Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:54:02 -0500, John H
wrote:

You surely won't get any argument out of Loogy with that statement.

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You've got to be kidding. :-)

Good thing the iPad screen is semi water proof.

John H wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 16:15:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/14/2013 1:02 PM, John H wrote:


Damn! Honestly, they don't pour out whatever knowledge you've gained as
an enlisted when you go to
OCS. ****, I was an SP5. I knew my artillery stuff pretty good!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




What were people like yourself who were enlisted and then earned a
commission called in the Army?

In the Navy it was "Mustanger"

We had no special name that I know of. I guess about the closest would be
'passed over' when it came
time for promotion to O-6!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

I always heard of a Mustang Officer referring to the army.

iBoaterer wrote:
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says...

On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:48:41 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:48:58 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

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says...

On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:41:22 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

The Pilgrims weren't the "Founding Fathers".

They were "Flounder Fathers".

Sure they were founding fathers. What would make you think they weren't?
Is there some written classification regarding what is considered
founding fathers, or who gets to make that judgment?

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The pilgrims were here almost 150 years before the declaration of
independence, revolutionary war and the writing/ratification of the
constitution. The people behind those actions are without doubt the
founding fathers.

Where is this definition of "founding fathers"?

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I just gave it to you. Try to pay attention in class.

Oh, so YOU get to define the phrase, eh? The pilgrims definitely had an
impact on the founding of our county. They settled the area first and
established it as viable for western civilization. They created
covenants and laws and developed the area, and usually made inroads with
the local native population.

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I would argue that although the pilgrims were among the first settlers
they had only a small impact on the country as we know it. There were
other groups right behind the pilgrims who were not religious zealots
and had much more pragmatic reasons for settling the country. Virginia
with its House of Burgesses certainly had much more influence on our
modern governmental institutions.

But that doesn't mean that no one except the forgers of the Constitution
were "founding fathers".... The pilgrims had a big influence on the
framers, they were the first ones to draft covenants and laws! The
decisions of the pilgrims was true democracy in action. They wanted to
create a society in which their freedoms would survive without
persecution. The Mayflower Compact created the very government that
allowed the people to have a voice in state affairs! I'd say that is
quite an impact on "founding" our country and our values.

Under your supposition the writers of the Magna Carta are Founding Fathers.

In article 560080384406176244.219603bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:48:41 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:48:58 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:41:22 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

The Pilgrims weren't the "Founding Fathers".

They were "Flounder Fathers".

Sure they were founding fathers. What would make you think they weren't?
Is there some written classification regarding what is considered
founding fathers, or who gets to make that judgment?

===

The pilgrims were here almost 150 years before the declaration of
independence, revolutionary war and the writing/ratification of the
constitution. The people behind those actions are without doubt the
founding fathers.

Where is this definition of "founding fathers"?

===

I just gave it to you. Try to pay attention in class.

Oh, so YOU get to define the phrase, eh? The pilgrims definitely had an
impact on the founding of our county. They settled the area first and
established it as viable for western civilization. They created
covenants and laws and developed the area, and usually made inroads with
the local native population.

===

I would argue that although the pilgrims were among the first settlers
they had only a small impact on the country as we know it. There were
other groups right behind the pilgrims who were not religious zealots
and had much more pragmatic reasons for settling the country. Virginia
with its House of Burgesses certainly had much more influence on our
modern governmental institutions.

But that doesn't mean that no one except the forgers of the Constitution
were "founding fathers".... The pilgrims had a big influence on the
framers, they were the first ones to draft covenants and laws! The
decisions of the pilgrims was true democracy in action. They wanted to
create a society in which their freedoms would survive without
persecution. The Mayflower Compact created the very government that
allowed the people to have a voice in state affairs! I'd say that is
quite an impact on "founding" our country and our values.

Under your supposition the writers of the Magna Carta are Founding Fathers.

Well, no, but I really should have expected some far-flung bull**** from
you!

On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:52:56 -0600, Califbill wrote:

John H wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 16:15:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/14/2013 1:02 PM, John H wrote:


Damn! Honestly, they don't pour out whatever knowledge you've gained as
an enlisted when you go to
OCS. ****, I was an SP5. I knew my artillery stuff pretty good!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




What were people like yourself who were enlisted and then earned a
commission called in the Army?

In the Navy it was "Mustanger"

We had no special name that I know of. I guess about the closest would be
'passed over' when it came
time for promotion to O-6!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

I always heard of a Mustang Officer referring to the army.

I've heard the term from Marines and Navy, but never the Army.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On 11/14/13, 4:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/14/2013 1:02 PM, John H wrote:


Damn! Honestly, they don't pour out whatever knowledge you've gained
as an enlisted when you go to
OCS. ****, I was an SP5. I knew my artillery stuff pretty good!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




What were people like yourself who were enlisted and then earned a
commission called in the Army?

In the Navy it was "Mustanger"


One of my uncles was an army mustang. He enlisted in the army right
after Pearl Harbor, was regularly promoted, achieved the rank of
sergeant, and after some sort of battlefield heroics was promoted to the
rank of officer. He died in action about six months later. My mother,
whose brother he was, told me about this, and she had correspondence she
showed me that her father and mother received from the war department or
the army or whomever that described his service, promotion to officer,
death, et cetera. After the war, my mother and father met some soldiers
from her brother's unit, and they all described him as a "mustang"
officer, meaning someone promoted up from the ranks as a result of
battlefield action.

I was a young boy when my mother told me about this, and I don't recall
any significant details. I never met that uncle because he died before I
was born, but when my mother's mother died some years later, I attended
the funeral and after she was buried, we walked over to part of the
cemetery where the uncle's gravestone was. I seem to recall that there
was a marker, but no body buried there, but I'm hazy on that. It was a
really bad day, because of my grandmother's death and funeral.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On 11/15/2013 8:29 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/14/13, 4:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/14/2013 1:02 PM, John H wrote:


Damn! Honestly, they don't pour out whatever knowledge you've gained
as an enlisted when you go to
OCS. ****, I was an SP5. I knew my artillery stuff pretty good!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




What were people like yourself who were enlisted and then earned a
commission called in the Army?

In the Navy it was "Mustanger"


One of my uncles was an army mustang. He enlisted in the army right
after Pearl Harbor, was regularly promoted, achieved the rank of
sergeant, and after some sort of battlefield heroics was promoted to the
rank of officer. He died in action about six months later. My mother,
whose brother he was, told me about this, and she had correspondence she
showed me that her father and mother received from the war department or
the army or whomever that described his service, promotion to officer,
death, et cetera. After the war, my mother and father met some soldiers
from her brother's unit, and they all described him as a "mustang"
officer, meaning someone promoted up from the ranks as a result of
battlefield action.

I was a young boy when my mother told me about this, and I don't recall
any significant details. I never met that uncle because he died before I
was born, but when my mother's mother died some years later, I attended
the funeral and after she was buried, we walked over to part of the
cemetery where the uncle's gravestone was. I seem to recall that there
was a marker, but no body buried there, but I'm hazy on that. It was a
really bad day, because of my grandmother's death and funeral.


That was a gripping story. Well written too.
Thanks for sharing.

--
Americans deserve better.

F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/14/13, 4:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/14/2013 1:02 PM, John H wrote:


Damn! Honestly, they don't pour out whatever knowledge you've gained
as an enlisted when you go to
OCS. ****, I was an SP5. I knew my artillery stuff pretty good!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




What were people like yourself who were enlisted and then earned a
commission called in the Army?

In the Navy it was "Mustanger"


One of my uncles was an army mustang. He enlisted in the army right
after Pearl Harbor, was regularly promoted, achieved the rank of
sergeant, and after some sort of battlefield heroics was promoted to
the rank of officer. He died in action about six months later. My
mother, whose brother he was, told me about this, and she had
correspondence she showed me that her father and mother received from
the war department or the army or whomever that described his service,
promotion to officer, death, et cetera. After the war, my mother and
father met some soldiers from her brother's unit, and they all
described him as a "mustang" officer, meaning someone promoted up from
the ranks as a result of battlefield action.

I was a young boy when my mother told me about this, and I don't
recall any significant details. I never met that uncle because he died
before I was born, but when my mother's mother died some years later,
I attended the funeral and after she was buried, we walked over to
part of the cemetery where the uncle's gravestone was. I seem to
recall that there was a marker, but no body buried there, but I'm hazy
on that. It was a really bad day, because of my grandmother's death
and funeral.

Sure.

In article , says...

I was just reading that a selectman in a town here in MA (Shrewsbury)
has raised an issue regarding gun ownership. He feels that local police
departments should have the authority to visit registered gun owners'
homes and inspect for required safe storage of the guns. His point is
that laws exist that require locks and/or safes for guns but there are
no means of enforcing these laws.

Hmmmmm....

I pondered that one for a little bit then, because of the discussions
here about horses, I realized something.

A permit is required to have horses permanently on your property ... at
least in our town and many others.

The permit is issued yearly based on an inspection of the stables, barn,
and grounds by the animal control inspector. She checks to ensure
sanitary and safe conditions for both the horse(s) and that may visit in
the barn area.

Is that any different than home inspections for the safe storage of
firearms?

I don't know.

What are you going to do when they want to inspect your toilets to ensure that you are using
low flow models. What are you going to do when you they want to inspect your light fixtures
to ensure that you are using the light bulb they demand that you use.

The issues is when do you stand up for your rights?

In article , says...

On 11/13/2013 7:18 AM, John H wrote:


The idea that a cop could search, warrantless, your home and this would be acceptable is
unfathomable.


John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




I agree that a search of your home without a warrant showing probable
cause is unfathomable. The sneaky thing about this selectman's proposal
is that the authorization for the cops to search is tied to your permit
to own firearms. In other words, you don't agree .. you can't legally
own a firearm. To me, his idea is that in order to qualify for a gun
permit you must give the police permission to enter and search your home
ahead of time.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the
people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Why do you put up with having your 2A right infringed. Where in the US Constitution does it
say that you have to obtain a permit to own arms.

Years ago when we were wintering in Florida and Mrs.E's. horses had
been transported down there, we received a letter from our home town
indicating that a barn inspection had been conducted and her permit to
have horses was renewed for another year. Mrs.E. was happy. I was ****ed.

The barn had been secured for the winter. No horses. It's located on
our property. It also contains a lot of fairly expensive equipment and
gear.

What right did a town official have to enter the barn without our
knowledge or permission? I know it was harmless and for a specific
purpose but still the idea that anyone ... town official or private
citizen could enter whenever they felt like it got under my skin.
To me, it's trespassing.

I called the town hall and explained my concern. I wasn't an ass about
it or anything but made the point that if it were anyone else, it would
be considered a break-in, in my opinion. I asked them what would
happen if we reported some equipment as being missing when we returned
in the spring?

I guess the town had never considered anything like that. Since then
they always call the day before they would like to visit for an inspection.

You should have reported it as a robbery.