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On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:56:05 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message ... On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:48:18 -0400, L G wrote: wf3h wrote: On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:10:06 -0400, L wrote: ****ing IDIOT http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...10-taxes_N.htm am i EVER wrong? no. YOU guys are IDIOTS So, in your small mind, you associate the size of the US government with the tax revenue it collects? You aren't only blind, you are a moron, Bobbie! gee. someone's gotta pay for it. how's the GOP doing in tax cutting? any specifics? oh. none. the right keeps telling us we're overtaxed oh. you're lying about that. moron Reply: Moron? We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem! OK he starts with a typical right wing cliche. we DIDNT have a spending problem until conservatives cut taxes and got us into a war...NONE of which they paid for. but his solution is to bankrupt the middle class. The government requires excess wages in any government contract. meaningless. where's the proof this has ANY bearing on the deficit. you right wingers BORROW AND SPEND. conservatives are the BIGGEST SPENDERS IN HISTORY Not what the market can support, and then taxes the rest of the people to enforce the excess payments. notice he ignores the FACT that US taxes are the lowest in SIXTY YEARS. yep. SIXTY YEARS so far we have cliches, lies and right wing bull****. Living Wage! **** that! Pay what the job is worth. Minimum wage should be for those starting out with little skills. proof that minimum wage has had ANY effect on the economy? none. none at all...BUT wall street went from 20% of GDP to FOURTY PERCENT OF GDP between 1997 and 2007 HE IGNORES THAT. THAT destroyed our economy...NOT the minimum wage...but, like the right wing moron he is, he cant blame the rich so he blames the WORKING POOR We have inflated wages so much we have priced ourselves out of most manufacturing jobs. UAW built crap cars and not caring about the quality, drove buyers to foreign cars. Better quality for the same price. Was also management, but the workers did not help. Management should have been fired also. They assemble them here with lower cost workers. Screwed the UAW workers for being overpaid, we have no unions in the US and countries, like SWEDEN and GERMANY with STRONG UNIONS OUTPERFORM THE US in manufacturing but he ignores that. see a pattern here? blame the worker blame the poor dont...under ANY circumstances...blame the rich. never. ever ever ever. right wing bull****. Every business in the country is cutting back on employees and spending. Except for the US Federal Government. They have added 36,000 more employees and increased wages for most of the government employees. well let's look at the number of federal employees, shall we? the best way to measure this is in number of employees divided by the population since this accounts for population growth. and here's what we find: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fed...ers_are_t.html oh, dear. the right winger is ****ed again. obama has DROPPED the number of employees per capita, vs bush!! so this means the right winger is full of ****, right? you bet! Raise taxes all you want, but without meaningful spending cuts, we are doomed. We need at least a $1.5 trillion dollar cut in spending, not a pathetic $36 Billion cut. Less than a percent. gee. obama is willing to cut entitlements. he's proposed cuts to social security and medicare but the right wing is hell bent on ensuring the rich stay rich so wont raise taxes We also need to scrap the requirement to pay prevailing wages as now defined. why? proof this will have ANY effect on the deficit? none. but it DOES **** the american worker. and THAT is the whole goal of the right The definition seems to be whatever the highest union negotiated wage is, not what is prevailing as paid in the industry. proof that unions are bad for america? none. in fact the countries with strongest unions have the best manufacturing We need to allow companies to fire union workers who are incompetent a lot easier. unemployment is at record highs. what is firing MORE workers going to do? but this ****s more workers Sure the union can protect workers from unjust termination, but a person drunk on the job, should be fired. there are no unions in america. america has the lowest percentage of workers in unions than any western country but this continues the right's goal of ****ing the last vestiges of any american worker Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to stop the deficit. so he obsesses over non existent unions minimum wage workers and completely ignores the wealthy who've ****ed this country blind in the last 3 years. yep. right wing bull**** all the way what a ****ING IDIOT May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot of the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell it to towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not enough tax revenues available to rescue us. he thinks we can balance the budget on the backs of minimum wage workers!! HAHAHAHAHAH |
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:48:26 -0400, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:11:56 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: On 11/07/2011 10:35 AM, Califbill wrote: "Harryk" wrote in message ... During the Clinton years, when taxes on the wealthy were a bit higher, we had a budgetary surplus. Bush cut those slightly higher taxes on the wealthy and now we have deficits. D'oh. Clinton didn't have to service 9.7 trillion plus Obama-debt..... can he name the debt? nope. can he tell us what obama did? nope but he knows obama's black... Sure, go for the wealthy, but in reality they are the ones investing the cash return they get into job producing investments so even few job creating investments will be made. more cliches and bull**** in lieu of evidence. capital gains today are as low as they've been in history. how's that working out? we at full employment? nope. the trickle down bull**** that causes the right wing to suck the cocks of the rich like a baby suck its mom's tits is a wonder to behold. the rich arent doing **** for america right now except sittling on piles of cash. the middle class bailed out the rich and the rich repaid us by laying us off and sitting on the money but the right wing ignores this. Hey, delinquent debtors and unions don't invest. And also know it reduces their future income tax. And wealthy to Obama is about anyone with a job and money. america has no unions. canuck sits in canada, with govt healthcare and more unions than the US has and canada's economy is healthier than the US. but he ignores that. more right wing bull**** So with this wealth tax put back, how does Obama come up with the rest, still a $1.5 trillion deficit. Still no where close to a balanced budget. and where is the GOP balanced budget? oh. there isnt one. Your average American has no clue what is about to happen to the USD. nor do you kluxer clown. ..he US government to fit revenue. Spend less than they rake in. Real money is gold, China and India now convert most of the cash to precious metals and not increasing the USD hold. USD is now failing as a world reserve currency. Only thing lacking is an alternative and the USD will become toilet paper. china is now having its own inflation problems. and the canadian dollar...with socialized medicine and strong unions is healthier than right wing free market america Get it right.. Obama is 1/2 black, and Knuckles would run screaming if he saw a 1/2 black in his neighborhood. He lives in a pure white-trash district. |
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 15:15:41 -0700, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:48:26 -0400, wf3h wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:11:56 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: Get it right.. Obama is 1/2 black, and Knuckles would run screaming if he saw a 1/2 black in his neighborhood. He lives in a pure white-trash district. wonder if he only wears 1/2 a hood when he talks about obama... |
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On 11/07/2011 12:16 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 7/11/11 2:11 PM, Canuck57 wrote: Sure, go for the wealthy, but in reality they are the ones investing the cash return they get into job producing investments so even few job creating investments will be made. They're not investing, moron. They are hoarding their cash. Yep, I know, I am one of them. Why invest in a depreciating economy, in a depreciating currency, depreciating purchasing power, with hyper-taxation greed coming and fight with union idiots wanting a big raise so I loose money...... when I can just buy oil, gold, even from my US IRA? You don't get it, government isn't the answer, they are the problem. Be dammed if I invest to loose money to the greedy. Show me win-win that is credible....and I will be there. Otherwise the fleabags can screw themselves. Just was reading an interesting article on how the USA is going down. A huge currency devaluation is in the works. It is not if but when. USA has passed the tipping point. At some point, debt or no more debt USD will devalue at least to 1/2 its current value in a short period. -- Now the real war is on Obama-debt, to save America's future. And do it for your kids sake....and ignore the selfish fleabags... |
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 18:19:03 -0400, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 15:15:41 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:48:26 -0400, wf3h wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:11:56 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: Get it right.. Obama is 1/2 black, and Knuckles would run screaming if he saw a 1/2 black in his neighborhood. He lives in a pure white-trash district. wonder if he only wears 1/2 a hood when he talks about obama... Nah, it's the full hood, but one eye is covered up, so his brain only gets half the input. Either that or he has it on backwards. |
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On 11/07/2011 3:48 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:11:56 -0600, wrote: On 11/07/2011 10:35 AM, Califbill wrote: "Harryk" wrote in message ... During the Clinton years, when taxes on the wealthy were a bit higher, we had a budgetary surplus. Bush cut those slightly higher taxes on the wealthy and now we have deficits. D'oh. Clinton didn't have to service 9.7 trillion plus Obama-debt..... can he name the debt? nope. can he tell us what obama did? nope but he knows obama's black... Sure, go for the wealthy, but in reality they are the ones investing the cash return they get into job producing investments so even few job creating investments will be made. more cliches and bull**** in lieu of evidence. capital gains today are as low as they've been in history. how's that working out? we at full employment? nope. the trickle down bull**** that causes the right wing to suck the cocks of the rich like a baby suck its mom's tits is a wonder to behold. the rich arent doing **** for america right now except sittling on piles of cash. the middle class bailed out the rich and the rich repaid us by laying us off and sitting on the money but the right wing ignores this. Hey, delinquent debtors and unions don't invest. And also know it reduces their future income tax. And wealthy to Obama is about anyone with a job and money. america has no unions. canuck sits in canada, with govt healthcare and more unions than the US has and canada's economy is healthier than the US. but he ignores that. more right wing bull**** So with this wealth tax put back, how does Obama come up with the rest, still a $1.5 trillion deficit. Still no where close to a balanced budget. and where is the GOP balanced budget? oh. there isnt one. Your average American has no clue what is about to happen to the USD. nor do you kluxer clown. ..he US government to fit revenue. Spend less than they rake in. Real money is gold, China and India now convert most of the cash to precious metals and not increasing the USD hold. USD is now failing as a world reserve currency. Only thing lacking is an alternative and the USD will become toilet paper. china is now having its own inflation problems. and the canadian dollar...with socialized medicine and strong unions is healthier than right wing free market america Yep. China is far better run economically than the US. US is into too much fiat ponzi debt fraud. -- Now the real war is on Obama-debt, to save America's future. And do it for your kids sake....and ignore the selfish fleabags... |
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:37:44 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 11/07/2011 12:16 PM, Harryk wrote: On 7/11/11 2:11 PM, Canuck57 wrote: Sure, go for the wealthy, but in reality they are the ones investing the cash return they get into job producing investments so even few job creating investments will be made. They're not investing, moron. They are hoarding their cash. Yep, I know, I am one of them. Why invest in a depreciating economy, yeah. invest in canada. socialized medicine. strong unions. strong dollar compared to the free market in the US and your bull**** is all wrong, of course in a depreciating currency, depreciating purchasing power, with hyper-taxation greed coming and fight with union idiots wanting a big raise so I loose money...... when I can just buy oil, gold, even from my US IRA? AHAHAHAH unions...we have none! canada? lots guess which economy is stonger? You don't get it, government isn't the answer, they are the problem. except canada has more unions and more 'socialism' than the free market US as does sweden. both economies are doing better than the free market US the US is where the right wing gets to try all its bull**** theories about how destroying the middle class makes a country great |
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On 11/07/2011 1:56 PM, Califbill wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message ... On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:48:18 -0400, L G wrote: wf3h wrote: On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:10:06 -0400, L wrote: the govt is the smallest it's been in 60 years. to the right that's too big since it means they can still examine wall street Post proof or retract. you really are ****ing stupid, aren't you? you right wngers have NO ****ing idea about you views, what the facts are, etc. you just have your cliches and that's it ****ing IDIOT http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...10-taxes_N.htm am i EVER wrong? no. YOU guys are IDIOTS So, in your small mind, you associate the size of the US government with the tax revenue it collects? You aren't only blind, you are a moron, Bobbie! gee. someone's gotta pay for it. how's the GOP doing in tax cutting? any specifics? oh. none. the right keeps telling us we're overtaxed oh. you're lying about that. moron Reply: Moron? We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem! The government requires excess wages in any government contract. Not what the market can support, and then taxes the rest of the people to enforce the excess payments. Living Wage! **** that! Pay what the job is worth. Minimum wage should be for those starting out with little skills. After 10 years in the workforce, there should be no minimum wage required. If you can not produce more than the MW you would earn, then you are not worth hiring. I do not care if it was Right or Left who overspent. And both parties did the overspending. Both parties have caused inflation over the last 30 years. When Nixon instituted wage and price controls the inflation rate was an unacceptable 3.3%. Over the last 30 years we have exceeded 4.8% a year rate. 1980 a mid level engineer, with a college degree made about $22k-23k a year. Now that is poverty level. We have inflated wages so much we have priced ourselves out of most manufacturing jobs. UAW built crap cars and not caring about the quality, drove buyers to foreign cars. Better quality for the same price. Was also management, but the workers did not help. Management should have been fired also. They assemble them here with lower cost workers. Screwed the UAW workers for being overpaid, underworked, careless workers. Same in a lot of other industries. All that deficit spending, is hurting the country in a couple of ways. Serious hurting! Inflating the US dollar to make us less competitive, and sucking up most of the capitol available to loan. Where is business who needs capitol to start of expand, going to get that capitol? Every business in the country is cutting back on employees and spending. Except for the US Federal Government. They have added 36,000 more employees and increased wages for most of the government employees. Raise taxes all you want, but without meaningful spending cuts, we are doomed. We need at least a $1.5 trillion dollar cut in spending, not a pathetic $36 Billion cut. Less than a percent. We also need to scrap the requirement to pay prevailing wages as now defined. The definition seems to be whatever the highest union negotiated wage is, not what is prevailing as paid in the industry. We need to allow companies to fire union workers who are incompetent a lot easier. Sure the union can protect workers from unjust termination, but a person drunk on the job, should be fired. Not have a court rule you have to keep them on the payroll. Happened to the SF Muni transit district. Drunk bus driver. They were required to pay him back wages and reinstate him in the job. A drunk bus driver! Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to stop the deficit. May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot of the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell it to towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not enough tax revenues available to rescue us. For the bits I get, congress is having a hard time getting Obama to cut $2 trillion in 10 years. Obama's idea is let it be the next presidents issue. The man has destroyed USA with debt. Fact is if DC can't do 1.6 trillion/year cuts starting right now, I will take the liquidation/tax bath on my last US account that I have and just exit US altogether. There is already signs of a small currency run going, USD is down in value again this week. -- Now the real war is on Obama-debt, to save America's future. And do it for your kids sake....and ignore the selfish fleabags... |
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:56:05 -0700, "Califbill" wrote:
Reply: Moron? We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem! The government requires excess wages in any government contract. Not what the market can support, and then taxes the rest of the people to enforce the excess payments. Living Wage! **** that! Pay what the job is worth. Minimum wage should be for those starting out with little skills. After 10 years in the workforce, there should be no minimum wage required. If you can not produce more than the MW you would earn, then you are not worth hiring. I do not care if it was Right or Left who overspent. And both parties did the overspending. Both parties have caused inflation over the last 30 years. When Nixon instituted wage and price controls the inflation rate was an unacceptable 3.3%. Over the last 30 years we have exceeded 4.8% a year rate. 1980 a mid level engineer, with a college degree made about $22k-23k a year. Now that is poverty level. We have inflated wages so much we have priced ourselves out of most manufacturing jobs. UAW built crap cars and not caring about the quality, drove buyers to foreign cars. Better quality for the same price. Was also management, but the workers did not help. Management should have been fired also. They assemble them here with lower cost workers. Screwed the UAW workers for being overpaid, underworked, careless workers. Same in a lot of other industries. All that deficit spending, is hurting the country in a couple of ways. Serious hurting! Inflating the US dollar to make us less competitive, and sucking up most of the capitol available to loan. Where is business who needs capitol to start of expand, going to get that capitol? Every business in the country is cutting back on employees and spending. Except for the US Federal Government. They have added 36,000 more employees and increased wages for most of the government employees. Raise taxes all you want, but without meaningful spending cuts, we are doomed. We need at least a $1.5 trillion dollar cut in spending, not a pathetic $36 Billion cut. Less than a percent. We also need to scrap the requirement to pay prevailing wages as now defined. The definition seems to be whatever the highest union negotiated wage is, not what is prevailing as paid in the industry. We need to allow companies to fire union workers who are incompetent a lot easier. Sure the union can protect workers from unjust termination, but a person drunk on the job, should be fired. Not have a court rule you have to keep them on the payroll. Happened to the SF Muni transit district. Drunk bus driver. They were required to pay him back wages and reinstate him in the job. A drunk bus driver! Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to stop the deficit. May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot of the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell it to towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not enough tax revenues available to rescue us. Well said. But, the one to whom you replied doesn't have enough sense to understand it. |
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