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On 5/22/13 7:27 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"Tim" wrote in message
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On May 22, 12:11 pm, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I've read a lot of reports about charter schools. I'm not impressed for
a lot of reasons, including the facts that they tend to cherry pick
their students, they don't have to deal with "difficult" students, there
have been interesting shenanigans with standardized testing, they many
times are church-related, and they suck resources away from the public
school

I don't know about charter schools, but the parochial schools in my
area don't receive a dime from the govt. The parents pay the tuition
fees.

-------------------------------------------

Our youngest went to a parochial high school.
We paid the tuition for his school but also paid taxes to support the
public school system.



There are church-run charter schools and parochial schools all over the
country that receive direct funding from the public or accept
(gratefully) vouchers from the public school system. We had
church-related schools when I was growing up, but they didn't receive
direct public funding or vouchers.

One of the funniest threads ever...
 

On 5/22/2013 7:24 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/22/13 7:18 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private
charter
schools erodes the funds available for public schools.

===

Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are
failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process.
When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities,
the parents are inevitably to blame.

A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have
functioning families.


A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much
time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and
kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be,
our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or
dad
at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give
them, they could do a lot more.

Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate
from a decent program in college
without homework?

And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done.

John H.


In college no problem, and even in public schools.....



.... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework"
anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years
ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town
to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to
one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is
a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At
the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets
a voice, I will leave it at that.

So, the policy of generous social promotions that got you a diploma is
still in effect?

At least I have a diploma... It's sitting right here in front of me on
the wall. Did you ever earn one?

One of the funniest threads ever...
 

On 5/22/2013 7:33 PM, Eisboch wrote:




On 5/22/13 7:18 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:


.... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework"
anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years
ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town
to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to
one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is
a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At
the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets
a voice, I will leave it at that.

--------------------------------

I am not exactly sure what you are implying. It sounds like you are
saying that your mom helped institute a policy that all but guarantees a
HS diploma, regardless of academic achievement or qualification. Is that
what you are saying?



Wow, I think you are channeling loogie but I will spell it out for you.
Schools can in fact teach the students without 40 plus hours of homework
a semester. Our system has been doing that for over 50 years and our
system is constantly among the highest rated educations in the state...

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"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message
...

On 5/22/2013 7:33 PM, Eisboch wrote:




On 5/22/13 7:18 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:


.... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do
homework"
anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40
years
ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home
town
to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a
half to
one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our
town is
a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be
done. At
the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody
gets
a voice, I will leave it at that.

--------------------------------

I am not exactly sure what you are implying. It sounds like you
are
saying that your mom helped institute a policy that all but
guarantees a
HS diploma, regardless of academic achievement or qualification. Is
that
what you are saying?



Wow, I think you are channeling loogie but I will spell it out for
you.
Schools can in fact teach the students without 40 plus hours of
homework
a semester. Our system has been doing that for over 50 years and our
system is constantly among the highest rated educations in the
state...

-------------------------------------------------

You've changed your wording. First it was " our town is a high rated
system when it comes to diplomas..."

Now it's " our system is constantly among the highest rated
educations in the state..."

Thanks for the clarification of quality over quantity.

One of the funniest threads ever...
 

"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message
...

On 5/22/2013 7:24 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/22/13 7:18 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on
private
charter
schools erodes the funds available for public schools.

===

Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are
failing from lack of parental committment to the educational
process.
When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top
priorities,
the parents are inevitably to blame.

A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have
functioning families.


A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend
too much
time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the
families and
kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to
be,
our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom
or
dad
at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we
give
them, they could do a lot more.

Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think
graduate
from a decent program in college
without homework?

And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done.

John H.


In college no problem, and even in public schools.....



.... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do
homework"
anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40
years
ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home
town
to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a
half to
one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our
town is
a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be
done. At
the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody
gets
a voice, I will leave it at that.

So, the policy of generous social promotions that got you a diploma
is
still in effect?

At least I have a diploma... It's sitting right here in front of me on
the wall. Did you ever earn one?

----------------------------------

LOL! (Sorry). I think you are the first person I've ever heard of
that has his high school diploma on display on a wall.

One of the funniest threads ever...
 

On 5/22/13 8:54 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/22/2013 7:24 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/22/13 7:18 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private
charter
schools erodes the funds available for public schools.

===

Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are
failing from lack of parental committment to the educational
process.
When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities,
the parents are inevitably to blame.

A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have
functioning families.


A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too
much
time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families
and
kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be,
our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or
dad
at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give
them, they could do a lot more.

Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate
from a decent program in college
without homework?

And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done.

John H.


In college no problem, and even in public schools.....



.... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework"
anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years
ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town
to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to
one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is
a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At
the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets
a voice, I will leave it at that.

So, the policy of generous social promotions that got you a diploma is
still in effect?

At least I have a diploma... It's sitting right here in front of me on
the wall. Did you ever earn one?



Three, although I have no idea where my high school diploma is. My
mother had it, but when she moved to Florida, I'm not sure what happened
to it. I do have a bachelor of arts and master of arts degree. My wife
has a bachelor of science, a master of science, and a Ph.D.

One of the funniest threads ever...
 

On 5/22/13 9:03 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/22/2013 7:33 PM, Eisboch wrote:




On 5/22/13 7:18 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:


.... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework"
anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years
ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town
to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to
one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is
a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At
the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets
a voice, I will leave it at that.

--------------------------------

I am not exactly sure what you are implying. It sounds like you are
saying that your mom helped institute a policy that all but guarantees a
HS diploma, regardless of academic achievement or qualification. Is that
what you are saying?



Wow, I think you are channeling loogie but I will spell it out for you.
Schools can in fact teach the students without 40 plus hours of homework
a semester. Our system has been doing that for over 50 years and our
system is constantly among the highest rated educations in the state...

Forty hours of homework a semester? We had at least two hours of
homework a night when I was in high school. Ten hours a week, minimum Of
course, we learned how to read and write, and think abstractly.

You have problems writing coherent sentences. That speaks well to your
wonderful education wherever the hell you went to public school, eh?

One of the funniest threads ever...
 

On 5/22/2013 9:12 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message
...

On 5/22/2013 7:33 PM, Eisboch wrote:




On 5/22/13 7:18 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:


.... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework"
anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years
ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town
to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to
one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is
a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At
the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets
a voice, I will leave it at that.

--------------------------------

I am not exactly sure what you are implying. It sounds like you are
saying that your mom helped institute a policy that all but guarantees a
HS diploma, regardless of academic achievement or qualification. Is that
what you are saying?



Wow, I think you are channeling loogie but I will spell it out for you.
Schools can in fact teach the students without 40 plus hours of homework
a semester. Our system has been doing that for over 50 years and our
system is constantly among the highest rated educations in the state...

-------------------------------------------------

You've changed your wording. First it was " our town is a high rated
system when it comes to diplomas..."

Now it's " our system is constantly among the highest rated educations
in the state..."

Thanks for the clarification of quality over quantity.



Um, ok. either way. My point stands. Kids don't need three hours of
homework in the fourth grade, and in too many families, it won't/can't
get done anyway.... If they would stick to readin' writin' and
'rithmetic, instead of political and social indoctrination, they can get
it done in the allotted time period. This is a different world, the
schools need to adjust too...

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On 5/22/13 9:12 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message
...

On 5/22/2013 7:33 PM, Eisboch wrote:




On 5/22/13 7:18 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:


.... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework"
anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years
ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town
to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to
one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is
a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At
the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets
a voice, I will leave it at that.

--------------------------------

I am not exactly sure what you are implying. It sounds like you are
saying that your mom helped institute a policy that all but guarantees a
HS diploma, regardless of academic achievement or qualification. Is that
what you are saying?



Wow, I think you are channeling loogie but I will spell it out for you.
Schools can in fact teach the students without 40 plus hours of homework
a semester. Our system has been doing that for over 50 years and our
system is constantly among the highest rated educations in the state...

-------------------------------------------------

You've changed your wording. First it was " our town is a high rated
system when it comes to diplomas..."

Now it's " our system is constantly among the highest rated educations
in the state..."

Thanks for the clarification of quality over quantity.




:)

One of the funniest threads ever...
 

On 5/22/13 9:14 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message
...

On 5/22/2013 7:24 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/22/13 7:18 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private
charter
schools erodes the funds available for public schools.

===

Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are
failing from lack of parental committment to the educational
process.
When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities,
the parents are inevitably to blame.

A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have
functioning families.


A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too
much
time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families
and
kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be,
our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or
dad
at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give
them, they could do a lot more.

Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate
from a decent program in college
without homework?

And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done.

John H.


In college no problem, and even in public schools.....



.... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework"
anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years
ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town
to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to
one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is
a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At
the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets
a voice, I will leave it at that.

So, the policy of generous social promotions that got you a diploma is
still in effect?

At least I have a diploma... It's sitting right here in front of me on
the wall. Did you ever earn one?

----------------------------------

LOL! (Sorry). I think you are the first person I've ever heard of
that has his high school diploma on display on a wall.



I don't know where my high school diploma is. I'm fairly certain my
mother "lost it" when she moved from New Haven to Florida. My college
diplomas are in a scrapbook in the house somewhere...never bothered to
get them framed and I don't recall looking at either of them for, oh, 40
years. :)