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On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 07:01:36 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

So you don't invest either? I hope you folks like cat food.

No, and I have no money worries.

Where does your money come from?

SS, savings, and more "savings" from a pension I took as a lump sum.
Before you start yakking about the stock market, why don't you ask if my
electronics gear is all Made in the U.S.A.
I already know Wall Street is a bacteria that infects most everything.
I already know I have paltry returns keeping everything in cash.
But I never traded a stock in my life.
Never wanted to, not a bit.
Never took equity from a house, and paid my mortgages off well ahead of
schedule.
Never loved counting money. Just made sure I had enough to get by.
As I said before, the pension money is pure gravy.
Never counted on it, and can do fine without it.
I could do okay with just the SS, but would have to adjust some.
The excitement would probably add some years to my life.

High salaries, defined benefit pensions, and born a boomer.
I look at it all as mostly luck, with a good pinch of frugality.
Too bad most in the following generations won't pour that gravy.
Many public sector workers are the big exception.
Of course they're unionized. Nice pension plans.
Unions keeping Wall Street flush. Seems odd.
Unions rooting for Wall Street, and Wall Street rooting for unions.
Wonder how that will all pan out.
Kinda like the news media pumping the fools up for Black Friday
hysteria, then decrying the results.

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:59:10 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 23/11/2011 5:26 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:38:19 -0700,
wrote:


65% of Canada has none to low (red). No mistake why I live in Alberta.

Coincidentally or not, the red provinces are also the largest,
liberal-socialist types.

i'm willing to bet alberta has socialized medicine

so he lives in a socialist state while complaining about free market
america being a socialist state

hypocrite

You should come up here and try it. But I don't think you can get in on
welfare and with a criminal record.

gee. you should try to get medical care in the US withut insurance

ever try it?


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Just show up at the emergency room. If you have a MediCal (welfare ) card,
you go to a doctors office. Not all doctors take MediCal but a large bunch
do.
How about facts from the State of California Government.
http://www.fixourhealthcare.ca.gov/i...cts/more/6771/

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:59:42 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 18:33:45 -0800 (PST), North Star
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Good Lord... does that cover both Federal and State income taxes?

That is just Federal and Florida doesn't have state income taxes.

I did run the same $100,000 against the Ontario tax web site
calculator and it was scary.

There is a "payroll" tax on wages but Obama cut that to about 5%.
(plus the employer side of 7%.)


guess he's unaware that in the US we pay for our health insurance
either by payroll deductions or when our employer pays it

not too bright, these right wingers


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Not too bright are you Bob. Lots of people pay their own medical insurance.
Those on COBRA, HIPPA, and those with assets they want to keep if they get
sick. They buy a high deductible policy. $2k out of pocket before
insurance kicks in. Lowers the premiums big time. You want cradle to grave
care, that pays for anything you desire. Let the others pay is your creed.
You want those elective surgeries covered etc.

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 16:29:03 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:51:34 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 12:23:18 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 09:50:24 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

and you might want to read what a CONSERVATIVE NOBEL PRIZE WINNER
says:

you right wing socialists dont care.

You spread a lot of bull****, but you've still got two questions you're unable to answer.

1. Uh, how many people have jobs?


not enough AND we dont have enough TAX revenue because we keep cutting
taxes on the RICH

That's another dodge. "Not enough"...what the hell is that supposed to mean?

typical right wing True Believer in the wall street cult

FIRST he says cutting taxes on the rich CREATES jobs

THEN he says CREATING jobs means LOSING jobs since unemployment has
INCREASED since we cut taxes on the rich

THEN he says unemployment DOESNT EVEN EXIST!!

isn't it amazing! right wing smoke and mirrors...along with disregard
for the middle class who've lost jobs



2."If you destroy all of the corporations, where will those jobs come from?"

what jobs? you keep telling me we have so many jobs because of the tax
cuts on the rich

The jobs shown below. What happens if you destroy the corporations, de plume?

gee. we have MILLIONS FEWER jobs than we did BEFORE the tax cuts

what's your cure for a hemorrhage? bleeding the victim?


where are they?

WHERE ARE THE JOBS

See below.

WHERE ARE THE JOBS??

you have CONFUSED A CHANGE in jobs with the jobs themselves

we scientists take CALCULUS...which is the math of CHANGE.

you see...if you say A causes a change in B

then you damn well better be able to MEASURE that

right wingers dont. they simply dont give a rat's ass about the middle
class. THIS moron says an INCREASE in unemployment is UNIMPORTANT
because there are still jobs

if we lose 20 MILLION more jobs, he'll STILL say that's
unimportant...or 50 million jobs

as long as we cut taxes for the rich

WHERE ARE THE JOBS???


talk about dodging a question!

No, you've dodged the same questions repeatedly. As of May, 2010, there were approximately
127,097,160 persons employed in this country. They were employed in the following occupations, with
mean hourly, mean annual, and median hourly wages as shown.

WHERE ARE THE JOBS??? cutting taxes, the right says, INCREASES the
number of jobs. instead they DECREASED

only a right wring True Believer in the wall street cult would call a
DECREASE an INCREASE!!

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 19:38:21 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:59:10 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:


You should come up here and try it. But I don't think you can get in on
welfare and with a criminal record.

gee. you should try to get medical care in the US withut insurance

ever try it?


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Just show up at the emergency room. If you have a MediCal (welfare ) card,
you go to a doctors office. Not all doctors take MediCal but a large bunch
do.
How about facts from the State of California Government.
http://www.fixourhealthcare.ca.gov/i...cts/more/6771/

i'm an EMT. we take lots of cancer and heart patients to the ED.
unfortunately this is because they couldnt get medical care so a
treatable problem turned into an expensive emergency

if they survived at all.

so you're wrong

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 19:41:47 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:59:42 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 18:33:45 -0800 (PST), North Star
wrote:
quoted text -

There is a "payroll" tax on wages but Obama cut that to about 5%.
(plus the employer side of 7%.)


guess he's unaware that in the US we pay for our health insurance
either by payroll deductions or when our employer pays it

not too bright, these right wingers


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Not too bright are you Bob. Lots of people pay their own medical insurance.

gee. ever tried to price it yourself?

Those on COBRA, HIPPA, and those with assets they want to keep if they get
sick. They buy a high deductible policy.

a few years ago when the company i worked for went bankrupt, i had
COBRA.

$1200 per month..on unemployment

kinda stupid arent you? you think an unemployed person has SO much
money they can afford this

but, then, right wingers just arent smart at all


$2k out of pocket before
insurance kicks in. Lowers the premiums big time. You want cradle to grave
care, that pays for anything you desire. Let the others pay is your creed.
You want those elective surgeries covered etc.

and **** the middle class is yours. as long as the rich are cared for,
you dont give a **** what happens to the people who build this country

the right wing...hates america

loves the rich

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 19:41:47 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

Those on COBRA, HIPPA, and those with assets they want to keep if they get
sick. They buy a high deductible policy.

a few years ago when the company i worked for went bankrupt, i had
COBRA.

$1200 per month..on unemployment

kinda stupid arent you? you think an unemployed person has SO much
money they can afford this


He's just behind the times.
And on Medicare.
Since he gets basically free socialist health care, he doesn't know
the current cost of private market health care.
Closet socialists usually have a lot of blind spots.
And he's a boomer, so he got a lot of gravy.

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 19:41:47 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:59:42 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 18:33:45 -0800 (PST), North Star
wrote:
quoted text -

There is a "payroll" tax on wages but Obama cut that to about 5%.
(plus the employer side of 7%.)


guess he's unaware that in the US we pay for our health insurance
either by payroll deductions or when our employer pays it

not too bright, these right wingers


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Not too bright are you Bob. Lots of people pay their own medical
insurance.

gee. ever tried to price it yourself?

Those on COBRA, HIPPA, and those with assets they want to keep if they get
sick. They buy a high deductible policy.

a few years ago when the company i worked for went bankrupt, i had
COBRA.

$1200 per month..on unemployment

kinda stupid arent you? you think an unemployed person has SO much
money they can afford this

but, then, right wingers just arent smart at all


$2k out of pocket before
insurance kicks in. Lowers the premiums big time. You want cradle to
grave
care, that pays for anything you desire. Let the others pay is your creed.
You want those elective surgeries covered etc.

and **** the middle class is yours. as long as the rich are cared for,
you dont give a **** what happens to the people who build this country

the right wing...hates america

loves the rich


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Yup, I paid out of pocket when I got laid off. Until I got another job, or
created another career. You needed to save 30% of your money while working.
Not the IRA stuff, but everyday savings. And you have a working,
professional wife. Go on her insurance. Maybe you should have bought less
boat, so you did not have a $400 a month berthing fee, then you could afford
insurance.

"Boating All Out" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 19:41:47 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

Those on COBRA, HIPPA, and those with assets they want to keep if they
get
sick. They buy a high deductible policy.

a few years ago when the company i worked for went bankrupt, i had
COBRA.

$1200 per month..on unemployment

kinda stupid arent you? you think an unemployed person has SO much
money they can afford this


He's just behind the times.
And on Medicare.
Since he gets basically free socialist health care, he doesn't know
the current cost of private market health care.
Closet socialists usually have a lot of blind spots.
And he's a boomer, so he got a lot of gravy.


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I know what insurance costs. I have been an employer as well as laid off
over the years. I lived below my means, which gave me a cushion when a job
went away. I worked for a few startups, so closing the doors and no COBRA
available was not that unusual. Sure I am on Medicare now. But that is
only for 2.5 years. I have been retired for 9 years, so for 6.5 years, I
paid my own insurance.

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 19:38:21 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:59:10 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:


You should come up here and try it. But I don't think you can get in on
welfare and with a criminal record.

gee. you should try to get medical care in the US withut insurance

ever try it?


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Just show up at the emergency room. If you have a MediCal (welfare ) card,
you go to a doctors office. Not all doctors take MediCal but a large bunch
do.
How about facts from the State of California Government.
http://www.fixourhealthcare.ca.gov/i...cts/more/6771/

i'm an EMT. we take lots of cancer and heart patients to the ED.
unfortunately this is because they couldnt get medical care so a
treatable problem turned into an expensive emergency

if they survived at all.

so you're wrong


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I guess the state of California is wrong. Their statement no mine. And if
you have no assets, you go on welfare. You are probably taking heart and
cancer people to emergency for emergency reasons. Not for normal care.