On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:58:03 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 23/11/2011 5:44 PM, Disgusted wrote:
On 11/23/2011 7:20 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:39:13 -0500, wrote:


oh. you dont know what a marginal tax rate is

even though you just defined it

yeah, you're right wing alright

Nice try at a cover up.

I never thought you would understand the meaning of marginal tax rate.

Diaper wipe bpuharic cant even do the math, thinking that was the whole
tax rate table without deductions. Clearly a loser fool. My guess, is
a jailbird.

so canuck complains how socialized medicine ruins a country

as he lives in a country with socialized medicine

uh huh.

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:59:10 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 23/11/2011 5:26 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:38:19 -0700,
wrote:


65% of Canada has none to low (red). No mistake why I live in Alberta.

Coincidentally or not, the red provinces are also the largest,
liberal-socialist types.

i'm willing to bet alberta has socialized medicine

so he lives in a socialist state while complaining about free market
america being a socialist state

hypocrite

You should come up here and try it. But I don't think you can get in on
welfare and with a criminal record.

gee. you should try to get medical care in the US withut insurance

ever try it?

On 23/11/2011 5:48 PM, Disgusted wrote:
On 11/23/2011 7:24 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:18:02 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 16:18:32 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:59:40 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:39:33 -0500, wrote:

not enough. not enough at all. they pay 15%. i pay 28%

Bull****.

If you pay 28% you are one of the 1%.

Two people, no kids, making a combined $100k end up paying about 11%
taking the standard deduction.

not too smart are you? 28% is middle class income:

http://taxes.about.com/od/Federal-In...1-Tax-Year.htm


•10% on taxable income from $0 to $8,500, plus
•15% on taxable income over $8,500 to $34,500, plus
•25% on taxable income over $34,500 to $83,600, plus
•28% on taxable income over $83,600 to $174,400, plus
•33% on taxable income over $174,400 to $379,150, plus
•35% on taxable income over $379,150.


no wonder you're right wing. you're too stupid to be anything BUT....


Who does your taxes Bob?

Let's start with $100,000 (you can follow along with your 1040 book)
You start out reducing your taxable income by $11400 for the standard
deduction

Then you reduce it by $7300 for 2 exemptions

You have 81300 that you take to the tax table

You get $12, 694 but you are not done yet

Now you subtract $800 from that for the "make work pay" tax credit

Your tax on $100,000 is $11,894
That is 11.9%, not 28%

That is for someone with no mortgage deduction, no kids no other
deductions.

but don't let facts confuse what Olbermann is telling you.

cant read a tax table, can you?

doesnt matter what the deductions are. what matters is the marginal
tax rate. and for the middle class it's 28%. the fact the GOP wants to
eliminate the middle class deducations while eliminating ANY taxes for
the rich..AKA capital gains

go ahead...listen to talk radio. cotton candy for right wingers


What matters is what you pay in the end. Call it average or marginal,
what's left after the IRS takes their cut, that's what counts.

Bingo.

When I moved to the US I originally had to buy my own insurance as I was
a consultant not an employee. So I bought it on my own, writing the
check. But when I got into it, I was saving more on taxes at the lower
US tax rate. If I factor in health care as taxes, and consider in
Canada most have supplementary insurance, I was far better off in the
USA on wage/consulting income than in Canada.

Gets better, stuff is cheaper in the USA, less excise and hidden taxes.
No HST/PST, which is 15%. State taxes always seemed to be 4.5 to
5.5%. Gas, entertainment, vacations, cars, booze, services all seemed
cheaper in the USA. Sure had no trouble saving money.

--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.

In article om,
says...

On 11/22/2011 8:11 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/21/11 11:45 PM, jps wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 08:59:42 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

On 11/21/11 8:46 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 00:24:51 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 22:31:43 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:02:02 -0500, wrote:

In ,
says...

you're the one betting on polls a year before the election. go
back to
your security blanket.

Obama could be beat by any republican with a pulse. Too bad they
haven't found that one yet.

yeah. that's cuz aint no republican wiht a pulse

I really think the GOP wants Obama to win so it will be a democrat
who
makes the cuts to SS and Medicare that we are going to have to do.

sorry sport. that's already on the table

what terrifies the GOP is raising taxes on the rich

the GOP has no problem destroying the middle class. but god forbid the
rich should pay an extra buck in taxes for all the damage they caused

Washington DC doesn't have a revenue problem, they have a spending
problem. Everyone is looking for the solution from on wrong side of the
ledger.


D'oh. Stop channeling the moronic GOP leaders in the house and senate.

Where was Bertie when we started bombing rocks in Afghanistan and
unseating Saddam? Bush had a spending problem called war. And, he
was the one who pushed through the medicare drug bill that put us even
further in debt.

Funny, didn't hear Bertie say a damned thing when all that spending
was goin' on.



Bertie was shivering in a corner, hoping and praying he wouldn't get
called up and sent to a combat zone.

Now that's projecting ones shortcomings onto another. Mommy use her
political connections to see to it that you didn't get drafted?

I was a phone call away with my sea bag packed and ready to go for 6
years. What was Harry doing, throwing fecal bombs at his fellow union
members in the police department?

On 11/24/11 9:40 AM, BAR wrote:
In raweb.com,
says...

On 11/22/2011 8:11 AM, X ` Man wrote:

Washington DC doesn't have a revenue problem, they have a spending
problem. Everyone is looking for the solution from on wrong side of the
ledger.


D'oh. Stop channeling the moronic GOP leaders in the house and senate.

Where was Bertie when we started bombing rocks in Afghanistan and
unseating Saddam? Bush had a spending problem called war. And, he
was the one who pushed through the medicare drug bill that put us even
further in debt.

Funny, didn't hear Bertie say a damned thing when all that spending
was goin' on.



Bertie was shivering in a corner, hoping and praying he wouldn't get
called up and sent to a combat zone.

Now that's projecting ones shortcomings onto another. Mommy use her
political connections to see to it that you didn't get drafted?

I was a phone call away with my sea bag packed and ready to go for 6
years. What was Harry doing, throwing fecal bombs at his fellow union
members in the police department?


If you are referring to Bush's moronic war against Afghanistan, I was
biding my time, waiting for a real president with brains to give the
orders to find and kill bin Laden. You remember bin Laden, right? The
guy Bush said wasn't important enough to catch.

Have a nice family holiday.


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On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:52:00 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 20/11/2011 11:58 AM, California Rocket Scientist wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 12:41:14 -0800 (PST), TopBassDog
wrote:

Pay attention Herr Krause; you too JIPS- I know the odds are against
it, but there remains hope that you both may learn something.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/was...ng-big-in-2012

We need to face it, we're a nation that claims to be fiscally
conservative, yet we never tire of goofy wars to name just one
bizarre contradiction. Then when we see the bill we look to elect
somebody new no matter what crazy claims he makes as long as he
doesn't mention our previous assinine decisons, or criticize us for
making them. The latest crazy claims are that the applicants can make
up for the 5 trillion cost of the middle east fiasco by cutting taxes
further and getting rid of the EPA, unions, etc. Who'd be dumb enough
to believe that except for maybe 51% of the voters? So Cook could be
right. God help us.

Need to get rid of "In Debt We Trust!" and put God back in there.

You mean the god who likes to flood backup generators at nuclear power
plants and give cancer to innocent kids? How is trusting in him
supposed to help anything? Look to the most wretched in the world to
find the most likely to believe in nonsense. The benefits of
worshipping imaginary beings are almost entirely imaginary. On the
other hand the worst of the downsides is that we've accepted that it's
perfectly respectable and wise to believe that a supreme being has a
grand plan that includes killing the innocent in droves. How then can
we tell someone that it's neither respectable or wise to believe that
a Nigerian prince has willed them a fortune? Or that lower taxes
combined with increased spending is retarded and immoral?

Dishonored debt is a sin

Let's just call it a bad thing and leave out any fairy code
violations.

Unpaid debts is a form of theft.

Agreed. And in the case here in the US we're demanding ever lower
taxes at the same time we're pretending that all the costs that have
increased in the last couple of decades will somehow get paid by
magic. Try telling your banker that the problem of not wanting to pay
your bills can be cured by lowering your payments. When he balks tell
him that the fix for his disagreeableness is a new banker or more
praying.

On 11/24/2011 11:56 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:52:05 -0500, wrote:

you're ignoring the whole point to the difference between tax rates
and marginal tax rates. middle class tax rates are 28%. that is a
fact.

What is the effective tax rate? (What you actually pay)
I showed you it is 12% or less for a couple ,making $100,000.


You sure do have a lot of patience with that guy. If he acted like he
does here in a face to face "debate", with his name calling, he'd be
visiting his dentist on a regular basis. But it's too easy to hide
behind Usenet.

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