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says... In article , says... On 11/13/2013 7:18 AM, John H wrote: The idea that a cop could search, warrantless, your home and this would be acceptable is unfathomable. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! I agree that a search of your home without a warrant showing probable cause is unfathomable. The sneaky thing about this selectman's proposal is that the authorization for the cops to search is tied to your permit to own firearms. In other words, you don't agree .. you can't legally own a firearm. To me, his idea is that in order to qualify for a gun permit you must give the police permission to enter and search your home ahead of time. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Why do you put up with having your 2A right infringed. Where in the US Constitution does it say that you have to obtain a permit to own arms. Years ago when we were wintering in Florida and Mrs.E's. horses had been transported down there, we received a letter from our home town indicating that a barn inspection had been conducted and her permit to have horses was renewed for another year. Mrs.E. was happy. I was ****ed. The barn had been secured for the winter. No horses. It's located on our property. It also contains a lot of fairly expensive equipment and gear. What right did a town official have to enter the barn without our knowledge or permission? I know it was harmless and for a specific purpose but still the idea that anyone ... town official or private citizen could enter whenever they felt like it got under my skin. To me, it's trespassing. I called the town hall and explained my concern. I wasn't an ass about it or anything but made the point that if it were anyone else, it would be considered a break-in, in my opinion. I asked them what would happen if we reported some equipment as being missing when we returned in the spring? I guess the town had never considered anything like that. Since then they always call the day before they would like to visit for an inspection. You should have reported it as a robbery. Doing such is a crime. |
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On 11/16/2013 12:03 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says... I was just reading that a selectman in a town here in MA (Shrewsbury) has raised an issue regarding gun ownership. He feels that local police departments should have the authority to visit registered gun owners' homes and inspect for required safe storage of the guns. His point is that laws exist that require locks and/or safes for guns but there are no means of enforcing these laws. Hmmmmm.... I pondered that one for a little bit then, because of the discussions here about horses, I realized something. A permit is required to have horses permanently on your property ... at least in our town and many others. The permit is issued yearly based on an inspection of the stables, barn, and grounds by the animal control inspector. She checks to ensure sanitary and safe conditions for both the horse(s) and that may visit in the barn area. Is that any different than home inspections for the safe storage of firearms? I don't know. What are you going to do when they want to inspect your toilets to ensure that you are using low flow models. What are you going to do when you they want to inspect your light fixtures to ensure that you are using the light bulb they demand that you use. The issues is when do you stand up for your rights? Nobody is demanding that you change your toilets or replace all your light fixtures. You can use the old styles of each as long as you want until it's time to replace them. You won't be able to get 3 gallon per flush toilets or incandescent light bulbs that are 60 watts or more simply because they don't sell them anymore. (or won't starting in 2014). Nothing to do with "rights". |
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#126
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On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 16:22:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/16/2013 12:03 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... I was just reading that a selectman in a town here in MA (Shrewsbury) has raised an issue regarding gun ownership. He feels that local police departments should have the authority to visit registered gun owners' homes and inspect for required safe storage of the guns. His point is that laws exist that require locks and/or safes for guns but there are no means of enforcing these laws. Hmmmmm.... I pondered that one for a little bit then, because of the discussions here about horses, I realized something. A permit is required to have horses permanently on your property ... at least in our town and many others. The permit is issued yearly based on an inspection of the stables, barn, and grounds by the animal control inspector. She checks to ensure sanitary and safe conditions for both the horse(s) and that may visit in the barn area. Is that any different than home inspections for the safe storage of firearms? I don't know. What are you going to do when they want to inspect your toilets to ensure that you are using low flow models. What are you going to do when you they want to inspect your light fixtures to ensure that you are using the light bulb they demand that you use. The issues is when do you stand up for your rights? Nobody is demanding that you change your toilets or replace all your light fixtures. You can use the old styles of each as long as you want until it's time to replace them. You won't be able to get 3 gallon per flush toilets or incandescent light bulbs that are 60 watts or more simply because they don't sell them anymore. (or won't starting in 2014). Nothing to do with "rights". I busted the lid to one of my tanks, the 3 gallon type. Went to Home Depot to get a lid. None available. Figured I'd just buy a new tank for $60-70 or whatever. Nope - tank wouldn't work on the toilet bottom. Now I'm getting ****ed. Luckily, the old guy in the contractor's area gave me a name of a person who'd been collecting the old stuff. Cost me $50 just for a lid, but I was happy. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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#127
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On 11/16/2013 12:16 PM, Hank© wrote:
On 11/16/2013 12:03 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... I was just reading that a selectman in a town here in MA (Shrewsbury) has raised an issue regarding gun ownership. He feels that local police departments should have the authority to visit registered gun owners' homes and inspect for required safe storage of the guns. His point is that laws exist that require locks and/or safes for guns but there are no means of enforcing these laws. Hmmmmm.... I pondered that one for a little bit then, because of the discussions here about horses, I realized something. A permit is required to have horses permanently on your property ... at least in our town and many others. The permit is issued yearly based on an inspection of the stables, barn, and grounds by the animal control inspector. She checks to ensure sanitary and safe conditions for both the horse(s) and that may visit in the barn area. Is that any different than home inspections for the safe storage of firearms? I don't know. What are you going to do when they want to inspect your toilets to ensure that you are using low flow models. What are you going to do when you they want to inspect your light fixtures to ensure that you are using the light bulb they demand that you use. The issues is when do you stand up for your rights? There are so many deadbeats voting now that the vision of states and individual rights is only a fading memory. The people I get a kick out of are the ones demanding their "rights" yet have never contributed or done anything to protect or defend those rights. They just want them. Here's an example: We have a person here who *demands* his right to bear arms who: a. Never served in the military or other public service organization like the Peace Corps, etc., to support that right (other than be hatched here.) b. Doesn't own a firearm. c. Doesn't even have a permit to own a firearm. Yet, the same person complained that I was jeopardizing his "rights" because I indicated I'd have no problem with a cop inspecting how I stored my firearms to ensure compliance with state and local laws. That cracked me up. I have no problem with those who never served in the military or other national service of some kind. That's up to them and there's nothing wrong with it. But don't tell me I am putting their "rights" in jeopardy simply because I choose to accept reasonable gun laws intended to promote public safety. I earned my right to decide that. |
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On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 16:52:07 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/16/2013 12:16 PM, Hank© wrote: On 11/16/2013 12:03 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... I was just reading that a selectman in a town here in MA (Shrewsbury) has raised an issue regarding gun ownership. He feels that local police departments should have the authority to visit registered gun owners' homes and inspect for required safe storage of the guns. His point is that laws exist that require locks and/or safes for guns but there are no means of enforcing these laws. Hmmmmm.... I pondered that one for a little bit then, because of the discussions here about horses, I realized something. A permit is required to have horses permanently on your property ... at least in our town and many others. The permit is issued yearly based on an inspection of the stables, barn, and grounds by the animal control inspector. She checks to ensure sanitary and safe conditions for both the horse(s) and that may visit in the barn area. Is that any different than home inspections for the safe storage of firearms? I don't know. What are you going to do when they want to inspect your toilets to ensure that you are using low flow models. What are you going to do when you they want to inspect your light fixtures to ensure that you are using the light bulb they demand that you use. The issues is when do you stand up for your rights? There are so many deadbeats voting now that the vision of states and individual rights is only a fading memory. The people I get a kick out of are the ones demanding their "rights" yet have never contributed or done anything to protect or defend those rights. They just want them. Here's an example: We have a person here who *demands* his right to bear arms who: a. Never served in the military or other public service organization like the Peace Corps, etc., to support that right (other than be hatched here.) b. Doesn't own a firearm. c. Doesn't even have a permit to own a firearm. Yet, the same person complained that I was jeopardizing his "rights" because I indicated I'd have no problem with a cop inspecting how I stored my firearms to ensure compliance with state and local laws. That cracked me up. I have no problem with those who never served in the military or other national service of some kind. That's up to them and there's nothing wrong with it. But don't tell me I am putting their "rights" in jeopardy simply because I choose to accept reasonable gun laws intended to promote public safety. I earned my right to decide that. I'm not sure to whom you're referring, 'cause I don't know who does/doesn't own a firearm. Maybe I've not been paying close enough attention. But, one's 'rights' under the Constitution should have no bearing whatsoever on the service they have or haven't rendered to this country. I have no problem with you letting whomever you want into your house for whatever reason. I *would* have a problem with an uninvited, warrantless search of my house by the cops or anyone else. And I would have a big problem with some city council passing a law which made warrantless searches without cause possible. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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#129
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On 11/16/2013 5:19 PM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 16:52:07 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/16/2013 12:16 PM, Hank© wrote: On 11/16/2013 12:03 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... I was just reading that a selectman in a town here in MA (Shrewsbury) has raised an issue regarding gun ownership. He feels that local police departments should have the authority to visit registered gun owners' homes and inspect for required safe storage of the guns. His point is that laws exist that require locks and/or safes for guns but there are no means of enforcing these laws. Hmmmmm.... I pondered that one for a little bit then, because of the discussions here about horses, I realized something. A permit is required to have horses permanently on your property ... at least in our town and many others. The permit is issued yearly based on an inspection of the stables, barn, and grounds by the animal control inspector. She checks to ensure sanitary and safe conditions for both the horse(s) and that may visit in the barn area. Is that any different than home inspections for the safe storage of firearms? I don't know. What are you going to do when they want to inspect your toilets to ensure that you are using low flow models. What are you going to do when you they want to inspect your light fixtures to ensure that you are using the light bulb they demand that you use. The issues is when do you stand up for your rights? There are so many deadbeats voting now that the vision of states and individual rights is only a fading memory. The people I get a kick out of are the ones demanding their "rights" yet have never contributed or done anything to protect or defend those rights. They just want them. Here's an example: We have a person here who *demands* his right to bear arms who: a. Never served in the military or other public service organization like the Peace Corps, etc., to support that right (other than be hatched here.) b. Doesn't own a firearm. c. Doesn't even have a permit to own a firearm. Yet, the same person complained that I was jeopardizing his "rights" because I indicated I'd have no problem with a cop inspecting how I stored my firearms to ensure compliance with state and local laws. That cracked me up. I have no problem with those who never served in the military or other national service of some kind. That's up to them and there's nothing wrong with it. But don't tell me I am putting their "rights" in jeopardy simply because I choose to accept reasonable gun laws intended to promote public safety. I earned my right to decide that. I'm not sure to whom you're referring, 'cause I don't know who does/doesn't own a firearm. Maybe I've not been paying close enough attention. But, one's 'rights' under the Constitution should have no bearing whatsoever on the service they have or haven't rendered to this country. I have no problem with you letting whomever you want into your house for whatever reason. I *would* have a problem with an uninvited, warrantless search of my house by the cops or anyone else. And I would have a big problem with some city council passing a law which made warrantless searches without cause possible. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! First of all, it wasn't you complaining that my acceptance of a safety inspection put *your* rights at risk. It was Scott. Second, the guy who is promoting the concept of home inspections isn't advocating a restriction on the right to bear arms protected by the Second Amendment. He's basically saying that in order to get a permit to own and store a firearm, you agree to allow an inspection of how you store them. If you don't agree ... no permit. That's why I don't have a problem with it, even if it eventually gets enacted into law. To get a permit as it is in this state, we already must submit to a background check, be fingerprinted and every purchase or sale of a gun by us is kept ... ergo "Registry". I have no problem with any of that either. Maybe if I were of a criminal mind I would. |
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On 11/16/13, 7:06 PM, Charlemagne wrote:
On 11/16/2013 12:12 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/13/13, 12:09 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/13/13, 7:57 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/13/2013 7:44 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/13/13, 7:38 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/13/2013 7:18 AM, John H wrote: The idea that a cop could search, warrantless, your home and this would be acceptable is unfathomable. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! I agree that a search of your home without a warrant showing probable cause is unfathomable. The sneaky thing about this selectman's proposal is that the authorization for the cops to search is tied to your permit to own firearms. In other words, you don't agree .. you can't legally own a firearm. To me, his idea is that in order to qualify for a gun permit you must give the police permission to enter and search your home ahead of time. If there is a local law requiring guns to be locked up safely, how is that law to be enforced? Here's an idea: If you have a gun and it is supposed to be locked and a kid gets his hands on it and shoots himself or someone else, *you* go to prison. Or, if someone steals a firearm and you don't report it right away, you go to prison. Those are already distinct possibilities. You can be charged for negligence and for not storing the firearms in the prescribed manner by law. This will **** off the Tea Party types here, but I would not object to an inspection of my firearm storage. If a cop knocked on the door right now and asked if I voluntarily agreed to him coming in and checking how my guns are stored, I'd say, "Come on in". I don't have any problem with such an inspection, either. There are no kids running around here, and all but one home defense weapon are locked up in a safe. We don't get many doorbell ringers around here, other than UPS/FEDEX and the Sunday church ladies, and I always peek on the video monitor before I open the door anyway. Anyone breaking in at night meets Mr. 12 Gauge. Paranoid, or you live in a high crime district. I have video cams around the exterior. Nothing paranoid about that. What's paranoid about greeting someone breaking in at night with a 12 gauge? Breaking in at night? Where was that mentioned. You commented about answering the front door. It doesn't fit in with his Charles Bronson fantasy. He told his local I threatened to break down his door... When that was always his own foolish fantasy.... Like you say, he's got a Bronson complex for sure... You've made lots of threats here, and for years. No one is going to take you up on them. You're a little twerp with cancer and a heart condition. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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