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On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:43:01 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

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says...

Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke.

Where is the proof that people die from second hand smoke.

http://tinyurl.com/6t3p65o

The Effects of Secondhand Smoke on Adults

There is a lot of conjecture out there but they never put any real
numbers on it. Virtually every other pollutant has OSHA established
threshold limit values but cigarette smoke is seen to have a level of
zero. Are they really trying to say cigarette smoke is more dangerous
than all of the other chemicals that OSHA regulates?
The issue is simply that non smokers or "quit" smokers are offended if
they even SEE someone smoking. It is just about the only class of
people who can be discriminated against with impunity.

If you are simply using the health care cost issue, obesity is a far
bigger problem..

Someone else being obese doesn't harm YOUR health. Being around a smoker
does. I'm not offended by someone smoking, I just don't want mine or my
children's health compromised.


http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/healtheffects.html

http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerC...condhand-smoke

On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:25:08 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

I'm not offended by someone smoking

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I am.

As a reformed 3 pack a day guy, I find the smell highly offensive.

One of my former colleagues lost his wife to lung cancer when she was
in her 50s, never having smoked a day in her life. She had spent a
lot of time in offices with a lot of smokers around her however.

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:25:08 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

I'm not offended by someone smoking

===

I am.

As a reformed 3 pack a day guy, I find the smell highly offensive.

One of my former colleagues lost his wife to lung cancer when she was
in her 50s, never having smoked a day in her life. She had spent a
lot of time in offices with a lot of smokers around her however.

My father in-law died of lung cancer. It was from hexavalent(sp?)
chromium. Inhaling one molecule can cause lung cancer.

My mother developed Non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. There were 4 people on the
street I grew up on who developed it and 3 died from it. My mother has
survived 15 years. Was it exposure to agent orange? Was it exposure to
other chemical weapons from living on military bases all of her life or
was it some other environmental cause. Why did the other three people on
the street develop the same cancer within a 15 year span of time?

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:25:08 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

I'm not offended by someone smoking

===

I am.

As a reformed 3 pack a day guy, I find the smell highly offensive.

One of my former colleagues lost his wife to lung cancer when she was
in her 50s, never having smoked a day in her life. She had spent a
lot of time in offices with a lot of smokers around her however.

While I can't stand the nasty smell anymore, I don't care who smokes, as
long as they keep it away from me and my loved ones. THAT in my eyes is
the problem. Go ahead and kill yourself with smoke, that's fine. But
when you are affecting others with second hand smoke, that's not fine.
And then to have the attitude that if you want to harm innocent people
with second hand smoke you should have that choice is awful.

In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:43:01 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke.

Where is the proof that people die from second hand smoke.

http://tinyurl.com/6t3p65o

The Effects of Secondhand Smoke on Adults

There is a lot of conjecture out there but they never put any real
numbers on it. Virtually every other pollutant has OSHA established
threshold limit values but cigarette smoke is seen to have a level of
zero. Are they really trying to say cigarette smoke is more dangerous
than all of the other chemicals that OSHA regulates?
The issue is simply that non smokers or "quit" smokers are offended if
they even SEE someone smoking. It is just about the only class of
people who can be discriminated against with impunity.

If you are simply using the health care cost issue, obesity is a far
bigger problem..

Someone else being obese doesn't harm YOUR health. Being around a smoker
does. I'm not offended by someone smoking, I just don't want mine or my
children's health compromised.


http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/healtheffects.html

http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerC...condhand-smoke

Do you have independent peer reviewed studies that prove that 2nd hand
smoke from cigarettes kills people?

On 2/24/2012 11:40 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

In ,
says...

On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:43:01 -0500, wrote:

In ,
says...

Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke.

Where is the proof that people die from second hand smoke.

http://tinyurl.com/6t3p65o

The Effects of Secondhand Smoke on Adults

There is a lot of conjecture out there but they never put any real
numbers on it. Virtually every other pollutant has OSHA established
threshold limit values but cigarette smoke is seen to have a level of
zero. Are they really trying to say cigarette smoke is more dangerous
than all of the other chemicals that OSHA regulates?
The issue is simply that non smokers or "quit" smokers are offended if
they even SEE someone smoking. It is just about the only class of
people who can be discriminated against with impunity.

If you are simply using the health care cost issue, obesity is a far
bigger problem..

Someone else being obese doesn't harm YOUR health. Being around a smoker
does. I'm not offended by someone smoking, I just don't want mine or my
children's health compromised.


http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/healtheffects.html

http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerC...condhand-smoke

Do you have independent peer reviewed studies that prove that 2nd hand
smoke from cigarettes kills people?



.... and who says obese people don't effect others. I bet there is more
generation to generation obesity passed on, then generation to
generation cigarette smokers. And quite frankly, I have been in cars
with morbidly obese people who really couldn't maneuver enough in the
drivers area (and this was a Lincoln Towncar) to be safe on the road...
Either way, the phrase above again, is based on feelings, not facts...

In article , says...

On 2/24/2012 11:40 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

In ,
says...

On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:43:01 -0500, wrote:

In ,
says...

Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke.

Where is the proof that people die from second hand smoke.

http://tinyurl.com/6t3p65o

The Effects of Secondhand Smoke on Adults

There is a lot of conjecture out there but they never put any real
numbers on it. Virtually every other pollutant has OSHA established
threshold limit values but cigarette smoke is seen to have a level of
zero. Are they really trying to say cigarette smoke is more dangerous
than all of the other chemicals that OSHA regulates?
The issue is simply that non smokers or "quit" smokers are offended if
they even SEE someone smoking. It is just about the only class of
people who can be discriminated against with impunity.

If you are simply using the health care cost issue, obesity is a far
bigger problem..

Someone else being obese doesn't harm YOUR health. Being around a smoker
does. I'm not offended by someone smoking, I just don't want mine or my
children's health compromised.


http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/healtheffects.html

http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerC...condhand-smoke

Do you have independent peer reviewed studies that prove that 2nd hand
smoke from cigarettes kills people?



... and who says obese people don't effect others. I bet there is more
generation to generation obesity passed on, then generation to
generation cigarette smokers. And quite frankly, I have been in cars
with morbidly obese people who really couldn't maneuver enough in the
drivers area (and this was a Lincoln Towncar) to be safe on the road...
Either way, the phrase above again, is based on feelings, not facts...

Yes, we get it, killing yourself and your loved ones, let alone other
innocent people, slowly by smoking is cool, and a great thing to do.

In article , says...

On 2/24/2012 11:40 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

In ,
says...

On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:43:01 -0500, wrote:

In ,
says...

Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke.

Where is the proof that people die from second hand smoke.

http://tinyurl.com/6t3p65o

The Effects of Secondhand Smoke on Adults

There is a lot of conjecture out there but they never put any real
numbers on it. Virtually every other pollutant has OSHA established
threshold limit values but cigarette smoke is seen to have a level of
zero. Are they really trying to say cigarette smoke is more dangerous
than all of the other chemicals that OSHA regulates?
The issue is simply that non smokers or "quit" smokers are offended if
they even SEE someone smoking. It is just about the only class of
people who can be discriminated against with impunity.

If you are simply using the health care cost issue, obesity is a far
bigger problem..

Someone else being obese doesn't harm YOUR health. Being around a smoker
does. I'm not offended by someone smoking, I just don't want mine or my
children's health compromised.


http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/healtheffects.html

http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerC...condhand-smoke

Do you have independent peer reviewed studies that prove that 2nd hand
smoke from cigarettes kills people?



... and who says obese people don't effect others. I bet there is more
generation to generation obesity passed on, then generation to
generation cigarette smokers. And quite frankly, I have been in cars
with morbidly obese people who really couldn't maneuver enough in the
drivers area (and this was a Lincoln Towncar) to be safe on the road...
Either way, the phrase above again, is based on feelings, not facts...

Genetics has a lot to do with how people look. How big their head is,
how big their ass is, how big their belly is, what length their torso
is, how big their nose is, how big their ears are.

I don't think enough is known about the genetics of obesity or
addiction.

On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:37:24 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

On 2/24/2012 11:40 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

In ,
says...

On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:43:01 -0500, wrote:

In ,
says...

Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke.

Where is the proof that people die from second hand smoke.

http://tinyurl.com/6t3p65o

The Effects of Secondhand Smoke on Adults

There is a lot of conjecture out there but they never put any real
numbers on it. Virtually every other pollutant has OSHA established
threshold limit values but cigarette smoke is seen to have a level of
zero. Are they really trying to say cigarette smoke is more dangerous
than all of the other chemicals that OSHA regulates?
The issue is simply that non smokers or "quit" smokers are offended if
they even SEE someone smoking. It is just about the only class of
people who can be discriminated against with impunity.

If you are simply using the health care cost issue, obesity is a far
bigger problem..

Someone else being obese doesn't harm YOUR health. Being around a smoker
does. I'm not offended by someone smoking, I just don't want mine or my
children's health compromised.


http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/healtheffects.html

http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerC...condhand-smoke

Do you have independent peer reviewed studies that prove that 2nd hand
smoke from cigarettes kills people?



... and who says obese people don't effect others. I bet there is more
generation to generation obesity passed on, then generation to
generation cigarette smokers. And quite frankly, I have been in cars
with morbidly obese people who really couldn't maneuver enough in the
drivers area (and this was a Lincoln Towncar) to be safe on the road...
Either way, the phrase above again, is based on feelings, not facts...

Genetics has a lot to do with how people look. How big their head is,
how big their ass is, how big their belly is, what length their torso
is, how big their nose is, how big their ears are.

I don't think enough is known about the genetics of obesity or
addiction.

There is enough known about obesity to say exercise and fewer calories can have a big effect
thereon! Addiction is a bitch, but it's highly susceptive to will power - with help as needed.
Without the will power, no amount of help will work.

On 2/25/2012 9:37 AM, BAR wrote:
In , says...

On 2/24/2012 11:40 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

In ,
says...

On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:43:01 -0500, wrote:

In ,
says...

Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke.

Where is the proof that people die from second hand smoke.

http://tinyurl.com/6t3p65o

The Effects of Secondhand Smoke on Adults

There is a lot of conjecture out there but they never put any real
numbers on it. Virtually every other pollutant has OSHA established
threshold limit values but cigarette smoke is seen to have a level of
zero. Are they really trying to say cigarette smoke is more dangerous
than all of the other chemicals that OSHA regulates?
The issue is simply that non smokers or "quit" smokers are offended if
they even SEE someone smoking. It is just about the only class of
people who can be discriminated against with impunity.

If you are simply using the health care cost issue, obesity is a far
bigger problem..

Someone else being obese doesn't harm YOUR health. Being around a smoker
does. I'm not offended by someone smoking, I just don't want mine or my
children's health compromised.


http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/healtheffects.html

http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerC...condhand-smoke

Do you have independent peer reviewed studies that prove that 2nd hand
smoke from cigarettes kills people?



... and who says obese people don't effect others. I bet there is more
generation to generation obesity passed on, then generation to
generation cigarette smokers. And quite frankly, I have been in cars
with morbidly obese people who really couldn't maneuver enough in the
drivers area (and this was a Lincoln Towncar) to be safe on the road...
Either way, the phrase above again, is based on feelings, not facts...

Genetics has a lot to do with how people look. How big their head is,
how big their ass is, how big their belly is, what length their torso
is, how big their nose is, how big their ears are.

I don't think enough is known about the genetics of obesity or
addiction.


It's not like we need a panel or a study you know...