On Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:59:57 GMT, "Haywood Jablomie"
wrote:


On 2-Dec-2011, jps wrote:

Why do people that spend their lives drinking beer and watching "Dancing
for
Dollars" resent those that worked 100 hours a week and achieved?

I never watch dancing shows nor any of that other trash. My company
is 20 years old and I've had to work my ass off to keep it afloat
during hard times. But that work has paid off and we're lucky to have
multinational brands rely on our software to help run their mission

India will buy your company within 12 months for a nickle on the dollar.
Unless that allegation is delusional also.

this from the same guy who said the US economy is so weak that
everyone is rushing to buy our debt

or whatever he believes; he hasnt made a coherent argument yet

On 02/12/2011 2:50 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:59:57 GMT, "Haywood Jablomie"
wrote:


On 2-Dec-2011, wrote:

Why do people that spend their lives drinking beer and watching "Dancing
for
Dollars" resent those that worked 100 hours a week and achieved?

I never watch dancing shows nor any of that other trash. My company
is 20 years old and I've had to work my ass off to keep it afloat
during hard times. But that work has paid off and we're lucky to have
multinational brands rely on our software to help run their mission

India will buy your company within 12 months for a nickle on the dollar.
Unless that allegation is delusional also.

this from the same guy who said the US economy is so weak that
everyone is rushing to buy our debt

or whatever he believes; he hasnt made a coherent argument yet

Big myth, people buying the debt. US Fed is fraud printing it. People
stopped buying US Treasury debt a long time ago when rates went fraud
low. Only stupid people buy US Treasuries.

How it really works the US Treasury issues bonds. But no one really
buys them. So Bernanke announces Quantitative Easing (electronic
counterfeit run) and lends to Goldman Sachs or other preferred fraud
intermediate company of corrupt at zero interest. Then they use the
money via fractional banking to buy the glut of US Treasuries that yield
1% or so. Boils down to Goldman Sacks gets a zero risk 1% royalty and
invested zero of their own money.

They even do the above fraud between countries.

And the ruse that US Treasuries are actually solvent paper.

What you get is more debt for the kids and grand kids, a government you
can't afford and inflation with devalued money and devalued incomes.

Big fat US DC government, corrupt Goldman Sachs and US war machine pigs
wins. The people lose. And all 0bama-Bernanke supported fraud.

One of these days the value of a USD is going to plummet fast.

--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.

On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 17:35:54 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 02/12/2011 2:50 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:59:57 GMT, "Haywood Jablomie"
wrote:


this from the same guy who said the US economy is so weak that
everyone is rushing to buy our debt

or whatever he believes; he hasnt made a coherent argument yet

Big myth, people buying the debt. US Fed is fraud printing it.

hey genius. if people didnt want US debt we'd be giving interest rates
like italy and spain are paying

but that's ECONOMICS...and canuck, the racist slug, can't understand
it

People
stopped buying US Treasury debt a long time ago when rates went fraud
low. Only stupid people buy US Treasuries.

gee. then i guess the entire world is stupid 'cuz they entire world is
buying US debt vs the euro

christ he's stupid.

even for a conservative. if there was a nobel prize for stupidity....

On 02/12/2011 5:52 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 17:35:54 -0700,
wrote:

On 02/12/2011 2:50 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:59:57 GMT, "Haywood Jablomie"
wrote:


this from the same guy who said the US economy is so weak that
everyone is rushing to buy our debt

or whatever he believes; he hasnt made a coherent argument yet

Big myth, people buying the debt. US Fed is fraud printing it.

hey genius. if people didnt want US debt we'd be giving interest rates
like italy and spain are paying

You are drummer than nails. Italy and Spain can't just
print/electronically counterfeit money like the USA can. So they have
to put on the brakes on spending and borrow real money at real rates.

USA Bernanke US Fed just prints it. Trouble is it causes some mix of
unemployment and inflation.

USA hasn't borrow a significant mount of real money since late 2006. US
Fed indirectly or directly owns the majority of US Treasury debt. And
when debt comes due from real lenders, the lenders take their money and
run, Bernanke just prints money for the next QE counterfeit run.

China isn't increasing its holding in US debt, in fact it has been
decreasing it. As has Japan.

The result is the USD will depreciate fast, as currecny is like stock in
the economy. Print twice as much, each share has half the value
(inflation).

gee. then i guess the entire world is stupid 'cuz they entire world is
buying US debt vs the euro

No one is buying US debt. US Fed buys it indirectly with electronic
counterfeit in the ruse.

Just because people take money out of Euro and into USDs doesn't mean it
is in US Treasuries.

You are too retarded to understand real economics.
--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.

On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 18:53:07 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 02/12/2011 5:52 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 17:35:54 -0700,
wrote:

On 02/12/2011 2:50 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:59:57 GMT, "Haywood Jablomie"
wrote:


this from the same guy who said the US economy is so weak that
everyone is rushing to buy our debt

or whatever he believes; he hasnt made a coherent argument yet

Big myth, people buying the debt. US Fed is fraud printing it.

hey genius. if people didnt want US debt we'd be giving interest rates
like italy and spain are paying

You are drummer than nails.

nah if that were the case i'd be conservative

Italy and Spain can't just
print/electronically counterfeit money like the USA can.

BBBZZZZTTTT!!!

WRONG!!! but thanks for playing. ever hear of the european central
bank which can do EXACTLY that??

oh. you DIDNTknow that

why am i not surprised?


So they have
to put on the brakes on spending and borrow real money at real rates.

uh no they dont. and, in fact, they cant. because if they DID their
economies would implode. italy's debt is manageable at 3%. at 7% it's
impossible for them to manage their debt

oh. you didnt know that


USA Bernanke US Fed just prints it. Trouble is it causes some mix of
unemployment and inflation.

HAHAHAHAHA

guess he hasnt looked at unemployment lately!!

and inflation?? he's fighting events from 30 years ago. typical right
winger. always looking in the rear view mirror

The result is the USD will depreciate fast, as currecny is like stock in
the economy. Print twice as much, each share has half the value
(inflation).

tell you what, let me know when they buy euros!

HAHAHAHAHA


gee. then i guess the entire world is stupid 'cuz they entire world is
buying US debt vs the euro

No one is buying US debt. US Fed buys it indirectly with electronic
counterfeit in the ruse.

uh huh. let's see...2 banks

bank A and bank B (for you conservatives, B comes after A)

bank A sells bonds at 6%

bankB sells them at 1%

everyone buys bank B's bills

why? because they're MORE SECURE. and that's EXACTLY what's happening
now

oh. you didnt know that


Just because people take money out of Euro and into USDs doesn't mean it
is in US Treasuries.

You are too retarded to understand real economics.

says the guy who gets his economics from the readers digest while
taking a dump

On 2-Dec-2011, bpuharic wrote:

or whatever he believes; he hasnt made a coherent argument yet

Big myth, people buying the debt. US Fed is fraud printing it.

hey genius. if people didnt want US debt we'd be giving interest rates
like italy and spain are paying

Try to grasp risk, and supply and demand. The U.S. pays higher interest
rates because your debt is risky - that makes demand low, or, you need to
pay a higher interest to sell it....well, the fact is, YOU pay the higher
interest, not the scumbags that took you down the hill.

You never should have skipped 4th grade economics.

On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 02:01:09 GMT, "Haywood Jablomie"
wrote:


On 2-Dec-2011, bpuharic wrote:

or whatever he believes; he hasnt made a coherent argument yet

Big myth, people buying the debt. US Fed is fraud printing it.

hey genius. if people didnt want US debt we'd be giving interest rates
like italy and spain are paying

Try to grasp risk, and supply and demand. The U.S. pays higher interest
rates because your debt is risky - that makes demand low, or, you need to
pay a higher interest to sell it....well, the fact is, YOU pay the higher
interest, not the scumbags that took you down the hill.

You never should have skipped 4th grade economics.

??

let's see...the US pays ONE percent

italy pays FIVE percent

and to right wingers that proves ONE is more than FIVE!!!

HAHAHA conservatives cant even COUNT and they're lecturing about
ECONOMICS!!!

our RATES ARE LOW PRECISELY BECAUSE DEMAND IS HIGH!!

DUH!!!

christ. what the **** happened to conservatives who dont even know how
to count to FIVE???

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 02:01:09 GMT, "Haywood Jablomie"
wrote:


On 2-Dec-2011, bpuharic wrote:

or whatever he believes; he hasnt made a coherent argument yet

Big myth, people buying the debt. US Fed is fraud printing it.

hey genius. if people didnt want US debt we'd be giving interest rates
like italy and spain are paying

Try to grasp risk, and supply and demand. The U.S. pays higher interest
rates because your debt is risky - that makes demand low, or, you need to
pay a higher interest to sell it....well, the fact is, YOU pay the higher
interest, not the scumbags that took you down the hill.

You never should have skipped 4th grade economics.

??

let's see...the US pays ONE percent

italy pays FIVE percent

and to right wingers that proves ONE is more than FIVE!!!

HAHAHA conservatives cant even COUNT and they're lecturing about
ECONOMICS!!!

our RATES ARE LOW PRECISELY BECAUSE DEMAND IS HIGH!!

DUH!!!

christ. what the **** happened to conservatives who dont even know how
to count to FIVE???


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We are paying 1% to banks we loaned money to for 0% to buy the debt. We are
paying the extra in inflationary cost. The inflation cost is probably in
the 6% or better range, so we are actually paying 7% for that money.

On Fri, 2 Dec 2011 20:48:10 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .

On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 02:01:09 GMT, "Haywood Jablomie"
wrote:


??

let's see...the US pays ONE percent

italy pays FIVE percent

and to right wingers that proves ONE is more than FIVE!!!

HAHAHA conservatives cant even COUNT and they're lecturing about
ECONOMICS!!!

our RATES ARE LOW PRECISELY BECAUSE DEMAND IS HIGH!!

DUH!!!

christ. what the **** happened to conservatives who dont even know how
to count to FIVE???


---------------------------------------------------------

We are paying 1% to banks we loaned money to for 0% to buy the debt. We are
paying the extra in inflationary cost. The inflation cost is probably in
the 6% or better range, so we are actually paying 7% for that money.


dontcha love the right wing...

inflationary cost??

uh inflation's running about 2%

but to the right wing, 5% is less than 1% and 2% is 6%

and they want to run this country....

On 02/12/2011 7:11 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 02:01:09 GMT, "Haywood Jablomie"
wrote:


On 2-Dec-2011, wrote:

or whatever he believes; he hasnt made a coherent argument yet

Big myth, people buying the debt. US Fed is fraud printing it.

hey genius. if people didnt want US debt we'd be giving interest rates
like italy and spain are paying

Try to grasp risk, and supply and demand. The U.S. pays higher interest
rates because your debt is risky - that makes demand low, or, you need to
pay a higher interest to sell it....well, the fact is, YOU pay the higher
interest, not the scumbags that took you down the hill.

You never should have skipped 4th grade economics.

??

let's see...the US pays ONE percent

italy pays FIVE percent

and to right wingers that proves ONE is more than FIVE!!!

HAHAHA conservatives cant even COUNT and they're lecturing about
ECONOMICS!!!

our RATES ARE LOW PRECISELY BECAUSE DEMAND IS HIGH!!

DUH!!!

christ. what the **** happened to conservatives who dont even know how
to count to FIVE???

Rates are not low because demand is high.

Rates are low because US Fed lends out at 0%. Banks don't need to pay
interest to savers if they can get free money. There is no balance in
the lend-borrow market place.

And how if ****s you? Social security gets maybe 1% on the money it
lends to government. 6% is real unadjusted inflation. So in fact
Social Security loses 5% value per year.

Say $1000 in SS gets $10 interest. But it takes $1060 to buy the same
stuff a year later. In value terms Social security is being skimmed by DC.

Yep, they will collect more and pay out less in the long term.

Worse of t-bill holders using real money. You lend $1000 and get 1%,
$10. But it takes $1060 to buy he same stuff a year later. But wait,
you have to pay tax on the $10. So in fact you lose more than 5%.

Whole scale Bernanke-0bama fraud really. A zero rate economy of
depreciating value of money.

And part of why your going to be so ****ed in the end. Government isn't
going to be able to increase your social security, Medicare and other
benefits with inflation money print.

But you are just too ****ing stupid to see it. Good 0bama sheeples.
--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.