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says...

On 24 May 2013 00:04:48 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

My daughter's father in law (a retired history professor) is that way
too but he always complains that he couldn't say much around the
campus, lest he be shunned.
He is also the biggest critic of the university scam I have heard.
He says universities are mostly focused on protecting professor jobs,
not preparing students for a job.
He still took the money tho. Now he is sailing the Indian river behind
Melbourne beach most days or up in his lake house near Oprah's house
in New Buffalo Michigan.

Educators certainly don't seem to be destitute as they would have you
believe.

I never thought a college's purpose was to prepare students for a job.

That does seem shocking to the graduates who find out their degree
just allows them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks.
I guess they can hang that sheepskin on the wall of their parent's
basement, over their bed.


Gee, my degree has taken me further than I imagined. It's what you do
with it that counts.

I find it pretty funny that you and Scotty both think that education
isn't important.

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In article ,
says...

On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter
schools erodes the funds available for public schools.

===

Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are
failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process.
When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities,
the parents are inevitably to blame.

A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have
functioning families.


A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much
time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and
kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be,
our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad
at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give
them, they could do a lot more.

Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college
without homework?

And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done.

John H.


In college no problem, and even in public schools.....



.... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework"
anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years
ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town
to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to
one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is
a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At
the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets
a voice, I will leave it at that.

'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after
school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly
constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are
well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework.

John H.


Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all
parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and
schedule they do....

Eh, you MAKE time for your kids. Some parents are smart enough to use
that time to educate their kids, others fritter it aways on minibikes.

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In article ,
says...

On 5/24/2013 6:24 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 22:15:10 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 5/22/2013 9:52 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 5/22/13 9:23 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

Um, ok. either way. My point stands. Kids don't need three hours of
homework in the fourth grade, and in too many families, it won't/can't
get done anyway.... If they would stick to readin' writin' and
'rithmetic, instead of political and social indoctrination, they can get
it done in the allotted time period. This is a different world, the
schools need to adjust too...


Political indoctrination? Did your kids go to public school at a gulag?
Three hours of homework in the fourth grade? Are you on drugs?

----------------------------------------------------

I don't know what the homework load is specifically in today's public
schools but both my daughter and my older son who both have kids in
school have commented that the homework load is incredibly high, even at
the grade school level .... significantly higher than what I remember
them as kids having.
I think the increased homework load on kids in the grade school levels
is a direct result of the Massachusetts Comprehensive Assessment System
(MCAS) system that was introduced in 1993. It's still controversial
because it evaluates school systems and the teachers as well as the
academic achievement of the students and some people feel it puts
unnecessary pressure on the kids at too early of an age.

As for me, I don't really remember much of grammar school. My
recollection of high school (back in the dark ages) is similar to
Harry's .... about 2, sometimes even 3 hours a night, depending on the
course load.

Sure, that's about right.. 5 classes, 40 hours of homework for each
class, 90 day semester.... Sure, in high school that's fine and probably
about right.

I spend almost every evening with parents of elementary and middle
school students who are getting that amount of homework too, and there
are a lot of them that find it very hard to spend that much time each
evening doing homework for kids who could learn the basics of elementary
and middle school, during the school day...

Something doesn't track. Earlier you said 40+ hours a semester. Now you're saying 2 to 3 hours each
evening. I believe the latter. And yes, it's rough.

John H.


Do the math... 5 classes, 40 hours each class per semester... I don't
think middle school and elementary students and parents should be tied
down with 2-4 hours hw a night... it's crazy. They do that in the Essex
system, and the schools there still suck....

Yeah, what are they doing, trying to make your gulldurn kids do some
learnin'.......

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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 5/24/13 6:56 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote:

Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all
parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and
schedule they do....


It's tough on families these days, but responsible parents
traditionally
make whatever sacrifices are necessary to help their kids perform
satisfactorily in school, and if that means giving up kiddie motorbike
racing so there is time to help with homework or to take kids to the
library or a museum, then so be it. Your posts on this subject read as
if you are looking to rationalize the paths you took that did not lead
to helping your children succeed in school.

------------------------------------------

I am glad you used the word "satisfactorily" because I firmly believe
that the childhood years should be a balance of well rounded
experiences and activities in addition to attending school and doing
homework. Schoolwork is always the priority but I'd rather see a kid
get a "B" rather than an "A" but also enjoy playing sports, being
involved in a drama club or other extracurricular activities within
the school system or outside of it. Drop the grade to a "C" and they
go on notice and extracurricular activities become limited. Drop to a
"D" and the extracurricular activities are eliminated until the grades
come up. It puts additional pressure and demands of time on the
parents to transport them, purchase the necessary extracurricular
equipment , and support them by attending the football/baseball games
and dance recitals in addition to teacher/parent conferences but it's
part of the deal if you have kids.

We used to tell our kids that as parents, our primary job was to run
the household, establish the rules and work to earn money to pay the
mortgage, buy food and clothes and generally support the family.
*Their* job was to do the best they could in school. Their *pay* or
reward for doing so was the right to participate in all the "fun"
activities as well.

We also used to tell them that the most important grade they received
on their report card was the "effort" grade. People (kids as well as
adults) are not equally programmed to excel in all subjects but as
long as serious effort is made they cannot be faulted.

I think successfully raising kids in a manner where they can go on in
life and stand on their own two feet as responsible adults is by far
the toughest job parents will ever have. In my case, running a
growing business was duck soup in comparison.

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On Fri, 24 May 2013 06:55:37 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 5/24/2013 6:21 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 21:03:50 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 5/22/2013 7:33 PM, Eisboch wrote:




On 5/22/13 7:18 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:


.... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework"
anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years
ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town
to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to
one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is
a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At
the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets
a voice, I will leave it at that.

--------------------------------

I am not exactly sure what you are implying. It sounds like you are
saying that your mom helped institute a policy that all but guarantees a
HS diploma, regardless of academic achievement or qualification. Is that
what you are saying?



Wow, I think you are channeling loogie but I will spell it out for you.
Schools can in fact teach the students without 40 plus hours of homework
a semester. Our system has been doing that for over 50 years and our
system is constantly among the highest rated educations in the state...

I would believe that only if your students take three or four subjects, and have a lot of in-school
time for homework. If your middle- and high school students are not given a few hours during the
school day for homework, then I don't believe the students are doing as well as you say. I believe
this - the way to learn math is to do math. Your 40+ hours of homework a semester amounts to less
than a half-hour per day. Perhaps your school day goes from 7:30 AM to 6:00PM? Then I'd believe you.

John H.


Perhaps, you can't do math.... and either way, you can look up the
results, you don't have to "believe" me....

Your clarification, earlier, solved the problem.

Sounds like your schools are pretty normal with about two hours of homework per night.

John H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

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On Fri, 24 May 2013 06:56:40 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter
schools erodes the funds available for public schools.

===

Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are
failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process.
When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities,
the parents are inevitably to blame.

A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have
functioning families.


A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much
time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and
kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be,
our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad
at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give
them, they could do a lot more.

Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college
without homework?

And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done.

John H.


In college no problem, and even in public schools.....



.... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework"
anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years
ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town
to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to
one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is
a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At
the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets
a voice, I will leave it at that.

'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after
school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly
constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are
well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework.

John H.


Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all
parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and
schedule they do....

Noper, nothing special. A couple hours homework per night - which is what your schools have per your
clarification of your original statement.

John H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

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On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message
...

On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private
charter
schools erodes the funds available for public schools.

===

Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are
failing from lack of parental committment to the educational
process.
When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities,
the parents are inevitably to blame.

A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have
functioning families.


A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too
much
time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families
and
kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be,
our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom
or dad
at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give
them, they could do a lot more.

Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate
from a decent program in college
without homework?

And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done.

John H.


In college no problem, and even in public schools.....



.... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework"
anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years
ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town
to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to
one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is
a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At
the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets
a voice, I will leave it at that.

'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason
most teachers stay after
school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my
experience, are properly
constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters,
with seven kids between them, are
well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework.

John H.


Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all
parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and
schedule they do....

----------------------------------------

Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of
a philosophy.



You need to relax...

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On 5/24/2013 7:52 AM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:13:26 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

it gives the government
flunkies time to mold the children in their images.


Yup, got that right...

===

That's nonsense.

You should listen to a high schooler and see what the teachers are pushing in schools. Most
of the high school students are smart enough to figure out when the teacher is campaigning
and when the teacher is actually teaching. Three, four and five year old kids are taught to
regurgitate what they are told.


Stop it BAR... They all know way more about this than you and I do... LOL!

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On 5/24/13 10:05 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/24/2013 7:52 AM, BAR wrote:
In article ,

says...

On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:13:26 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

it gives the government
flunkies time to mold the children in their images.


Yup, got that right...

===

That's nonsense.

You should listen to a high schooler and see what the teachers are
pushing in schools. Most
of the high school students are smart enough to figure out when the
teacher is campaigning
and when the teacher is actually teaching. Three, four and five year
old kids are taught to
regurgitate what they are told.


Stop it BAR... They all know way more about this than you and I do... LOL!


Comments about education from two guys who barely completed high school.
Wonderful.

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On 5/24/2013 10:07 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/24/13 10:05 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/24/2013 7:52 AM, BAR wrote:
In article ,

says...

On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:13:26 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

it gives the government
flunkies time to mold the children in their images.


Yup, got that right...

===

That's nonsense.

You should listen to a high schooler and see what the teachers are
pushing in schools. Most
of the high school students are smart enough to figure out when the
teacher is campaigning
and when the teacher is actually teaching. Three, four and five year
old kids are taught to
regurgitate what they are told.


Stop it BAR... They all know way more about this than you and I do...
LOL!


Comments about education from two guys who barely completed high school.
Wonderful.

And a comment from you who didn't even graduate high school...