I was just reading that a selectman in a town here in MA (Shrewsbury)
has raised an issue regarding gun ownership. He feels that local police
departments should have the authority to visit registered gun owners'
homes and inspect for required safe storage of the guns. His point is
that laws exist that require locks and/or safes for guns but there are
no means of enforcing these laws.

Hmmmmm....

I pondered that one for a little bit then, because of the discussions
here about horses, I realized something.

A permit is required to have horses permanently on your property ... at
least in our town and many others.

The permit is issued yearly based on an inspection of the stables, barn,
and grounds by the animal control inspector. She checks to ensure
sanitary and safe conditions for both the horse(s) and that may visit in
the barn area.

Is that any different than home inspections for the safe storage of
firearms?

I don't know.

On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 15:21:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


I was just reading that a selectman in a town here in MA (Shrewsbury)
has raised an issue regarding gun ownership. He feels that local police
departments should have the authority to visit registered gun owners'
homes and inspect for required safe storage of the guns. His point is
that laws exist that require locks and/or safes for guns but there are
no means of enforcing these laws.

Hmmmmm....

I pondered that one for a little bit then, because of the discussions
here about horses, I realized something.

A permit is required to have horses permanently on your property ... at
least in our town and many others.

The permit is issued yearly based on an inspection of the stables, barn,
and grounds by the animal control inspector. She checks to ensure
sanitary and safe conditions for both the horse(s) and that may visit in
the barn area.

Is that any different than home inspections for the safe storage of
firearms?

I don't know.



The big difference is in the 'confiscation' arena, which seems to be the next step up the anti-gun
ladder. It sounds as though protection of the horse is the name of their 'inspection' game. You
reckon they're trying to protect guns with their safety inspections. Suppose you like to sleep with
a loaded pistol under your pillow? Does Joe Cop get to confiscate it if he finds it? Sounds like
about ten too many liberals on the town council.

You'd probably love it if they confiscated the horse!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On 11/12/2013 3:32 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 15:21:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


I was just reading that a selectman in a town here in MA (Shrewsbury)
has raised an issue regarding gun ownership. He feels that local police
departments should have the authority to visit registered gun owners'
homes and inspect for required safe storage of the guns. His point is
that laws exist that require locks and/or safes for guns but there are
no means of enforcing these laws.

Hmmmmm....

I pondered that one for a little bit then, because of the discussions
here about horses, I realized something.

A permit is required to have horses permanently on your property ... at
least in our town and many others.

The permit is issued yearly based on an inspection of the stables, barn,
and grounds by the animal control inspector. She checks to ensure
sanitary and safe conditions for both the horse(s) (*and people*) who may visit in
the barn area.

Is that any different than home inspections for the safe storage of
firearms?

I don't know.





Suppose you like to sleep with a loaded pistol under your pillow?

Doesn't everybody?

On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 15:36:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/12/2013 3:32 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 15:21:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


I was just reading that a selectman in a town here in MA (Shrewsbury)
has raised an issue regarding gun ownership. He feels that local police
departments should have the authority to visit registered gun owners'
homes and inspect for required safe storage of the guns. His point is
that laws exist that require locks and/or safes for guns but there are
no means of enforcing these laws.

Hmmmmm....

I pondered that one for a little bit then, because of the discussions
here about horses, I realized something.

A permit is required to have horses permanently on your property ... at
least in our town and many others.

The permit is issued yearly based on an inspection of the stables, barn,
and grounds by the animal control inspector. She checks to ensure
sanitary and safe conditions for both the horse(s) (*and people*) who may visit in
the barn area.

Is that any different than home inspections for the safe storage of
firearms?

I don't know.





Suppose you like to sleep with a loaded pistol under your pillow?

Doesn't everybody?




Yeah, but it's uncomfortable as hell - having that loaded pistol in a big bulky safe.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 15:21:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


I was just reading that a selectman in a town here in MA (Shrewsbury)
has raised an issue regarding gun ownership. He feels that local police
departments should have the authority to visit registered gun owners'
homes and inspect for required safe storage of the guns. His point is
that laws exist that require locks and/or safes for guns but there are
no means of enforcing these laws.

Hmmmmm....

I pondered that one for a little bit then, because of the discussions
here about horses, I realized something.

A permit is required to have horses permanently on your property ... at
least in our town and many others.

The permit is issued yearly based on an inspection of the stables, barn,
and grounds by the animal control inspector. She checks to ensure
sanitary and safe conditions for both the horse(s) and that may visit in
the barn area.

Is that any different than home inspections for the safe storage of
firearms?

I don't know.



The big difference is in the 'confiscation' arena, which seems to be the next step up the anti-gun
ladder. It sounds as though protection of the horse is the name of their 'inspection' game. You
reckon they're trying to protect guns with their safety inspections. Suppose you like to sleep with
a loaded pistol under your pillow? Does Joe Cop get to confiscate it if he finds it? Sounds like
about ten too many liberals on the town council.

You'd probably love it if they confiscated the horse!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

They're trying to protect innocent people from morons like you. If you
sleep with a loaded pistol under your pillow they SHOULD confiscate it.

On 11/12/2013 3:21 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

I was just reading that a selectman in a town here in MA (Shrewsbury)
has raised an issue regarding gun ownership. He feels that local police
departments should have the authority to visit registered gun owners'
homes and inspect for required safe storage of the guns. His point is
that laws exist that require locks and/or safes for guns but there are
no means of enforcing these laws.

Hmmmmm....

I pondered that one for a little bit then, because of the discussions
here about horses, I realized something.

A permit is required to have horses permanently on your property ... at
least in our town and many others.

The permit is issued yearly based on an inspection of the stables, barn,
and grounds by the animal control inspector. She checks to ensure
sanitary and safe conditions for both the horse(s) and that may visit in
the barn area.

Is that any different than home inspections for the safe storage of
firearms?

I don't know.




Meant to say, "sanitary and safe conditions for both the horse(s) and
*people* who may visit in the barn area".

On 11/12/13, 3:21 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

I was just reading that a selectman in a town here in MA (Shrewsbury)
has raised an issue regarding gun ownership. He feels that local police
departments should have the authority to visit registered gun owners'
homes and inspect for required safe storage of the guns. His point is
that laws exist that require locks and/or safes for guns but there are
no means of enforcing these laws.

Hmmmmm....

I pondered that one for a little bit then, because of the discussions
here about horses, I realized something.

A permit is required to have horses permanently on your property ... at
least in our town and many others.

The permit is issued yearly based on an inspection of the stables, barn,
and grounds by the animal control inspector. She checks to ensure
sanitary and safe conditions for both the horse(s) and that may visit in
the barn area.

Is that any different than home inspections for the safe storage of
firearms?

I don't know.




The fact that there are going to be inspections should be widely
announced, but the inspections themselves should be unannounced...just a
ring of the doorbell. But my guess is that the NRA would seek and get a TRO.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 11/12/13, 3:21 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

I was just reading that a selectman in a town here in MA (Shrewsbury)
has raised an issue regarding gun ownership. He feels that local police
departments should have the authority to visit registered gun owners'
homes and inspect for required safe storage of the guns. His point is
that laws exist that require locks and/or safes for guns but there are
no means of enforcing these laws.

Hmmmmm....

I pondered that one for a little bit then, because of the discussions
here about horses, I realized something.

A permit is required to have horses permanently on your property ... at
least in our town and many others.

The permit is issued yearly based on an inspection of the stables, barn,
and grounds by the animal control inspector. She checks to ensure
sanitary and safe conditions for both the horse(s) and that may visit in
the barn area.

Is that any different than home inspections for the safe storage of
firearms?

I don't know.




The fact that there are going to be inspections should be widely
announced, but the inspections themselves should be unannounced...just a
ring of the doorbell. But my guess is that the NRA would seek and get a TRO.


Sounds like with that reasoning, the state can come in and inspect any
dwelling or land. Might be a building without the proper permit. Maybe
you have a leaking toilet, and wasting water. Something that was addressed
in the Constitution. DC court tossed the permit to own a gun in DC, did in
they?

On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 21:35:05 -0600, Califbill wrote:

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 11/12/13, 3:21 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

I was just reading that a selectman in a town here in MA (Shrewsbury)
has raised an issue regarding gun ownership. He feels that local police
departments should have the authority to visit registered gun owners'
homes and inspect for required safe storage of the guns. His point is
that laws exist that require locks and/or safes for guns but there are
no means of enforcing these laws.

Hmmmmm....

I pondered that one for a little bit then, because of the discussions
here about horses, I realized something.

A permit is required to have horses permanently on your property ... at
least in our town and many others.

The permit is issued yearly based on an inspection of the stables, barn,
and grounds by the animal control inspector. She checks to ensure
sanitary and safe conditions for both the horse(s) and that may visit in
the barn area.

Is that any different than home inspections for the safe storage of
firearms?

I don't know.




The fact that there are going to be inspections should be widely
announced, but the inspections themselves should be unannounced...just a
ring of the doorbell. But my guess is that the NRA would seek and get a TRO.


Sounds like with that reasoning, the state can come in and inspect any
dwelling or land. Might be a building without the proper permit. Maybe
you have a leaking toilet, and wasting water. Something that was addressed
in the Constitution. DC court tossed the permit to own a gun in DC, did in
they?

I mentioned the next step to 'safety inspections' would be confiscation, but Luddite deleted that in
his response.

"The big difference is in the 'confiscation' arena, which seems to be the next step up the anti-gun
ladder. It sounds as though protection of the horse is the name of their 'inspection' game. You
reckon they're trying to protect guns with their safety inspections. Suppose you like to sleep with
a loaded pistol under your pillow? Does Joe Cop get to confiscate it if he finds it? Sounds like
about ten too many liberals on the town council. "

The idea that a cop could search, warrantless, your home and this would be acceptable is
unfathomable.


John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 21:35:05 -0600, Califbill wrote:

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 11/12/13, 3:21 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

I was just reading that a selectman in a town here in MA (Shrewsbury)
has raised an issue regarding gun ownership. He feels that local police
departments should have the authority to visit registered gun owners'
homes and inspect for required safe storage of the guns. His point is
that laws exist that require locks and/or safes for guns but there are
no means of enforcing these laws.

Hmmmmm....

I pondered that one for a little bit then, because of the discussions
here about horses, I realized something.

A permit is required to have horses permanently on your property ... at
least in our town and many others.

The permit is issued yearly based on an inspection of the stables, barn,
and grounds by the animal control inspector. She checks to ensure
sanitary and safe conditions for both the horse(s) and that may visit in
the barn area.

Is that any different than home inspections for the safe storage of
firearms?

I don't know.




The fact that there are going to be inspections should be widely
announced, but the inspections themselves should be unannounced...just a
ring of the doorbell. But my guess is that the NRA would seek and get a TRO.


Sounds like with that reasoning, the state can come in and inspect any
dwelling or land. Might be a building without the proper permit. Maybe
you have a leaking toilet, and wasting water. Something that was addressed
in the Constitution. DC court tossed the permit to own a gun in DC, did in
they?

I mentioned the next step to 'safety inspections' would be confiscation, but Luddite deleted that in
his response.

"The big difference is in the 'confiscation' arena, which seems to be the next step up the anti-gun
ladder. It sounds as though protection of the horse is the name of their 'inspection' game. You
reckon they're trying to protect guns with their safety inspections. Suppose you like to sleep with
a loaded pistol under your pillow? Does Joe Cop get to confiscate it if he finds it? Sounds like
about ten too many liberals on the town council. "

The idea that a cop could search, warrantless, your home and this would be acceptable is
unfathomable.


John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

The cops these days have almost limitless power. Get pulled over, the
cop asks to search your vehicle, if you say no, he makes you next few
hours a living hell. All he has to do is say there was probable cause,
which these days is so diluted he can say that at just about any time.
As far as a home, if a cop comes knocking on your door, and if you act
scared, or even make a sudden movement, he can claim probable cause and
search your home.