shot a lot of squirrels and rabbits
with that little bugger.

My first gun was a model 69 Winchester (22rf) and I still have it.
It has a box magazine either 7, 10 or 15 rounds.


It takes a brave, brave man to hunt and shoot squirrels and rabbits.

Sounds like something Don would say.

What the hell does 'bravery' have to do with hunting squirrels and rabbits? When you've not a lot of
money, squirrels and rabbits are a way to save on the food bill.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 11:54:59 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 08:56:37 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


It takes a brave, brave man to hunt and shoot squirrels and rabbits.

Certainly as brave as simply paying someone else to kill the animals
for you, butchering them, putting the meat on a foam tray, wrapping it
in plastic and putting it in the case at the store.

LOL!

Made me think of those poor little baby lamb legs from Australia.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:00:34 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

That is not true at all in a state like Florida with about 100
different plate designs.


Actually, I am always surprised when I see a rear Florida plate on a
car. When we lived there, there were lots of cars with no plates or a
cardboard makeshift plate in the back window, or, funnier, a cardboard
sign in the back window announcing the plate had been stolen. If you saw
those same cars weeks later, the plates were still missing and the same
signs were in the back window.

It was a running joke...how do you tell if a driver is from Florida? No
license plates.


I agree. I call Florida "tags optional"
There is a trailer I see all the time around here with "lost tag"
pained on the back (no numbers) and when they repainted the
trailer.they just pained around the sign.

I believe it is because the tags are so cheap, it is not worth
pursuing people without them. Again pointing to the revenue aspect. If
you are in one of those northern states where tags are priced as a
percentage of the value of your car, they are very aggressive in
enforcement.

But LEO use the tags. They know all about you before they pull you over
because they've run your tag. As a matter of fact, I got pulled over one
time because the cop was one number or letter off. I knew I didn't do
anything wrong, and when the cop came up to the car, said, "stand up", I
did so, and he handcuffed me!!! Seems as though the tag similar to mine
was a wanted felon, so it was a felony stop for him. He ran the tag
number again because I didn't fit the description, plus me telling him
I'm not a criminal, and let me go, of course.