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[email protected] April 13th 12 06:42 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
On Friday, April 13, 2012 1:07:28 PM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/13/12 1:03 PM, wrote:
On Friday, April 13, 2012 10:37:48 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/13/12 10:29 AM,
wrote:
On Friday, April 13, 2012 9:17:29 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article26105108.852.1334279195650.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynjc2,
says...

On Thursday, April 12, 2012 5:51:02 PM UTC-4, JustWait wrote:
On 4/12/2012 5:01 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/12/12 4:17 PM,
wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:15:01 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/12/12 1:37 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 12/04/2012 11:30 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/12/12 1:06 PM,
wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:07:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Whatever else is involved, there is no
disputing the fact that he shot and killed an unarmed teen-ager
who was
doing nothing more than walking through his neighborhood. The
event was
precipitated by Zimmerman.

I ask again, would you feel the same way if it was you who had
shot an
unarmed teenager (in your house, just to follow your other note).
In Maryland, the castle doctrine is not very inclusive.
Basically you need to jump out a window if you can to retreat.


iBoaterer[_2_] April 13th 12 06:44 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article 8387947.350.1334336236776.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@yngq4, says...

On Friday, April 13, 2012 11:34:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 24820121.82.1334327347315.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynnf1,
says...

On Friday, April 13, 2012 9:17:29 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 26105108.852.1334279195650.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynjc2,
says...

On Thursday, April 12, 2012 5:51:02 PM UTC-4, JustWait wrote:
On 4/12/2012 5:01 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/12/12 4:17 PM,
wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:15:01 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/12/12 1:37 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 12/04/2012 11:30 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/12/12 1:06 PM,
wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:07:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Whatever else is involved, there is no
disputing the fact that he shot and killed an unarmed teen-ager
who was
doing nothing more than walking through his neighborhood. The
event was
precipitated by Zimmerman.

I ask again, would you feel the same way if it was you who had
shot an
unarmed teenager (in your house, just to follow your other note).
In Maryland, the castle doctrine is not very inclusive.
Basically you need to jump out a window if you can to retreat.


A home invader is not the same as a kid walking down the street.

Don't you mean casing the 'hood? When confronted, beat up a rent-a-cop?

Martin was walking to his father's place after buying candy and a soft
drink at a nearby convenience store. There's not the slightest evidence
he was "casing" anything. And Zimmerman wasn't a rent-a-cop.

Moron.

The Zimmerman police call said Martin was walking slow and looking
INTO cars.
We also have an indication that he stole things before. He was found
with a bag of womens jewelry and a burglary tool in school.

A. Teen-aged boys look into cars.

In what world.. Kids that look into cars, are looking for something to
take...

Exactly. Kids look AT cars, and only interesting ones. If he saw a Buick or Corolla, he wouldn't even glance. If he saw a sports car or ricer, he'd look at it. Walking slowly and looking into car windows is a pretty sure sign of being up to no good, no matter how some want to spin it.

Damned kids needs to be killed eh?

Cite?


You haven't heard? In Florida there is this case right now where a
vigilante, George Zimmerman,


Of course I've heard. But how does my statement translate into me thinking that a kid doing that needs to be shot? That would be quite a leap of (il)logic.

Try to follow closely... kids look AT cars they are interested in. They look indescrimately into car windows in general because they are interested in what may be IN them.

Now try to understand in your tiny brain, Kevin, that I don't think that Zimmerman should have shot him. However, I also understand that none of us in this NG have all the facts in this case, no matter what Sharpton and the MSM have told you to think.

Cya...


Well, I see you've turned stupid enough to believe that "Kevin" ****
too! Good for you! You're in great company with Don.

iBoaterer[_2_] April 13th 12 06:45 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article 28125285.407.1334336600684.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@yneo2, says...

On Friday, April 13, 2012 10:37:48 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/13/12 10:29 AM,
wrote:
On Friday, April 13, 2012 9:17:29 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article26105108.852.1334279195650.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynjc2,
says...

On Thursday, April 12, 2012 5:51:02 PM UTC-4, JustWait wrote:
On 4/12/2012 5:01 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/12/12 4:17 PM,
wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:15:01 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/12/12 1:37 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 12/04/2012 11:30 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/12/12 1:06 PM,
wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:07:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Whatever else is involved, there is no
disputing the fact that he shot and killed an unarmed teen-ager
who was
doing nothing more than walking through his neighborhood. The
event was
precipitated by Zimmerman.

I ask again, would you feel the same way if it was you who had
shot an
unarmed teenager (in your house, just to follow your other note).
In Maryland, the castle doctrine is not very inclusive.
Basically you need to jump out a window if you can to retreat.


A home invader is not the same as a kid walking down the street.

Don't you mean casing the 'hood? When confronted, beat up a rent-a-cop?

Martin was walking to his father's place after buying candy and a soft
drink at a nearby convenience store. There's not the slightest evidence
he was "casing" anything. And Zimmerman wasn't a rent-a-cop.

Moron.

The Zimmerman police call said Martin was walking slow and looking
INTO cars.
We also have an indication that he stole things before. He was found
with a bag of womens jewelry and a burglary tool in school.

A. Teen-aged boys look into cars.

In what world.. Kids that look into cars, are looking for something to
take...

Exactly. Kids look AT cars, and only interesting ones. If he saw a Buick or Corolla, he wouldn't even glance. If he saw a sports car or ricer, he'd look at it. Walking slowly and looking into car windows is a pretty sure sign of being up to no good, no matter how some want to spin it.

Damned kids needs to be killed eh?

Cite?



I think he is citing what you are implying, dumfoch.


Let me help you out, harold. To "cite" is to quote someone or something. Since I neither wrote or implied his statement he can't cite it, and you've improperly used the word "cite". Hope that helps, english major.


Oh, but you DID imply.

iBoaterer[_2_] April 13th 12 06:51 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:31:41 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...



The Zimmerman police call said Martin was walking slow and looking
INTO cars.


So you automatically believe everything Zimmerman says, regardless of
the audio of the phone call he was on to his girlfriend? Figures.


We only have 2 statements from what the girlfriend said, starting with
MARTIN initiating the confrontation and Zimmerman answering, then the
phone went dead.

We also have an indication that he stole things before. He was found
with a bag of womens jewelry and a burglary tool in school.


Was he charged with anything? Is this just hearsay? The "burglary tool"
in question was a screwdriver. It's a rough neighborhood where he went
to school, it could have been to defend himself. Funny thing, his
parents never heard about the alleged jewelry and "burglary tool"
screwdriver, just the graffiti.


The cops were still investigating when Martin was shot but cops do not
really investigate burglaries. That is why 99% are unsolved.

... and are you saying Martin brought a WEAPON into the school? That
is a felony right there.


So he should have been killed?

Never heard or just aren't saying?


"Never heard". He was never charged and the school has "zero tolerance"
rules. So......

Oh and the pot, another felony. (any drugs within 1000' of a school,
zero tolerance, no lower limit)
This kid was dodging bullets, being a small time thug until he ran
into a bullet he couldn't dodge.
With the path he was on he was going to die face down in a pool of
blood, or go to jail. It was just a question of when


So, Zimmerman was all right in killing him? The school has a zero
tolerance policy and he was never charged, therefore I doubt there is
anything to these FOX allegations.


If this case gets to the point where they can rebut some statement
about what an angel Martin was I bet a lot more will come out about
his past. The defense certainly will have the chance to show any other
violence in Martin's past to reinforce the idea that he attacked
Zimmerman.


No marks on him, nothing.


No marks on Martin? The police report says Zimmerman was injured
(bleeding from the nose and back of the head)


Did you not see the video? And if anyone, even a criminal is injured,
it's standard procedure that they are taken to a hospital to get medical
care.


I also don't buy this "child" thing.
After all Martin was less than a year away from being able to "join
the army, burn women, kids, houses and villages" (as Arlo would say)


And this has what to do with the case? Age has no meaning here.


It certainly makes the "child" thing less relevant. He was almost a
head taller than Zimmerman and at night, could have been pretty
fearsome. Particularly sitting on him banging his head on the ground.
That is the legal test, "fear"


Well, then that settles it. A man can pursue a person, regardless of
whether the cops tell him that's not a good idea or not, then when that
person, in fear tries to walk away (fast, as the phone conversation
went) and that man can kill the other guy. Got it.



X ` Man[_3_] April 13th 12 06:52 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
On 4/13/12 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:29:56 -0400, wrote:


Zimmerman was a hot headed vigilante that was so crazed that 911
dispatchers often ignored him. Oh, and on Zimmerman's own website there
is nothing about looking into cars. He says the kid was walking around
looking at the houses.

From the prosecution affidavit:

"During this time, Martin was on the phone with a friend and described
to her what was happening," the affidavit said. "The witness advised
that Martin was scared because he was being followed through the complex
by an unknown male and didn't know why.

And:

"When the police dispatcher realized Zimmerman was pursuing Martin, he
instructed Zimmerman not to do that and that the responding officer
would meet him. Zimmerman disregarded the police dispatcher and
continued to follow Martin who was trying to return to his home."

And then this:

"Zimmerman confronted Martin and a struggle ensued," prosecutors said in
their account.

So, if Zimmerman did persue and initiate contact, the stand your ground
rule won't work.


Corey was just trying to get an arrest to soothe the mob. She has no
real basis for those statements. It is just her case, let's see what
the defense says.
The only credible witness is the defendant. Nobody else has stepped up
so far to say they saw the start of the fight. The only witness who
says Zimmerman was on top did not even look out her window until after
Martin was shot. We don't really have a clue about the fight except
that Zimmerman was the only one with injuries before the gunshot.

BTW there is nothing in the SYG statute that addresses who started it
and following a stranger on private property is not illegal.






"The only *credible* witness is the defendant." Now, that is funny. A
known wife-beater and assaulter of police, armed with an attitude and a
handgun.

iBoaterer[_2_] April 13th 12 06:52 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:33:12 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:


In what world.. Kids that look into cars, are looking for something to
take...

How do you know for a fact that he even was looking into cars? Oh,
right, you just automatically believe Zimmerman's side because FOX tells
you to.


I heard the police call, It is online dozens of places.


OH, so you automatically believe Zimmerman, eh?

[email protected] April 13th 12 07:03 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
On Friday, April 13, 2012 1:06:33 PM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/13/12 1:01 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:33:12 -0400, wrote:


In what world.. Kids that look into cars, are looking for something to
take...

How do you know for a fact that he even was looking into cars? Oh,
right, you just automatically believe Zimmerman's side because FOX tells
you to.


I heard the police call, It is online dozens of places.



You mean, of course, that you heard what Zimmerman told the police,
right? That would be the same Zimmerman who beat his wife and got
arrested at a bar for interfering with a law enforcement officer who was
arresting a bar employee who served booze to minors? That Zimmerman, right?


You mean what he told police about a 17 year old wanna-be gangbanger that was suspended from school for drugs and drug pipe, had possession of stolen jewelry and burgulary tools, was looking into cars evidently scouting for items to steal? That one?

X ` Man[_3_] April 13th 12 07:10 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
On 4/13/12 2:03 PM, wrote:
On Friday, April 13, 2012 1:06:33 PM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/13/12 1:01 PM,
wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:33:12 -0400, wrote:


In what world.. Kids that look into cars, are looking for something to
take...

How do you know for a fact that he even was looking into cars? Oh,
right, you just automatically believe Zimmerman's side because FOX tells
you to.


I heard the police call, It is online dozens of places.



You mean, of course, that you heard what Zimmerman told the police,
right? That would be the same Zimmerman who beat his wife and got
arrested at a bar for interfering with a law enforcement officer who was
arresting a bar employee who served booze to minors? That Zimmerman, right?


You mean what he told police about a 17 year old wanna-be gangbanger that was suspended from school for drugs and drug pipe, had possession of stolen jewelry and burgulary tools, was looking into cars evidently scouting for items to steal? That one?


Zimmerman is the one with the arrest record, Mr. Klansman.

Oscar April 13th 12 07:34 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
On 4/13/2012 1:00 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/13/12 12:47 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 07:42:47 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:37:34 -0400, wrote:

On 4/12/2012 1:30 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/12/12 1:06 PM,
wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:07:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Whatever else is involved, there is no
disputing the fact that he shot and killed an unarmed teen-ager
who was
doing nothing more than walking through his neighborhood. The
event was
precipitated by Zimmerman.

I ask again, would you feel the same way if it was you who had
shot an
unarmed teenager (in your house, just to follow your other note).
In Maryland, the castle doctrine is not very inclusive.
Basically you need to jump out a window if you can to retreat.


A home invader is not the same as a kid walking down the street.

He's saying you would have to jump out the window and run. That
doesn't
square with your "blow their heads off" defense strategy. ;-)

We also have to remember Harry went to quite an effort to get a
Maryland carry permit, so he must think he was going to have to shoot
someone on the street. I wonder how badly he would have to be getting
beaten before he pulled his gat.

Harry does not have a Maryland Concealed Carry Permit. Harry may have a
Maryland Collectors Permit which allows him to purchase more than one
hand gun a month. A Maryland Collectors Permit does not allow one to
carry a concealed weapon/gun. Harry may have a Concealed Carry Permit
from another state but those are not recognized in Maryland at this
time.

Don't believe everything Harry says.


Maryland does have a concealed carry permit but they are very hard to
get and they get reviewed fairly frequently to insure that you still
have the "danger" that allowed you to get the permit in the first
place.

I do know a few licensed collectors up there, including machine guns
but that is a whole different thing.



It's easy to get a permit for an automatic weapon. I have no need or use
for one, but I have friends who own a couple.

As for the CCW permit, it is amazing what you can do with a good quality
liberal arts edu-ma-ca-shun.


So you do admit you lied/fabricated/ streched the truth, or what ever
you want to call it?

X ` Man April 13th 12 07:35 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
On 4/13/12 2:16 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:00:29 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/13/12 12:47 PM,
wrote:

I do know a few licensed collectors up there, including machine guns
but that is a whole different thing.



It's easy to get a permit for an automatic weapon. I have no need or use
for one, but I have friends who own a couple.


From what I understand Md CLEOs stopped signing BATF form 4s, 20 years
ago.


Maybe. Never interested enough in one to find out.


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