On 12/17/12 8:52 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 17, 7:47 am, iBoaterer wrote:
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 21:39:01 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 15, 1:26 pm, jps wrote:

And just what does that tell you about the difference between our two
societies and American's ability to handle weapons responsibly?

Not much. Nothing is a 'weapon' until it's turned into one, regardless
of if it's a gun, knife, claw hammer, axe, box opener...

We are a nation of desperate people,

And why is that?

Think making guns real available is a good idea?

No. I obtained mine legally and maintain and use them in accordance
with State and Federal laws. If that's not suitable for you then by
all means get out of the dump and run for high office. Then do what
you can to change the law.

Every one of the weapons used in high casualty incidents were obtained
legally.

That's the problem, someone obtains them legally, then someone either
"borrows" them or steals them to commit crimes and kill innocent people
and children.

Yep!

"Every one of the weapons used in high casualty incidents were
obtained legally."

Then used by criminal[s] in a highly illegal manner.



I don't know what may happen because of the latest massacre.

I hope the following happens:

1. Long-term, strong efforts to amend the 2nd Amendment to the
Constitution to make it as "difficult" to obtain a firearm as it is to
obtain and register a motor vehicle: no purchases, sales or transfers
without a paper trail and a background check. Include absolute, defined
restrictions on certain types of weapons and ancillary products that
typically are not used for hunting, target shooting or home defense.
These would make it illegal to possess certain types of firearms and
ancillary equipment. Illegal to possess would mean these firearms would
have to be turned in and destroyed, and the owner would receive a fee
for the turn-in.

2. Short-term, an end to the gun show loophole, and no purchases, sales
or transfers of any firearms without a paper trail and background check.
No sales of firearms that can or can be modified to handle a magazine or
clip that holds more than 10 rounds. No sales of such magazines or
clips. Turn-ins of such magazines or clips. No purchases, transfers or
sales of firearms without a waiting period.

3. An immediate increase in the amount of funding available for
psychological screening and testing in all schools, and in the
availability of psychological counseling to all who need it, whether
they know it or not.

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On 12/17/12 8:52 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 17, 7:47 am, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...











On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 21:39:01 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 15, 1:26 pm, jps wrote:

And just what does that tell you about the difference between our two
societies and American's ability to handle weapons responsibly?

Not much. Nothing is a 'weapon' until it's turned into one, regardless
of if it's a gun, knife, claw hammer, axe, box opener...

We are a nation of desperate people,

And why is that?

Think making guns real available is a good idea?

No. I obtained mine legally and maintain and use them in accordance
with State and Federal laws. If that's not suitable for you then by
all means get out of the dump and run for high office. Then do what
you can to change the law.

Every one of the weapons used in high casualty incidents were obtained
legally.

That's the problem, someone obtains them legally, then someone either
"borrows" them or steals them to commit crimes and kill innocent people
and children.

Yep!

"Every one of the weapons used in high casualty incidents were
obtained legally."

Then used by criminal[s] in a highly illegal manner.



I don't know what may happen because of the latest massacre.

I hope the following happens:

1. Long-term, strong efforts to amend the 2nd Amendment to the
Constitution to make it as "difficult" to obtain a firearm as it is to
obtain and register a motor vehicle: no purchases, sales or transfers
without a paper trail and a background check. Include absolute, defined
restrictions on certain types of weapons and ancillary products that
typically are not used for hunting, target shooting or home defense.
These would make it illegal to possess certain types of firearms and
ancillary equipment. Illegal to possess would mean these firearms would
have to be turned in and destroyed, and the owner would receive a fee
for the turn-in.

2. Short-term, an end to the gun show loophole, and no purchases, sales
or transfers of any firearms without a paper trail and background check.
No sales of firearms that can or can be modified to handle a magazine or
clip that holds more than 10 rounds. No sales of such magazines or
clips. Turn-ins of such magazines or clips. No purchases, transfers or
sales of firearms without a waiting period.

3. An immediate increase in the amount of funding available for
psychological screening and testing in all schools, and in the
availability of psychological counseling to all who need it, whether
they know it or not.

One thing that would certainly help is to hold the legal gun owners
accountable if someone steals their guns. If you allow someone to steal
or "borrow" your gun, and it is used to commit a crime, you would be an
accessory to that crime and pay the consequences.

On Monday, December 17, 2012 12:00:57 PM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote:

One thing that would certainly help is to hold the legal gun owners
accountable if someone steals their guns. If you allow someone to steal
or "borrow" your gun, and it is used to commit a crime, you would be an
accessory to that crime and pay the consequences.

That's completely idiotic. No one "allows" their possessions to be stolen, a criminal has to steal them, and there is no way to absolutely prevent their theft. And, this is the classic liberal view of blaming others for something that a person does. Lack of personal responsibility, like not paying your taxes and debts.

I have a better idea... If a criminal commits a crime with a stolen gun, it's an automatic death penalty. Far less people behind bars than your idea, much less of a drain on society, and no repeat offenders!

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On 12/17/2012 7:43 AM, Eisboch wrote:

I am not attempting to trivialize or minimize the horrible events of
Friday or of the mass killings that have occurred in the past few years.
But statistics indicate that this is *not* a growing epidemic or upward
trend. There were unfortunately more that occurred in the 1980's and
1990's. We just didn't hear as much about them as we hear today.

Indeed.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=103186662

"angry about property taxes"

That may make Harry go nuts and do the same, he owes a lot in property
taxes and other debts and liens.

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On Monday, December 17, 2012 12:00:57 PM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote:

One thing that would certainly help is to hold the legal gun owners
accountable if someone steals their guns. If you allow someone to steal
or "borrow" your gun, and it is used to commit a crime, you would be an
accessory to that crime and pay the consequences.

That's completely idiotic. No one "allows" their possessions to be stolen, a criminal has to steal them, and there is no way to absolutely prevent their theft. And, this is the classic liberal view of blaming others for something that a person does. Lack of personal responsibility, like not paying your taxes and debts.

I have a better idea... If a criminal commits a crime with a stolen gun, it's an automatic death penalty. Far less people behind bars than your idea, much less of a drain on society, and no repeat offenders!

The weight is on the owner to make sure his guns don't get stolen.

On Monday, December 17, 2012 2:49:00 PM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote:
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says...



On Monday, December 17, 2012 12:00:57 PM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote:



One thing that would certainly help is to hold the legal gun owners

accountable if someone steals their guns. If you allow someone to steal

or "borrow" your gun, and it is used to commit a crime, you would be an

accessory to that crime and pay the consequences.



That's completely idiotic. No one "allows" their possessions to be stolen, a criminal has to steal them, and there is no way to absolutely prevent their theft. And, this is the classic liberal view of blaming others for something that a person does. Lack of personal responsibility, like not paying your taxes and debts.


I have a better idea... If a criminal commits a crime with a stolen gun, it's an automatic death penalty. Far less people behind bars than your idea, much less of a drain on society, and no repeat offenders!


The weight is on the owner to make sure his guns don't get stolen.

And the problem is... that's impossible. And it takes some of the responsibility off the criminal (who's now broken at least *two* laws), and puts it on the law-abiding gun owner.

On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:42:02 -0500, ESAD wrote:

the
availability of psychological counseling to all who need it, whether
they know it or not.

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Just on the off chance that you are "one who doesn't know it", you
should run right out to the nearest counseling center.

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On Monday, December 17, 2012 2:49:00 PM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,

says...



On Monday, December 17, 2012 12:00:57 PM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote:



One thing that would certainly help is to hold the legal gun owners

accountable if someone steals their guns. If you allow someone to steal

or "borrow" your gun, and it is used to commit a crime, you would be an

accessory to that crime and pay the consequences.



That's completely idiotic. No one "allows" their possessions to be stolen, a criminal has to steal them, and there is no way to absolutely prevent their theft. And, this is the classic liberal view of blaming others for something that a person does. Lack of personal responsibility, like not paying your taxes and debts.


I have a better idea... If a criminal commits a crime with a stolen gun, it's an automatic death penalty. Far less people behind bars than your idea, much less of a drain on society, and no repeat offenders!


The weight is on the owner to make sure his guns don't get stolen.

And the problem is... that's impossible. And it takes some of the responsibility off the criminal (who's now broken at least *two* laws), and puts it on the law-abiding gun owner.

No, I didn't say that the criminal gets off...

On 12/17/12 3:52 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:42:02 -0500, ESAD wrote:

the
availability of psychological counseling to all who need it, whether
they know it or not.

===

Just on the off chance that you are "one who doesn't know it", you
should run right out to the nearest counseling center.


**** off, w'hine. That's all you get.

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says...

On 12/17/12 3:52 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:42:02 -0500, ESAD wrote:

the
availability of psychological counseling to all who need it, whether
they know it or not.

===

Just on the off chance that you are "one who doesn't know it", you
should run right out to the nearest counseling center.


**** off, w'hine. That's all you get.

Pay your taxes, deadbeat. That's all you get.