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On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:56:05 -0700, "Califbill"
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:48:18 -0400, L G wrote:

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On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:10:06 -0400, L wrote:


****ing IDIOT

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...10-taxes_N.htm

am i EVER wrong? no.

YOU guys are IDIOTS

So, in your small mind, you associate the size of the US government with
the tax revenue it collects? You aren't only blind, you are a moron,
Bobbie!


gee. someone's gotta pay for it. how's the GOP doing in tax cutting?
any specifics?

oh. none. the right keeps telling us we're overtaxed

oh. you're lying about that.

moron

Reply:
Moron? We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem!


OK he starts with a typical right wing cliche.

we DIDNT have a spending problem until conservatives cut taxes and got
us into a war...NONE of which they paid for.

but his solution is to bankrupt the middle class.

The
government requires excess wages in any government contract.


meaningless. where's the proof this has ANY bearing on the deficit.
you right wingers BORROW AND SPEND. conservatives are the BIGGEST
SPENDERS IN HISTORY

Not what the
market can support, and then taxes the rest of the people to enforce the
excess payments.


notice he ignores the FACT that US taxes are the lowest in

SIXTY YEARS. yep. SIXTY YEARS

so far we have cliches, lies and right wing bull****.


Living Wage! **** that! Pay what the job is worth.
Minimum wage should be for those starting out with little skills.


proof that minimum wage has had ANY effect on the economy?

none. none at all...BUT

wall street went from 20% of GDP to FOURTY PERCENT OF GDP between 1997
and 2007

HE IGNORES THAT. THAT destroyed our economy...NOT the minimum
wage...but, like the right wing moron he is, he cant blame the rich so
he blames the WORKING POOR


We have inflated wages so much
we have priced ourselves out of most manufacturing jobs. UAW built crap
cars and not caring about the quality, drove buyers to foreign cars. Better
quality for the same price. Was also management, but the workers did not
help. Management should have been fired also. They assemble them here with
lower cost workers. Screwed the UAW workers for being overpaid,


we have no unions in the US and countries, like SWEDEN and GERMANY
with STRONG UNIONS OUTPERFORM THE US in manufacturing

but he ignores that.

see a pattern here?

blame the worker

blame the poor

dont...under ANY circumstances...blame the rich. never. ever ever
ever.

right wing bull****.

Every business in
the country is cutting back on employees and spending. Except for the US
Federal Government. They have added 36,000 more employees and increased
wages for most of the government employees.


well let's look at the number of federal employees, shall we? the best
way to measure this is in number of employees divided by the
population since this accounts for population growth. and here's what
we find:


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fed...ers_are_t.html

oh, dear. the right winger is ****ed again. obama has DROPPED the
number of employees per capita, vs bush!!

so this means the right winger is full of ****, right?

you bet!

Raise taxes all you want, but
without meaningful spending cuts, we are doomed. We need at least a $1.5
trillion dollar cut in spending, not a pathetic $36 Billion cut. Less than
a percent.


gee. obama is willing to cut entitlements. he's proposed cuts to
social security and medicare

but the right wing is hell bent on ensuring the rich stay rich so wont
raise taxes


We also need to scrap the requirement to pay prevailing wages as
now defined.


why? proof this will have ANY effect on the deficit?

none. but it DOES **** the american worker. and THAT is the whole goal
of the right

The definition seems to be whatever the highest union
negotiated wage is, not what is prevailing as paid in the industry.


proof that unions are bad for america? none. in fact the countries
with strongest unions have the best manufacturing


We need
to allow companies to fire union workers who are incompetent a lot easier.


unemployment is at record highs. what is firing MORE workers going to
do?

but this ****s more workers

Sure the union can protect workers from unjust termination, but a person
drunk on the job, should be fired.


there are no unions in america. america has the lowest percentage of
workers in unions than any western country

but this continues the right's goal of ****ing the last vestiges of
any american worker




Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to
stop the deficit.


so he obsesses over

non existent unions
minimum wage workers

and completely ignores the wealthy who've ****ed this country blind in
the last 3 years.

yep. right wing bull**** all the way

what a ****ING IDIOT


May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending
cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at
wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot of
the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell it to
towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not enough
tax revenues available to rescue us.


he thinks we can balance the budget on the backs of minimum wage
workers!!

HAHAHAHAHAH

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On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:48:26 -0400, wf3h wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:11:56 -0600, Canuck57
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On 11/07/2011 10:35 AM, Califbill wrote:
"Harryk" wrote in message ...

During the Clinton years, when taxes on the wealthy were a bit higher,
we had a budgetary surplus. Bush cut those slightly higher taxes on the
wealthy and now we have deficits. D'oh.


Clinton didn't have to service 9.7 trillion plus Obama-debt.....


can he name the debt?

nope.

can he tell us what obama did? nope

but he knows obama's black...


Sure, go for the wealthy, but in reality they are the ones investing the
cash return they get into job producing investments so even few job
creating investments will be made.


more cliches and bull**** in lieu of evidence. capital gains today are
as low as they've been in history. how's that working out? we at full
employment?

nope. the trickle down bull**** that causes the right wing to suck the
cocks of the rich like a baby suck its mom's tits is a wonder to
behold.

the rich arent doing **** for america right now except sittling on
piles of cash. the middle class bailed out the rich and the rich
repaid us by laying us off and sitting on the money

but the right wing ignores this.



Hey, delinquent debtors and unions
don't invest. And also know it reduces their future income tax. And
wealthy to Obama is about anyone with a job and money.


america has no unions. canuck sits in canada, with govt healthcare and
more unions than the US has

and canada's economy is healthier than the US. but he ignores that.

more right wing bull****


So with this wealth tax put back, how does Obama come up with the rest,
still a $1.5 trillion deficit. Still no where close to a balanced budget.


and where is the GOP balanced budget?

oh. there isnt one.


Your average American has no clue what is about to happen to the
USD.


nor do you kluxer clown.



..he US government to fit
revenue. Spend less than they rake in.

Real money is gold, China and India now convert most of the cash to
precious metals and not increasing the USD hold. USD is now failing as
a world reserve currency. Only thing lacking is an alternative and the
USD will become toilet paper.


china is now having its own inflation problems. and the canadian
dollar...with socialized medicine and strong unions

is healthier than right wing free market america


Get it right.. Obama is 1/2 black, and Knuckles would run screaming if
he saw a 1/2 black in his neighborhood. He lives in a pure white-trash
district.
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On 11/07/2011 12:16 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 7/11/11 2:11 PM, Canuck57 wrote:


Sure, go for the wealthy, but in reality they are the ones investing the
cash return they get into job producing investments so even few job
creating investments will be made.



They're not investing, moron. They are hoarding their cash.


Yep, I know, I am one of them. Why invest in a depreciating economy, in
a depreciating currency, depreciating purchasing power, with
hyper-taxation greed coming and fight with union idiots wanting a big
raise so I loose money...... when I can just buy oil, gold, even from my
US IRA?

You don't get it, government isn't the answer, they are the problem.

Be dammed if I invest to loose money to the greedy. Show me win-win
that is credible....and I will be there. Otherwise the fleabags can
screw themselves.

Just was reading an interesting article on how the USA is going down. A
huge currency devaluation is in the works. It is not if but when. USA
has passed the tipping point. At some point, debt or no more debt USD
will devalue at least to 1/2 its current value in a short period.

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On 11/07/2011 2:04 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:11:56 -0600,
wrote:

On 11/07/2011 10:35 AM, Califbill wrote:
"Harryk" wrote in message ...

On 7/10/11 12:55 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 10/07/2011 9:38 AM, wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:23:22 -0600,
wrote:

On 08/07/2011 7:38 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:10:06 -0400, L wrote:

wf3h wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 10:12:15 -0600,
wrote:

the govt is the smallest it's been in 60 years. to the right that's
too big since it means they can still examine wall street

Post proof or retract.

you really are ****ing stupid, aren't you? you right wngers have NO
****ing idea about you views, what the facts are, etc. you just have
your cliches and that's it

****ing IDIOT

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...10-taxes_N.htm

am i EVER wrong? no.

YOU guys are IDIOTS

Because people are unemployed idiot. Your average household has much
less than 2/3rd the dollars coming in today than in 2006. Unless your a
government civil servant that is, they just kept on growing.

so let's see. you lied about the level of taxes. that's no
surprise...you're right wing. you always lie. then you proved you
didn't know **** about taxes. no surprise there either. the right wing
doesnt know **** about taxes

Spoken like a envious gutter slug.

and the reason we dont have money in the US middle class? because in
the last 30 years the richest 1% have had a 500% pay increase. that's
where the money went.

How much did you save? Oh, you screwed it away on toys and are now
broke. Got it.

so you dont know **** about the economic profile of the US, taxes or
govt

no surprise. you're right wing

Conservative economics just works better. No ****. Told me to watch for
2008....while your liberal economic idiot deer were on the tracks in a
comatose state, staring at the freight train.

Going to get worse too. As government gets bigger, people get smaller.

gee. taxes are the lowest they've been in 60 years. you just admitted
that

now you forgot it. again. you're right wing alright

Taxes are low as people lost their jobs and unemployment is 1929 levels.
Unemployed without alternative sources of income don't pay taxes. They
are not lower for an individual that is working.



During the Clinton years, when taxes on the wealthy were a bit higher,
we had a budgetary surplus. Bush cut those slightly higher taxes on the
wealthy and now we have deficits. D'oh.


Clinton didn't have to service 9.7 trillion plus Obama-debt.....

Trouble with debt is, if you double the debt it becomes 4 times the
problem. The deeper you go, the less likely you are to get out.

Government debt is like a mortgage but never gets paid off. So the
first payment is every payment, almost 100% non-value added interest and
servicing costs.

Sure, go for the wealthy, but in reality they are the ones investing the
cash return they get into job producing investments so even few job
creating investments will be made. Hey, delinquent debtors and unions
don't invest. And also know it reduces their future income tax. And
wealthy to Obama is about anyone with a job and money.

So with this wealth tax put back, how does Obama come up with the rest,
still a $1.5 trillion deficit. Still no where close to a balanced budget.

I get a kick out of this bull****. Congress obviously are just scared
rabbits. They are talking 1 to 4 trillion in 10 years. They need to
talk $1.7 trillion per year starting right now. Obama is playing the
sluff it off to the next president game. Congress should just pass a
$1.6 trillion cut it spending right now.

Your average American has no clue what is about to happen to the
USD...but here is a hint, depreciation of the USD (inflation) on the
world markets is ramping up fast. And the government is already into
spiral debt. May be even past the tipping point. Japanese have seen a
30% decrease in the standard of living in the last 3 years. It is
coming to the USA.

People should be mad as hornets.

The only answer is an immediate downsize of the US government to fit
revenue. Spend less than they rake in.

Real money is gold, China and India now convert most of the cash to
precious metals and not increasing the USD hold. USD is now failing as
a world reserve currency. Only thing lacking is an alternative and the
USD will become toilet paper.


You're truly stupid. Sure, throw more people out of work. Gov't
workers don't pay taxes or buy things. Oh wait, they do. But, those
big corps who ship jobs overseas, they pay their fair share. Oh wait,
they don't.


That is the way it works, more government debt and overspend means more
unemployment. Why should I have US holdings in such a buggered up
economy based of fleabag greed and delinquent fleabag debt?

Let the fleabags eat debt.
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On 11/07/2011 3:48 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:11:56 -0600,
wrote:

On 11/07/2011 10:35 AM, Califbill wrote:
"Harryk" wrote in message ...

During the Clinton years, when taxes on the wealthy were a bit higher,
we had a budgetary surplus. Bush cut those slightly higher taxes on the
wealthy and now we have deficits. D'oh.


Clinton didn't have to service 9.7 trillion plus Obama-debt.....


can he name the debt?

nope.

can he tell us what obama did? nope

but he knows obama's black...


Sure, go for the wealthy, but in reality they are the ones investing the
cash return they get into job producing investments so even few job
creating investments will be made.


more cliches and bull**** in lieu of evidence. capital gains today are
as low as they've been in history. how's that working out? we at full
employment?

nope. the trickle down bull**** that causes the right wing to suck the
cocks of the rich like a baby suck its mom's tits is a wonder to
behold.

the rich arent doing **** for america right now except sittling on
piles of cash. the middle class bailed out the rich and the rich
repaid us by laying us off and sitting on the money

but the right wing ignores this.



Hey, delinquent debtors and unions
don't invest. And also know it reduces their future income tax. And
wealthy to Obama is about anyone with a job and money.


america has no unions. canuck sits in canada, with govt healthcare and
more unions than the US has

and canada's economy is healthier than the US. but he ignores that.

more right wing bull****


So with this wealth tax put back, how does Obama come up with the rest,
still a $1.5 trillion deficit. Still no where close to a balanced budget.


and where is the GOP balanced budget?

oh. there isnt one.


Your average American has no clue what is about to happen to the
USD.


nor do you kluxer clown.



..he US government to fit
revenue. Spend less than they rake in.

Real money is gold, China and India now convert most of the cash to
precious metals and not increasing the USD hold. USD is now failing as
a world reserve currency. Only thing lacking is an alternative and the
USD will become toilet paper.


china is now having its own inflation problems. and the canadian
dollar...with socialized medicine and strong unions

is healthier than right wing free market america


Yep. China is far better run economically than the US. US is into too
much fiat ponzi debt fraud.

--
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And do it for your kids sake....and ignore the selfish fleabags...
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:37:44 -0600, Canuck57
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On 11/07/2011 12:16 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 7/11/11 2:11 PM, Canuck57 wrote:


Sure, go for the wealthy, but in reality they are the ones investing the
cash return they get into job producing investments so even few job
creating investments will be made.



They're not investing, moron. They are hoarding their cash.


Yep, I know, I am one of them. Why invest in a depreciating economy,


yeah. invest in canada. socialized medicine. strong unions. strong
dollar compared to the free market in the US

and your bull**** is all wrong, of course



in
a depreciating currency, depreciating purchasing power, with
hyper-taxation greed coming and fight with union idiots wanting a big
raise so I loose money...... when I can just buy oil, gold, even from my
US IRA?


AHAHAHAH unions...we have none! canada? lots

guess which economy is stonger?


You don't get it, government isn't the answer, they are the problem.


except canada has more unions and more 'socialism' than the free
market US

as does sweden. both economies are doing better than the free market
US

the US is where the right wing gets to try all its bull**** theories
about how destroying the middle class makes a country great
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On 11/07/2011 1:56 PM, Califbill wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message ...

On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:48:18 -0400, L G wrote:

wf3h wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:10:06 -0400, L wrote:




the govt is the smallest it's been in 60 years. to the right that's
too big since it means they can still examine wall street


Post proof or retract.

you really are ****ing stupid, aren't you? you right wngers have NO
****ing idea about you views, what the facts are, etc. you just have
your cliches and that's it

****ing IDIOT

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...10-taxes_N.htm

am i EVER wrong? no.

YOU guys are IDIOTS

So, in your small mind, you associate the size of the US government with
the tax revenue it collects? You aren't only blind, you are a moron,
Bobbie!


gee. someone's gotta pay for it. how's the GOP doing in tax cutting?
any specifics?

oh. none. the right keeps telling us we're overtaxed

oh. you're lying about that.

moron

Reply:
Moron? We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem! The
government requires excess wages in any government contract. Not what
the market can support, and then taxes the rest of the people to enforce
the excess payments. Living Wage! **** that! Pay what the job is worth.
Minimum wage should be for those starting out with little skills. After
10 years in the workforce, there should be no minimum wage required. If
you can not produce more than the MW you would earn, then you are not
worth hiring. I do not care if it was Right or Left who overspent. And
both parties did the overspending. Both parties have caused inflation
over the last 30 years. When Nixon instituted wage and price controls
the inflation rate was an unacceptable 3.3%. Over the last 30 years we
have exceeded 4.8% a year rate. 1980 a mid level engineer, with a
college degree made about $22k-23k a year. Now that is poverty level. We
have inflated wages so much we have priced ourselves out of most
manufacturing jobs. UAW built crap cars and not caring about the
quality, drove buyers to foreign cars. Better quality for the same
price. Was also management, but the workers did not help. Management
should have been fired also. They assemble them here with lower cost
workers. Screwed the UAW workers for being overpaid, underworked,
careless workers. Same in a lot of other industries. All that deficit
spending, is hurting the country in a couple of ways. Serious hurting!
Inflating the US dollar to make us less competitive, and sucking up most
of the capitol available to loan. Where is business who needs capitol to
start of expand, going to get that capitol? Every business in the
country is cutting back on employees and spending. Except for the US
Federal Government. They have added 36,000 more employees and increased
wages for most of the government employees. Raise taxes all you want,
but without meaningful spending cuts, we are doomed. We need at least a
$1.5 trillion dollar cut in spending, not a pathetic $36 Billion cut.
Less than a percent. We also need to scrap the requirement to pay
prevailing wages as now defined. The definition seems to be whatever the
highest union negotiated wage is, not what is prevailing as paid in the
industry. We need to allow companies to fire union workers who are
incompetent a lot easier. Sure the union can protect workers from unjust
termination, but a person drunk on the job, should be fired. Not have a
court rule you have to keep them on the payroll. Happened to the SF Muni
transit district. Drunk bus driver. They were required to pay him back
wages and reinstate him in the job. A drunk bus driver!
Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to
stop the deficit. May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending
cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at
wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot
of the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell
it to towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not
enough tax revenues available to rescue us.


For the bits I get, congress is having a hard time getting Obama to cut
$2 trillion in 10 years. Obama's idea is let it be the next presidents
issue. The man has destroyed USA with debt.

Fact is if DC can't do 1.6 trillion/year cuts starting right now, I will
take the liquidation/tax bath on my last US account that I have and just
exit US altogether. There is already signs of a small currency run
going, USD is down in value again this week.

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Moron? We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem! The
government requires excess wages in any government contract. Not what the
market can support, and then taxes the rest of the people to enforce the
excess payments. Living Wage! **** that! Pay what the job is worth.
Minimum wage should be for those starting out with little skills. After 10
years in the workforce, there should be no minimum wage required. If you
can not produce more than the MW you would earn, then you are not worth
hiring. I do not care if it was Right or Left who overspent. And both
parties did the overspending. Both parties have caused inflation over the
last 30 years. When Nixon instituted wage and price controls the inflation
rate was an unacceptable 3.3%. Over the last 30 years we have exceeded 4.8%
a year rate. 1980 a mid level engineer, with a college degree made about
$22k-23k a year. Now that is poverty level. We have inflated wages so much
we have priced ourselves out of most manufacturing jobs. UAW built crap
cars and not caring about the quality, drove buyers to foreign cars. Better
quality for the same price. Was also management, but the workers did not
help. Management should have been fired also. They assemble them here with
lower cost workers. Screwed the UAW workers for being overpaid,
underworked, careless workers. Same in a lot of other industries. All that
deficit spending, is hurting the country in a couple of ways. Serious
hurting! Inflating the US dollar to make us less competitive, and sucking
up most of the capitol available to loan. Where is business who needs
capitol to start of expand, going to get that capitol? Every business in
the country is cutting back on employees and spending. Except for the US
Federal Government. They have added 36,000 more employees and increased
wages for most of the government employees. Raise taxes all you want, but
without meaningful spending cuts, we are doomed. We need at least a $1.5
trillion dollar cut in spending, not a pathetic $36 Billion cut. Less than
a percent. We also need to scrap the requirement to pay prevailing wages as
now defined. The definition seems to be whatever the highest union
negotiated wage is, not what is prevailing as paid in the industry. We need
to allow companies to fire union workers who are incompetent a lot easier.
Sure the union can protect workers from unjust termination, but a person
drunk on the job, should be fired. Not have a court rule you have to keep
them on the payroll. Happened to the SF Muni transit district. Drunk bus
driver. They were required to pay him back wages and reinstate him in the
job. A drunk bus driver!
Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to
stop the deficit. May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending
cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at
wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot of
the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell it to
towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not enough
tax revenues available to rescue us.


Well said. But, the one to whom you replied doesn't have enough sense to understand it.
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