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BAR[_2_] April 14th 12 02:03 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article om, 5@
5.com says...

On 4/13/2012 1:00 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/13/12 12:47 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 07:42:47 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:37:34 -0400, wrote:

On 4/12/2012 1:30 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/12/12 1:06 PM,
wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:07:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Whatever else is involved, there is no
disputing the fact that he shot and killed an unarmed teen-ager
who was
doing nothing more than walking through his neighborhood. The
event was
precipitated by Zimmerman.

I ask again, would you feel the same way if it was you who had
shot an
unarmed teenager (in your house, just to follow your other note).
In Maryland, the castle doctrine is not very inclusive.
Basically you need to jump out a window if you can to retreat.


A home invader is not the same as a kid walking down the street.

He's saying you would have to jump out the window and run. That
doesn't
square with your "blow their heads off" defense strategy. ;-)

We also have to remember Harry went to quite an effort to get a
Maryland carry permit, so he must think he was going to have to shoot
someone on the street. I wonder how badly he would have to be getting
beaten before he pulled his gat.

Harry does not have a Maryland Concealed Carry Permit. Harry may have a
Maryland Collectors Permit which allows him to purchase more than one
hand gun a month. A Maryland Collectors Permit does not allow one to
carry a concealed weapon/gun. Harry may have a Concealed Carry Permit
from another state but those are not recognized in Maryland at this
time.

Don't believe everything Harry says.


Maryland does have a concealed carry permit but they are very hard to
get and they get reviewed fairly frequently to insure that you still
have the "danger" that allowed you to get the permit in the first
place.

I do know a few licensed collectors up there, including machine guns
but that is a whole different thing.



It's easy to get a permit for an automatic weapon. I have no need or use
for one, but I have friends who own a couple.

As for the CCW permit, it is amazing what you can do with a good quality
liberal arts edu-ma-ca-shun.


So you do admit you lied/fabricated/ streched the truth, or what ever
you want to call it?


He will use hes "good quality liberal arts edu-ma-ca-shun" to redefine
the definition of possess.



BAR[_2_] April 14th 12 02:05 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article om, 5@
5.com says...

On 4/13/2012 4:47 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/13/2012 1:00 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:31:41 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...


The Zimmerman police call said Martin was walking slow and looking
INTO cars.

So you automatically believe everything Zimmerman says, regardless of
the audio of the phone call he was on to his girlfriend? Figures.

We only have 2 statements from what the girlfriend said, starting with
MARTIN initiating the confrontation and Zimmerman answering, then the
phone went dead.

We also have an indication that he stole things before. He was found
with a bag of womens jewelry and a burglary tool in school.

Was he charged with anything? Is this just hearsay? The "burglary tool"
in question was a screwdriver. It's a rough neighborhood where he went
to school, it could have been to defend himself. Funny thing, his
parents never heard about the alleged jewelry and "burglary tool"
screwdriver, just the graffiti.

The cops were still investigating when Martin was shot but cops do not
really investigate burglaries. That is why 99% are unsolved.

... and are you saying Martin brought a WEAPON into the school? That
is a felony right there.

Never heard or just aren't saying?

Oh and the pot, another felony. (any drugs within 1000' of a school,
zero tolerance, no lower limit)
This kid was dodging bullets, being a small time thug until he ran
into a bullet he couldn't dodge.
With the path he was on he was going to die face down in a pool of
blood, or go to jail. It was just a question of when


If this case gets to the point where they can rebut some statement
about what an angel Martin was I bet a lot more will come out about
his past. The defense certainly will have the chance to show any other
violence in Martin's past to reinforce the idea that he attacked
Zimmerman.

No marks on him, nothing.

No marks on Martin? The police report says Zimmerman was injured
(bleeding from the nose and back of the head)


I also don't buy this "child" thing.
After all Martin was less than a year away from being able to "join
the army, burn women, kids, houses and villages" (as Arlo would say)

And this has what to do with the case? Age has no meaning here.

It certainly makes the "child" thing less relevant. He was almost a
head taller than Zimmerman and at night, could have been pretty
fearsome. Particularly sitting on him banging his head on the ground.
That is the legal test, "fear"


Bout time somebody made a judgement based on the real evidence we have
available, and not the distorted and edited versions from MSNBC and the
other race baiters who got on to this case dishonestly...


Do you remember before Harry had a bunch of guns, he used to try to
intimidate folks by calling out his height 3 or 4 times a day. Heavy
boned fat guys like him shrink up fast once they reach their 60s. I'll
bet he's right around 6 foot now. With that Elmer Fudd hair do he must
be quite a site to behold.


He most likely has that creepy stalker starting just above the ear comb-
over.



BAR[_2_] April 14th 12 02:07 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article , lid says...

On 4/13/2012 12:32 PM,
wrote:

Zimmerman shouldn't have shot him, but because of the law he may just walk.


That much we can agree on.


The question is why did Florida charge him with 2nd degree murder
instead of something else? The standard for 2nd degree murder is much
hard to get a conviction on than 3rd degree or manslaughter.


BAR[_2_] April 14th 12 02:08 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article 2022102235356034752.831642evil-
, says...

wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:06:33 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/13/12 1:01 PM,
wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:33:12 -0400, wrote:


In what world.. Kids that look into cars, are looking for something to
take...

How do you know for a fact that he even was looking into cars? Oh,
right, you just automatically believe Zimmerman's side because FOX tells
you to.


I heard the police call, It is online dozens of places.


You mean, of course, that you heard what Zimmerman told the police,
right? That would be the same Zimmerman who beat his wife and got
arrested at a bar for interfering with a law enforcement officer who was
arresting a bar employee who served booze to minors? That Zimmerman, right?


He called the police over 40 times and never shot anyone. There was
something different here and it was the actions of Martin


Yeah, right. Sure. That must be it.


The proof is in the results.

BAR[_2_] April 14th 12 02:15 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article , lid says...

On 4/13/2012 10:12 AM,
wrote:

The police DISPATCHER (not a real officer) just said "we don't NEED
you to do that" which only says he was not being told he was being
asked to follow Martin, not that he couldn't.


I think this is biased interpretation. Granted the choice of words was
unfortunate but the intended meaning of the dispatcher was quite clear.
Don't follow.



The fact is that the dispatcher said what the dispatcher said. The
policy and procedure manual for the 911 operators will be reviewed and
analyzed.

Your interpretation is your interpretation and it is made with the
luxury of time and safety.

X ` Man[_3_] April 14th 12 02:31 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
On 4/14/12 9:03 AM, BAR wrote:
In raweb.com, 5@
5.com says...

On 4/13/2012 1:00 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/13/12 12:47 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 07:42:47 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:37:34 -0400, wrote:

On 4/12/2012 1:30 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/12/12 1:06 PM,
wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:07:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Whatever else is involved, there is no
disputing the fact that he shot and killed an unarmed teen-ager
who was
doing nothing more than walking through his neighborhood. The
event was
precipitated by Zimmerman.

I ask again, would you feel the same way if it was you who had
shot an
unarmed teenager (in your house, just to follow your other note).
In Maryland, the castle doctrine is not very inclusive.
Basically you need to jump out a window if you can to retreat.


A home invader is not the same as a kid walking down the street.

He's saying you would have to jump out the window and run. That
doesn't
square with your "blow their heads off" defense strategy. ;-)

We also have to remember Harry went to quite an effort to get a
Maryland carry permit, so he must think he was going to have to shoot
someone on the street. I wonder how badly he would have to be getting
beaten before he pulled his gat.

Harry does not have a Maryland Concealed Carry Permit. Harry may have a
Maryland Collectors Permit which allows him to purchase more than one
hand gun a month. A Maryland Collectors Permit does not allow one to
carry a concealed weapon/gun. Harry may have a Concealed Carry Permit
from another state but those are not recognized in Maryland at this
time.

Don't believe everything Harry says.


Maryland does have a concealed carry permit but they are very hard to
get and they get reviewed fairly frequently to insure that you still
have the "danger" that allowed you to get the permit in the first
place.

I do know a few licensed collectors up there, including machine guns
but that is a whole different thing.


It's easy to get a permit for an automatic weapon. I have no need or use
for one, but I have friends who own a couple.

As for the CCW permit, it is amazing what you can do with a good quality
liberal arts edu-ma-ca-shun.


So you do admit you lied/fabricated/ streched the truth, or what ever
you want to call it?


He will use hes "good quality liberal arts edu-ma-ca-shun" to redefine
the definition of possess.



Your sour grapes are showing again.

JustWait[_2_] April 14th 12 02:32 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
On 4/13/2012 10:42 PM, thumper wrote:
On 4/13/2012 10:12 AM, wrote:

The police DISPATCHER (not a real officer) just said "we don't NEED
you to do that" which only says he was not being told he was being
asked to follow Martin, not that he couldn't.


I think this is biased interpretation. Granted the choice of words was
unfortunate but the intended meaning of the dispatcher was quite clear.
Don't follow.


And as far as we all know, he didn't... he turned to go back to his car
and was jumped.

iBoaterer[_2_] April 14th 12 02:41 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article 32233332.156.1334345561594.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbth19, says...

On Friday, April 13, 2012 3:14:26 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 8305837.15.1334340223620.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbgj4,
says...

On Friday, April 13, 2012 1:06:33 PM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/13/12 1:01 PM,
wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:33:12 -0400, wrote:


In what world.. Kids that look into cars, are looking for something to
take...

How do you know for a fact that he even was looking into cars? Oh,
right, you just automatically believe Zimmerman's side because FOX tells
you to.


I heard the police call, It is online dozens of places.


You mean, of course, that you heard what Zimmerman told the police,
right? That would be the same Zimmerman who beat his wife and got
arrested at a bar for interfering with a law enforcement officer who was
arresting a bar employee who served booze to minors? That Zimmerman, right?

You mean what he told police about a 17 year old wanna-be gangbanger that was suspended from school for drugs and drug pipe, had possession of stolen jewelry and burgulary tools, was looking into cars evidently scouting for items to steal? That one?


Now, where did you get the wanna-be gangbanger nonsense? As for the
other ****, hearsay. Note once again, slowly, his school has a zero
tolerance rule in place. He was never, ever charged with anything. The
"burglary tool" you and FOX keep aluding to was a screwdriver.
Therefore, I'll bet YOU are in possesion of "burglary tools" and should
be shot to death?


You have proof he wasn't a gangbanger? Cite please. You may want to read his twitter posts and see some facebook stuff that is out there. Some was saved before it was taken down.

YOU are the one who said he was one. So, you show ME.

Other stuff is not hearsay, it is in evidence.

A screwdriver can't be used for a burglary tool? When in your possession with a bag of jewelry that "a friend gave" him, that's pretty suspect, right? Why would he have those items in his packpack?


What difference would it make if it WERE a burglary tool? Zimmerman knew
nothing about that.

If you really believe he was an innocent alter boy, I have a bridge you might like to buy. But surely you're just posing to be this gullible for argument's sake, right?


Where did I say he was an innocent altar boy? I can't find it. But that
still doesn't justify Zimmerman's actions.

Zimmerman shouldn't have shot him, but because of the law he may just

walk. Either way, you're playing the part of the court jester. It's
getting old.

What the hell are you blathering about? You on the other hand are hear
acting like the kid should have gotten killed because he got in a little
trouble at school. What about Zimmerman's past? You sure aren't holding
him in a bad light are you?

iBoaterer[_2_] April 14th 12 02:46 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article , says...

On 4/13/2012 1:00 PM,
wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:31:41 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...


The Zimmerman police call said Martin was walking slow and looking
INTO cars.

So you automatically believe everything Zimmerman says, regardless of
the audio of the phone call he was on to his girlfriend? Figures.


We only have 2 statements from what the girlfriend said, starting with
MARTIN initiating the confrontation and Zimmerman answering, then the
phone went dead.

We also have an indication that he stole things before. He was found
with a bag of womens jewelry and a burglary tool in school.

Was he charged with anything? Is this just hearsay? The "burglary tool"
in question was a screwdriver. It's a rough neighborhood where he went
to school, it could have been to defend himself. Funny thing, his
parents never heard about the alleged jewelry and "burglary tool"
screwdriver, just the graffiti.


The cops were still investigating when Martin was shot but cops do not
really investigate burglaries. That is why 99% are unsolved.

... and are you saying Martin brought a WEAPON into the school? That
is a felony right there.

Never heard or just aren't saying?

Oh and the pot, another felony. (any drugs within 1000' of a school,
zero tolerance, no lower limit)
This kid was dodging bullets, being a small time thug until he ran
into a bullet he couldn't dodge.
With the path he was on he was going to die face down in a pool of
blood, or go to jail. It was just a question of when


If this case gets to the point where they can rebut some statement
about what an angel Martin was I bet a lot more will come out about
his past. The defense certainly will have the chance to show any other
violence in Martin's past to reinforce the idea that he attacked
Zimmerman.

No marks on him, nothing.


No marks on Martin? The police report says Zimmerman was injured
(bleeding from the nose and back of the head)


I also don't buy this "child" thing.
After all Martin was less than a year away from being able to "join
the army, burn women, kids, houses and villages" (as Arlo would say)

And this has what to do with the case? Age has no meaning here.


It certainly makes the "child" thing less relevant. He was almost a
head taller than Zimmerman and at night, could have been pretty
fearsome. Particularly sitting on him banging his head on the ground.
That is the legal test, "fear"


Bout time somebody made a judgement based on the real evidence we have
available, and not the distorted and edited versions from MSNBC and the
other race baiters who got on to this case dishonestly...


Race baiters? YOU were the first one to bring up race. Oh, and you STILL
have not told me how Sharpton and Jackson stand to "profit" from this.
Cat got your tongue? And the victim's age makes no difference.

iBoaterer[_2_] April 14th 12 02:48 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article , says...

On 4/13/2012 10:42 PM, thumper wrote:
On 4/13/2012 10:12 AM,
wrote:

The police DISPATCHER (not a real officer) just said "we don't NEED
you to do that" which only says he was not being told he was being
asked to follow Martin, not that he couldn't.


I think this is biased interpretation. Granted the choice of words was
unfortunate but the intended meaning of the dispatcher was quite clear.
Don't follow.


And as far as we all know, he didn't... he turned to go back to his car
and was jumped.


How do you "know" that?


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