On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:41:51 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .

gee. you should try to get medical care in the US withut insurance

ever try it?


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Just show up at the emergency room. If you have a MediCal (welfare ) card,
you go to a doctors office. Not all doctors take MediCal but a large bunch
do.
How about facts from the State of California Government.
http://www.fixourhealthcare.ca.gov/i...cts/more/6771/

i'm an EMT. we take lots of cancer and heart patients to the ED.
unfortunately this is because they couldnt get medical care so a
treatable problem turned into an expensive emergency

if they survived at all.

so you're wrong


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I guess the state of California is wrong. Their statement no mine. And if
you have no assets, you go on welfare. You are probably taking heart and
cancer people to emergency for emergency reasons. Not for normal care.

no, you dont 'go on welfare'. if you are unemployed you dont get ****.
you die.

and you seem not to understand that routine illnesses, left
unattended, often become emergencies...sometimes fatal

On 11/27/11 5:24 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:41:51 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"bpuharic" wrote in message
...

gee. you should try to get medical care in the US withut insurance

ever try it?


--------------------------------------------------
Just show up at the emergency room. If you have a MediCal (welfare ) card,
you go to a doctors office. Not all doctors take MediCal but a large bunch
do.
How about facts from the State of California Government.
http://www.fixourhealthcare.ca.gov/i...cts/more/6771/

i'm an EMT. we take lots of cancer and heart patients to the ED.
unfortunately this is because they couldnt get medical care so a
treatable problem turned into an expensive emergency

if they survived at all.

so you're wrong


-----------------------------------------------------
I guess the state of California is wrong. Their statement no mine. And if
you have no assets, you go on welfare. You are probably taking heart and
cancer people to emergency for emergency reasons. Not for normal care.

no, you dont 'go on welfare'. if you are unemployed you dont get ****.
you die.

and you seem not to understand that routine illnesses, left
unattended, often become emergencies...sometimes fatal



There's a myth perpetuated by the right that the gravely ill without
money or health insurance get good treatment by showing up at the ER.
That claim is just plain bull****. All they get, if they get treated at
all, is short term stabilization.

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On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:39:48 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"Boating All Out" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 19:41:47 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

Those on COBRA, HIPPA, and those with assets they want to keep if they
get
sick. They buy a high deductible policy.

a few years ago when the company i worked for went bankrupt, i had
COBRA.

$1200 per month..on unemployment

kinda stupid arent you? you think an unemployed person has SO much
money they can afford this


He's just behind the times.
And on Medicare.
Since he gets basically free socialist health care, he doesn't know
the current cost of private market health care.
Closet socialists usually have a lot of blind spots.
And he's a boomer, so he got a lot of gravy.


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I know what insurance costs. I have been an employer as well as laid off
over the years. I lived below my means, which gave me a cushion when a job
went away.

a cushion! that's so quaint!

let's see...medical care for an ALS ambulance ride to the hospital
STARTS at $1500, not including meds, O2, any interventions the EMT's
or paramedics do, etc.

THEN you get to the ER where the real fun starts. thousands of dollars
in a few hours

what kind of 'cushion' do people have when they havent had a pay raise
in 20 years?


I worked for a few startups, so closing the doors and no COBRA
available was not that unusual. Sure I am on Medicare now. But that is
only for 2.5 years. I have been retired for 9 years, so for 6.5 years, I
paid my own insurance.

so you're on socialized medicine.

figures

On 11/27/2011 5:26 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/27/11 5:24 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:41:51 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"bpuharic" wrote in message
...

gee. you should try to get medical care in the US withut insurance

ever try it?


--------------------------------------------------
Just show up at the emergency room. If you have a MediCal (welfare )
card,
you go to a doctors office. Not all doctors take MediCal but a large
bunch
do.
How about facts from the State of California Government.
http://www.fixourhealthcare.ca.gov/i...cts/more/6771/

i'm an EMT. we take lots of cancer and heart patients to the ED.
unfortunately this is because they couldnt get medical care so a
treatable problem turned into an expensive emergency

if they survived at all.

so you're wrong


-----------------------------------------------------
I guess the state of California is wrong. Their statement no mine.
And if
you have no assets, you go on welfare. You are probably taking heart and
cancer people to emergency for emergency reasons. Not for normal care.

no, you dont 'go on welfare'. if you are unemployed you dont get ****.
you die.

and you seem not to understand that routine illnesses, left
unattended, often become emergencies...sometimes fatal



There's a myth perpetuated by the right that the gravely ill without
money or health insurance get good treatment by showing up at the ER.
That claim is just plain bull****. All they get, if they get treated at
all, is short term stabilization.


Might be true in bomfoch Maryland but not here. I have veeery reliable
sources.

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1-20-13 The end of an error

On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:26:37 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

On 11/27/11 5:24 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:41:51 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"bpuharic" wrote in message
...

gee. you should try to get medical care in the US withut insurance

ever try it?

no, you dont 'go on welfare'. if you are unemployed you dont get ****.
you die.

and you seem not to understand that routine illnesses, left
unattended, often become emergencies...sometimes fatal



There's a myth perpetuated by the right that the gravely ill without
money or health insurance get good treatment by showing up at the ER.
That claim is just plain bull****. All they get, if they get treated at
all, is short term stabilization.


exactly right. we often transport the same people over a period of a
few weeks or even days because of untreatrd problems that were
stablized in the ED

On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:26:47 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:39:48 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"Boating All Out" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 19:41:47 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

Those on COBRA, HIPPA, and those with assets they want to keep if they
get
sick. They buy a high deductible policy.

a few years ago when the company i worked for went bankrupt, i had
COBRA.

$1200 per month..on unemployment

kinda stupid arent you? you think an unemployed person has SO much
money they can afford this


He's just behind the times.
And on Medicare.
Since he gets basically free socialist health care, he doesn't know
the current cost of private market health care.
Closet socialists usually have a lot of blind spots.
And he's a boomer, so he got a lot of gravy.


-------------------------------------------------------------
I know what insurance costs. I have been an employer as well as laid off
over the years. I lived below my means, which gave me a cushion when a job
went away.

a cushion! that's so quaint!

let's see...medical care for an ALS ambulance ride to the hospital
STARTS at $1500, not including meds, O2, any interventions the EMT's
or paramedics do, etc.

THEN you get to the ER where the real fun starts. thousands of dollars
in a few hours

what kind of 'cushion' do people have when they havent had a pay raise
in 20 years?


I worked for a few startups, so closing the doors and no COBRA
available was not that unusual. Sure I am on Medicare now. But that is
only for 2.5 years. I have been retired for 9 years, so for 6.5 years, I
paid my own insurance.

so you're on socialized medicine.

figures

From your posts here, I can understand why you've not had a pay raise in 20 years of employment.

There was a reason, and it wasn't due to Republicans.

"bpuharic" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:39:48 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"Boating All Out" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 19:41:47 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

Those on COBRA, HIPPA, and those with assets they want to keep if they
get
sick. They buy a high deductible policy.

a few years ago when the company i worked for went bankrupt, i had
COBRA.

$1200 per month..on unemployment

kinda stupid arent you? you think an unemployed person has SO much
money they can afford this


He's just behind the times.
And on Medicare.
Since he gets basically free socialist health care, he doesn't know
the current cost of private market health care.
Closet socialists usually have a lot of blind spots.
And he's a boomer, so he got a lot of gravy.


-------------------------------------------------------------
I know what insurance costs. I have been an employer as well as laid off
over the years. I lived below my means, which gave me a cushion when a job
went away.

a cushion! that's so quaint!

let's see...medical care for an ALS ambulance ride to the hospital
STARTS at $1500, not including meds, O2, any interventions the EMT's
or paramedics do, etc.

THEN you get to the ER where the real fun starts. thousands of dollars
in a few hours

what kind of 'cushion' do people have when they havent had a pay raise
in 20 years?


I worked for a few startups, so closing the doors and no COBRA
available was not that unusual. Sure I am on Medicare now. But that is
only for 2.5 years. I have been retired for 9 years, so for 6.5 years, I
paid my own insurance.

so you're on socialized medicine.

figures


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So buy a $2000 deductible policy. Then you will have $2k out of pocket, and
the insurance will pick up the rest. And $2k deductible will cut your
insurance premium costs a lot.

"bpuharic" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:41:51 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .

gee. you should try to get medical care in the US withut insurance

ever try it?


--------------------------------------------------
Just show up at the emergency room. If you have a MediCal (welfare )
card,
you go to a doctors office. Not all doctors take MediCal but a large
bunch
do.
How about facts from the State of California Government.
http://www.fixourhealthcare.ca.gov/i...cts/more/6771/

i'm an EMT. we take lots of cancer and heart patients to the ED.
unfortunately this is because they couldnt get medical care so a
treatable problem turned into an expensive emergency

if they survived at all.

so you're wrong


-----------------------------------------------------
I guess the state of California is wrong. Their statement no mine. And if
you have no assets, you go on welfare. You are probably taking heart and
cancer people to emergency for emergency reasons. Not for normal care.

no, you dont 'go on welfare'. if you are unemployed you dont get ****.
you die.

and you seem not to understand that routine illnesses, left
unattended, often become emergencies...sometimes fatal


--------------------------------------------------

So if you have assets they will take them and then you go on welfare. Why
should you get to keep your assets when the public is paying the doctor?
After you lose your job and spent all your money berthing a boat instead of
buying insurance.

On 11/28/11 2:12 PM, Califbill wrote:
"bpuharic" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:39:48 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"Boating All Out" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 19:41:47 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

Those on COBRA, HIPPA, and those with assets they want to keep if they
get
sick. They buy a high deductible policy.

a few years ago when the company i worked for went bankrupt, i had
COBRA.

$1200 per month..on unemployment

kinda stupid arent you? you think an unemployed person has SO much
money they can afford this


He's just behind the times.
And on Medicare.
Since he gets basically free socialist health care, he doesn't know
the current cost of private market health care.
Closet socialists usually have a lot of blind spots.
And he's a boomer, so he got a lot of gravy.


-------------------------------------------------------------
I know what insurance costs. I have been an employer as well as laid off
over the years. I lived below my means, which gave me a cushion when a
job
went away.

a cushion! that's so quaint!

let's see...medical care for an ALS ambulance ride to the hospital
STARTS at $1500, not including meds, O2, any interventions the EMT's
or paramedics do, etc.

THEN you get to the ER where the real fun starts. thousands of dollars
in a few hours

what kind of 'cushion' do people have when they havent had a pay raise
in 20 years?


I worked for a few startups, so closing the doors and no COBRA
available was not that unusual. Sure I am on Medicare now. But that is
only for 2.5 years. I have been retired for 9 years, so for 6.5 years, I
paid my own insurance.

so you're on socialized medicine.

figures


-------------------------------------------------------------------
So buy a $2000 deductible policy. Then you will have $2k out of pocket,
and the insurance will pick up the rest. And $2k deductible will cut
your insurance premium costs a lot.



Well, some insurance policies may "pick up the rest," and others will
still require the insured to handle co-pays, which may be substantial,
and other medically related expenses, which may also be substantial.

There really are no simple answers for many health care insurance
questions.

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On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:12:32 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .


kinda stupid arent you? you think an unemployed person has SO much
money they can afford this


He's just behind the times.
And on Medicare.
Since he gets basically free socialist health care, he doesn't know
the current cost of private market health care.
Closet socialists usually have a lot of blind spots.
And he's a boomer, so he got a lot of gravy.


-------------------------------------------------------------
I know what insurance costs. I have been an employer as well as laid off
over the years. I lived below my means, which gave me a cushion when a job
went away.

a cushion! that's so quaint!

let's see...medical care for an ALS ambulance ride to the hospital
STARTS at $1500, not including meds, O2, any interventions the EMT's
or paramedics do, etc.

THEN you get to the ER where the real fun starts. thousands of dollars
in a few hours

what kind of 'cushion' do people have when they havent had a pay raise
in 20 years?


I worked for a few startups, so closing the doors and no COBRA
available was not that unusual. Sure I am on Medicare now. But that is
only for 2.5 years. I have been retired for 9 years, so for 6.5 years, I
paid my own insurance.

so you're on socialized medicine.

figures


-------------------------------------------------------------------
So buy a $2000 deductible policy. Then you will have $2k out of pocket, and
the insurance will pick up the rest. And $2k deductible will cut your
insurance premium costs a lot.

tell you what

go look up average unemployment benefits

look up the cost of health programs with a 2K deductible

get back to me