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On Thu, 23 May 2013 15:16:25 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 23 May 2013 12:41:47 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: Well, maybe more since the mid 80's or so... when it became ok for public school teachers to act like university teachers in the classroom === How many university teachers are you acquainted with? They're all different in my experience. I have a good friend and former sailing buddy who is is a full professor at NYU and just about as conservative as you'd want to get. My daughter's father in law (a retired history professor) is that way too but he always complains that he couldn't say much around the campus, lest he be shunned. He is also the biggest critic of the university scam I have heard. He says universities are mostly focused on protecting professor jobs, not preparing students for a job. He still took the money tho. Now he is sailing the Indian river behind Melbourne beach most days or up in his lake house near Oprah's house in New Buffalo Michigan. Educators certainly don't seem to be destitute as they would have you believe. I never thought a college's purpose was to prepare students for a job. |
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 21:03:50 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/22/2013 7:33 PM, Eisboch wrote: On 5/22/13 7:18 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. -------------------------------- I am not exactly sure what you are implying. It sounds like you are saying that your mom helped institute a policy that all but guarantees a HS diploma, regardless of academic achievement or qualification. Is that what you are saying? Wow, I think you are channeling loogie but I will spell it out for you. Schools can in fact teach the students without 40 plus hours of homework a semester. Our system has been doing that for over 50 years and our system is constantly among the highest rated educations in the state... I would believe that only if your students take three or four subjects, and have a lot of in-school time for homework. If your middle- and high school students are not given a few hours during the school day for homework, then I don't believe the students are doing as well as you say. I believe this - the way to learn math is to do math. Your 40+ hours of homework a semester amounts to less than a half-hour per day. Perhaps your school day goes from 7:30 AM to 6:00PM? Then I'd believe you. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 22:15:10 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/22/2013 9:52 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 5/22/13 9:23 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: Um, ok. either way. My point stands. Kids don't need three hours of homework in the fourth grade, and in too many families, it won't/can't get done anyway.... If they would stick to readin' writin' and 'rithmetic, instead of political and social indoctrination, they can get it done in the allotted time period. This is a different world, the schools need to adjust too... Political indoctrination? Did your kids go to public school at a gulag? Three hours of homework in the fourth grade? Are you on drugs? ---------------------------------------------------- I don't know what the homework load is specifically in today's public schools but both my daughter and my older son who both have kids in school have commented that the homework load is incredibly high, even at the grade school level .... significantly higher than what I remember them as kids having. I think the increased homework load on kids in the grade school levels is a direct result of the Massachusetts Comprehensive Assessment System (MCAS) system that was introduced in 1993. It's still controversial because it evaluates school systems and the teachers as well as the academic achievement of the students and some people feel it puts unnecessary pressure on the kids at too early of an age. As for me, I don't really remember much of grammar school. My recollection of high school (back in the dark ages) is similar to Harry's .... about 2, sometimes even 3 hours a night, depending on the course load. Sure, that's about right.. 5 classes, 40 hours of homework for each class, 90 day semester.... Sure, in high school that's fine and probably about right. I spend almost every evening with parents of elementary and middle school students who are getting that amount of homework too, and there are a lot of them that find it very hard to spend that much time each evening doing homework for kids who could learn the basics of elementary and middle school, during the school day... Something doesn't track. Earlier you said 40+ hours a semester. Now you're saying 2 to 3 hours each evening. I believe the latter. And yes, it's rough. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:40:06 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 5/22/13 7:27 PM, Eisboch wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On May 22, 12:11 pm, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I've read a lot of reports about charter schools. I'm not impressed for a lot of reasons, including the facts that they tend to cherry pick their students, they don't have to deal with "difficult" students, there have been interesting shenanigans with standardized testing, they many times are church-related, and they suck resources away from the public school I don't know about charter schools, but the parochial schools in my area don't receive a dime from the govt. The parents pay the tuition fees. ------------------------------------------- Our youngest went to a parochial high school. We paid the tuition for his school but also paid taxes to support the public school system. There are church-run charter schools and parochial schools all over the country that receive direct funding from the public or accept (gratefully) vouchers from the public school system. As they should, if they meet the educational requirements of their school system. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On 5/24/2013 6:24 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 22:15:10 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 9:52 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 5/22/13 9:23 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: Um, ok. either way. My point stands. Kids don't need three hours of homework in the fourth grade, and in too many families, it won't/can't get done anyway.... If they would stick to readin' writin' and 'rithmetic, instead of political and social indoctrination, they can get it done in the allotted time period. This is a different world, the schools need to adjust too... Political indoctrination? Did your kids go to public school at a gulag? Three hours of homework in the fourth grade? Are you on drugs? ---------------------------------------------------- I don't know what the homework load is specifically in today's public schools but both my daughter and my older son who both have kids in school have commented that the homework load is incredibly high, even at the grade school level .... significantly higher than what I remember them as kids having. I think the increased homework load on kids in the grade school levels is a direct result of the Massachusetts Comprehensive Assessment System (MCAS) system that was introduced in 1993. It's still controversial because it evaluates school systems and the teachers as well as the academic achievement of the students and some people feel it puts unnecessary pressure on the kids at too early of an age. As for me, I don't really remember much of grammar school. My recollection of high school (back in the dark ages) is similar to Harry's .... about 2, sometimes even 3 hours a night, depending on the course load. Sure, that's about right.. 5 classes, 40 hours of homework for each class, 90 day semester.... Sure, in high school that's fine and probably about right. I spend almost every evening with parents of elementary and middle school students who are getting that amount of homework too, and there are a lot of them that find it very hard to spend that much time each evening doing homework for kids who could learn the basics of elementary and middle school, during the school day... Something doesn't track. Earlier you said 40+ hours a semester. Now you're saying 2 to 3 hours each evening. I believe the latter. And yes, it's rough. John H. Do the math... 5 classes, 40 hours each class per semester... I don't think middle school and elementary students and parents should be tied down with 2-4 hours hw a night... it's crazy. They do that in the Essex system, and the schools there still suck.... |
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On 5/24/2013 6:21 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 21:03:50 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 7:33 PM, Eisboch wrote: On 5/22/13 7:18 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. -------------------------------- I am not exactly sure what you are implying. It sounds like you are saying that your mom helped institute a policy that all but guarantees a HS diploma, regardless of academic achievement or qualification. Is that what you are saying? Wow, I think you are channeling loogie but I will spell it out for you. Schools can in fact teach the students without 40 plus hours of homework a semester. Our system has been doing that for over 50 years and our system is constantly among the highest rated educations in the state... I would believe that only if your students take three or four subjects, and have a lot of in-school time for homework. If your middle- and high school students are not given a few hours during the school day for homework, then I don't believe the students are doing as well as you say. I believe this - the way to learn math is to do math. Your 40+ hours of homework a semester amounts to less than a half-hour per day. Perhaps your school day goes from 7:30 AM to 6:00PM? Then I'd believe you. John H. Perhaps, you can't do math.... and either way, you can look up the results, you don't have to "believe" me.... |
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On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... |
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