On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:44:17 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 14/07/2011 1:04 AM, Califbill wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message ...

On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:56:05 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"wf3h" wrote in message
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:48:18 -0400, L G wrote:

wf3h wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:10:06 -0400, L wrote:


****ing IDIOT

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...10-taxes_N.htm

am i EVER wrong? no.

YOU guys are IDIOTS

So, in your small mind, you associate the size of the US government with
the tax revenue it collects? You aren't only blind, you are a moron,
Bobbie!

gee. someone's gotta pay for it. how's the GOP doing in tax cutting?
any specifics?

oh. none. the right keeps telling us we're overtaxed

oh. you're lying about that.

moron

Reply:
Moron? We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem!

OK he starts with a typical right wing cliche.

we DIDNT have a spending problem until conservatives cut taxes and got
us into a war...NONE of which they paid for.

but his solution is to bankrupt the middle class.

The
government requires excess wages in any government contract.

meaningless. where's the proof this has ANY bearing on the deficit.
you right wingers BORROW AND SPEND. conservatives are the BIGGEST
SPENDERS IN HISTORY

Not what the
market can support, and then taxes the rest of the people to enforce the
excess payments.

notice he ignores the FACT that US taxes are the lowest in

SIXTY YEARS. yep. SIXTY YEARS

so far we have cliches, lies and right wing bull****.


Living Wage! **** that! Pay what the job is worth.
Minimum wage should be for those starting out with little skills.

proof that minimum wage has had ANY effect on the economy?

none. none at all...BUT

wall street went from 20% of GDP to FOURTY PERCENT OF GDP between 1997
and 2007

HE IGNORES THAT. THAT destroyed our economy...NOT the minimum
wage...but, like the right wing moron he is, he cant blame the rich so
he blames the WORKING POOR


We have inflated wages so much
we have priced ourselves out of most manufacturing jobs. UAW built crap
cars and not caring about the quality, drove buyers to foreign cars.
Better
quality for the same price. Was also management, but the workers did not
help. Management should have been fired also. They assemble them here
with
lower cost workers. Screwed the UAW workers for being overpaid,

we have no unions in the US and countries, like SWEDEN and GERMANY
with STRONG UNIONS OUTPERFORM THE US in manufacturing

but he ignores that.

see a pattern here?

blame the worker

blame the poor

dont...under ANY circumstances...blame the rich. never. ever ever
ever.

right wing bull****.

Every business in
the country is cutting back on employees and spending. Except for the US
Federal Government. They have added 36,000 more employees and increased
wages for most of the government employees.

well let's look at the number of federal employees, shall we? the best
way to measure this is in number of employees divided by the
population since this accounts for population growth. and here's what
we find:


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fed...ers_are_t.html


oh, dear. the right winger is ****ed again. obama has DROPPED the
number of employees per capita, vs bush!!

so this means the right winger is full of ****, right?

you bet!

Raise taxes all you want, but
without meaningful spending cuts, we are doomed. We need at least a $1.5
trillion dollar cut in spending, not a pathetic $36 Billion cut. Less
than
a percent.

gee. obama is willing to cut entitlements. he's proposed cuts to
social security and medicare

but the right wing is hell bent on ensuring the rich stay rich so wont
raise taxes


We also need to scrap the requirement to pay prevailing wages as
now defined.

why? proof this will have ANY effect on the deficit?

none. but it DOES **** the american worker. and THAT is the whole goal
of the right

The definition seems to be whatever the highest union
negotiated wage is, not what is prevailing as paid in the industry.

proof that unions are bad for america? none. in fact the countries
with strongest unions have the best manufacturing


We need
to allow companies to fire union workers who are incompetent a lot
easier.

unemployment is at record highs. what is firing MORE workers going to
do?

but this ****s more workers

Sure the union can protect workers from unjust termination, but a person
drunk on the job, should be fired.

there are no unions in america. america has the lowest percentage of
workers in unions than any western country

but this continues the right's goal of ****ing the last vestiges of
any american worker




Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to
stop the deficit.

so he obsesses over

non existent unions
minimum wage workers

and completely ignores the wealthy who've ****ed this country blind in
the last 3 years.

yep. right wing bull**** all the way

what a ****ING IDIOT


May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending
cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at
wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a
lot of
the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell
it to
towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not enough
tax revenues available to rescue us.

he thinks we can balance the budget on the backs of minimum wage
workers!!

HAHAHAHAHAH


Reply:
Freaking moron! You have zero knowledge of econ 101. Why you are crying
the blues about your finances. We can balance the budget buy cutting
spending. By at least 1.5 Trillion bucks. Those farmers making $990 an
acre foot profit on water are not minimum wage. Those Hedge fund
managers making $400 million a year and getting it as a 15% dividend are
no minimum wage. I said kill the minimum wage for any worker in the
workforce 10 years. If you can not earn more than MW after that time,
you do not deserve MW. Maybe that is your problem. Could not earn enough
for the employer for them to keep paying you.

Yep. I think fleabag math missed that when lowering interest rates it
lso allowed for companies to make less and keep shareholders happy. 0%
rates and a 3% profit isn't as taxable as say 6% rates and 9% earnings.
Like I have always said, the 2006 democrat congress adopting low
interest rates was the wrong thing to do. They cut their revenue
throats literally. All for the greed of fraud low interest rates and
perceived preservation of big fat government.

Wasn't jsut companies. If you have a million in the retirement fund and
get 6% interest rates or big dividends you pay taxes. Guess what? at
sub 1% interest rates and less than 2% dividend yields you don't pay
much if any taxes.

2006 democrats, Obama and Bernanke plainly put the gun to governments
head and blew it away.

It is so incompetent that it must be deliberate. Is this an intentional
decimation of the US economy? I have to ask as my investment buddies
all were on to this in 2008. How long does it take for Obama idiot to
figure it out?

Start by cutting military spending by 65%, medicare/medicated by 40%,
welfare, what is that? Bailout no more. If bailouts are needed, jail
cells await. Target governemt to reduce payrool by 50%, may include
wage roll backs, caps, jb sharing whatever, but in 4 months, 50%
reduction in payroll. Michelle can go from 50+ hairdressers to 1.

USA needs to pray for a president with some economic savvy and some
guts. Might I suggest a woman who has managed a household budget? Fast
track butt kissers with jive talking big mouths don't seem to make the
grade.

2006??? 2008??? That would be GWB moron.

On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:30:23 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 14/07/2011 1:10 AM, Califbill wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message ...

On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:50:10 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 11/07/2011 1:56 PM, Califbill wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:48:18 -0400, L G wrote:

wf3h wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:10:06 -0400, L wrote:



For the bits I get, congress is having a hard time getting Obama to cut
$2 trillion in 10 years. Obama's idea is let it be the next presidents
issue. The man has destroyed USA with debt.


HAHAHAHA WRONG. what horsehit you kluxers spout. obama AGREED TO CUT
EVERYTHING

defense
medicare
social security

EVERYTHING

but the right wing said no tax increase

WHAT A ****ING LIAR YOU ARE!


Reply:
Obama has been a disaster as to economics. He his clueless as a leader.
He ignored the debt commission report in 2010. State of the union
speech, he did not even mention the economy for the first 35 minutes. He
was arguing about $36 billion in cuts earlier this year. He is proposing
no cuts now, but a 10 year plan. And most of those cuts are after he is
out of office. We need cuts now! Every other business and government
entity in the country except the Fed's have cut jobs. Obama led Federal
employment is up 36,000. The small, open government he promised has not
arrived. And does not even seem to be moving that way.

Ya, I remember Obama's $36 billion in cuts and I fell off my chair
laughing. I could not believe the stupidity and the arrogance of the idiot.

What Obama is trying to do with hs pure greed for power is shift it over
to the next president or after 2012, but the markets are right clear on
this, now or face the consequences. I just watched the USD take a huge
drop on the Yuan. The USD is being devalued. As without stopping
Bernanke currency fraud, the USD will loose value fast. And if that
goes too far, USA is economic toast. Yes, it devalues debt, but also
devalues taxable wages and incomes, spending will dry up, people will
have to buy less and deeper we go into the depression.

Bottom line, if USA does not balance the governments budgets by the end
of the year, USA will like USSR take some decades to recover.

It may seem counter productive, but raising interest rates to soak up
the excessive money print is a reality DC is in big denial off.
Government needs to borrow real money or go under. It also says to
companies realize more profit that is taxable and raises revenue. Yes,
the low interest rates are causing government revenue problems. But get
a fleabagger debtor to acknowledge that fact.

Amazing the government greed in this. Government is screwing the entire
nation and world of USD holders on the myth that you can debt-spend your
way out of a debt problem.

Obama clearly needs to resign. He has ****ed America with debt.

You need to get back on your meds, so you don't fall out of your
chair.

On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:57:39 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 14/07/2011 1:15 AM, Califbill wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message ...

On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:24:21 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 12/07/2011 5:22 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:58:42 -0600,
wrote:

On 11/07/2011 6:34 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:51:48 -0400, John
wrote:
Well said. But, the one to whom you replied doesn't have enough
sense to understand it.

if you believe a single word that bull****ter said you're a flat lined
moron

Like he said, you are too stupid to understand it.


says the guy who thinks wall street was great for america

You just don't get it. Wall Street is like a open market store. Where
buyers and sellers meet. Not more, no less.

you just dont get it do you. wall street is where they invent opaque
unquantifiable debt, trade it, then, when it goes belly up, we pay

you're a ****ing moron

You are just a plain dumb****. No wonder your broke.

yeah. tell me again how wall street just made a 10 trillion dollar
mistake and that's great for the economy

asshole


Reply:
No we paid for the opaque unquantifiable debt because Obama and the Sec
of Treasury and the Fed Chairman, who all come out of those big
financial houses got the Congress and Executive branch to take over all
that bad paper. Other than that, investors who made bad investments and
the houses who sold them would have taken the bath. But just like GM,
the Federal government took all the debt off them and saddled the US
taxpayer with them. this allowed GoldmanSackus, etc. to make recore
profits during this recession.

The real benefactors of corrupt auto bailout were Carlye Group and
Cerberus. Both being private equity for billionarire and US-Euro-Saudi
elite. While American born, I hope people don't think Hilary's aid is
devout Saudi-Muslim raised is a coincidence.

You know the real people pulling the strings here are as corrupt as it
gets and Obama just caters to it. Bailouts == corruption does not mater
how you cut it.

You don't have to cater to the stupid crowd. You are stupid already.

I_am_Tosk wrote:
In articleftWdnUysEOt0j4TTnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@giganews. com,
says...

wf3h wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:10:06 -0400, L wrote:



wf3h wrote:


On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 10:12:15 -0600,
wrote:




I see Obama made more progress in destroying the USA.... the last ee
shuttle launched today. Yep, rather bailout GM losers, banks and pad
corrupt buddies but not keep the only peaceful science thing the
government does. Reward incompetence and screw the advancement to space.ou



funny you should say that since he's just choosing the options the
right has left him. it's dawning on them they have destroyed the
country




Hey, people would have gotten raises but check out how instead of seeing
it in the pay check, employment taxes have gone up for the last 30 years
to fuel bigger, fatter, more expensive government. Governemnt gets
bigger, people get smaller.



the govt is the smallest it's been in 60 years. to the right that's
too big since it means they can still examine wall street



Post proof or retract.


you really are ****ing stupid, aren't you? you right wngers have NO
****ing idea about you views, what the facts are, etc. you just have
your cliches and that's it

****ing IDIOT

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...10-taxes_N.htm

am i EVER wrong? no.

YOU guys are IDIOTS


So, in your small mind, you associate the size of the US government with
the tax revenue it collects? You aren't only blind, you are a moron,
Bobbie!

Hey, but he called you a bunch of names and wrote it like a four year
old...


It's expected from Bob.

wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:48:18 -0400, L wrote:


wf3h wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:10:06 -0400, L wrote:





the govt is the smallest it's been in 60 years. to the right that's
too big since it means they can still examine wall street



Post proof or retract.


you really are ****ing stupid, aren't you? you right wngers have NO
****ing idea about you views, what the facts are, etc. you just have
your cliches and that's it

****ing IDIOT

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...10-taxes_N.htm

am i EVER wrong? no.

YOU guys are IDIOTS


So, in your small mind, you associate the size of the US government with
the tax revenue it collects? You aren't only blind, you are a moron,
Bobbie!

gee. someone's gotta pay for it. how's the GOP doing in tax cutting?
any specifics?

oh. none. the right keeps telling us we're overtaxed

oh. you're lying about that.

moron


At least they have come forward with real plans that can work. What did
BHO and his party do when they had the majority? NOTHING...

Harryk wrote:
On 7/10/11 12:55 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 10/07/2011 9:38 AM, wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:23:22 -0600,
wrote:

On 08/07/2011 7:38 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:10:06 -0400, L wrote:

wf3h wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 10:12:15 -0600,
wrote:

the govt is the smallest it's been in 60 years. to the right that's
too big since it means they can still examine wall street

Post proof or retract.

you really are ****ing stupid, aren't you? you right wngers have NO
****ing idea about you views, what the facts are, etc. you just have
your cliches and that's it

****ing IDIOT

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...10-taxes_N.htm

am i EVER wrong? no.

YOU guys are IDIOTS

Because people are unemployed idiot. Your average household has much
less than 2/3rd the dollars coming in today than in 2006. Unless
your a
government civil servant that is, they just kept on growing.

so let's see. you lied about the level of taxes. that's no
surprise...you're right wing. you always lie. then you proved you
didn't know **** about taxes. no surprise there either. the right wing
doesnt know **** about taxes

Spoken like a envious gutter slug.

and the reason we dont have money in the US middle class? because in
the last 30 years the richest 1% have had a 500% pay increase. that's
where the money went.

How much did you save? Oh, you screwed it away on toys and are now
broke. Got it.

so you dont know **** about the economic profile of the US, taxes or
govt

no surprise. you're right wing

Conservative economics just works better. No ****. Told me to watch for
2008....while your liberal economic idiot deer were on the tracks in a
comatose state, staring at the freight train.

Going to get worse too. As government gets bigger, people get smaller.

gee. taxes are the lowest they've been in 60 years. you just admitted
that

now you forgot it. again. you're right wing alright

Taxes are low as people lost their jobs and unemployment is 1929 levels.
Unemployed without alternative sources of income don't pay taxes. They
are not lower for an individual that is working.



During the Clinton years, when taxes on the wealthy were a bit higher,
we had a budgetary surplus. Bush cut those slightly higher taxes on
the wealthy and now we have deficits. D'oh.

So Obama's rampant spending had nothing to do with the problem?

On 14/07/2011 5:59 PM, L G wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:48:18 -0400, L wrote:

wf3h wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:10:06 -0400, L wrote:



the govt is the smallest it's been in 60 years. to the right that's
too big since it means they can still examine wall street


Post proof or retract.

you really are ****ing stupid, aren't you? you right wngers have NO
****ing idea about you views, what the facts are, etc. you just have
your cliches and that's it

****ing IDIOT

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...10-taxes_N.htm

am i EVER wrong? no.

YOU guys are IDIOTS

So, in your small mind, you associate the size of the US government with
the tax revenue it collects? You aren't only blind, you are a moron,
Bobbie!
gee. someone's gotta pay for it. how's the GOP doing in tax cutting?
any specifics?

oh. none. the right keeps telling us we're overtaxed

oh. you're lying about that.

moron

At least they have come forward with real plans that can work. What did
BHO and his party do when they had the majority? NOTHING...

Less than nothing? Hell, they racked up over $4 trillion in debt in the
largest deficits is US history...

Going to submit Obama to the Guinness Book of records, the person that
has incurred the most debt ever in mankind's history. A Chronic
delinquent debtor.


--
While Bush blew up part of the US economy and started it,
Obama is working at blowing up the worlds economy with DEBT.
The road to wealth is not paved with debt.
The road paved with debt leads to poverty.
It is pure GREED that drives government debt.

On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:06:44 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 14/07/2011 5:59 PM, L G wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:48:18 -0400, L wrote:

wf3h wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:10:06 -0400, L wrote:



the govt is the smallest it's been in 60 years. to the right that's
too big since it means they can still examine wall street


Post proof or retract.

you really are ****ing stupid, aren't you? you right wngers have NO
****ing idea about you views, what the facts are, etc. you just have
your cliches and that's it

****ing IDIOT

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...10-taxes_N.htm

am i EVER wrong? no.

YOU guys are IDIOTS

So, in your small mind, you associate the size of the US government with
the tax revenue it collects? You aren't only blind, you are a moron,
Bobbie!
gee. someone's gotta pay for it. how's the GOP doing in tax cutting?
any specifics?

oh. none. the right keeps telling us we're overtaxed

oh. you're lying about that.

moron

At least they have come forward with real plans that can work. What did
BHO and his party do when they had the majority? NOTHING...

Less than nothing? Hell, they racked up over $4 trillion in debt in the
largest deficits is US history...

Going to submit Obama to the Guinness Book of records, the person that
has incurred the most debt ever in mankind's history. A Chronic
delinquent debtor.

The right's "real" plan is to let the President increase the debt
ceiling to stave off a financial nightmare scenario, then allow
Congress to not pass a resolution condemning the action.

On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 00:04:58 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"wf3h" wrote in message ...

May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending
cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at
wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot of
the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell it
to
towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not enough
tax revenues available to rescue us.

he thinks we can balance the budget on the backs of minimum wage
workers!!

HAHAHAHAHAH


Reply:
Freaking moron! You have zero knowledge of econ 101.

says the right wing liar



Why you are crying
the blues about your finances. We can balance the budget buy cutting
spending.

really? prove it asshole/

and why should the middle class pay for all the **** ups of the rich?


By at least 1.5 Trillion bucks. Those farmers making $990 an
acre foot profit on water are not minimum wage. Those Hedge fund managers
making $400 million a year and getting it as a 15% dividend are no minimum
wage.

**** em and tax em but the right wing says no


I said kill the minimum wage for any worker in the workforce 10
years. If you can not earn more than MW after that time, you do not deserve
MW. Maybe that is your problem. Could not earn enough for the employer for
them to keep paying you.

so **** the workers and socialism for the rich.

yep. you're an asshole alright

On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:44:17 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 14/07/2011 1:04 AM, Califbill wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message ...


HAHAHAHAHAH


Reply:
Freaking moron! You have zero knowledge of econ 101. Why you are crying
the blues about your finances. We can balance the budget buy cutting
spending. By at least 1.5 Trillion bucks. Those farmers making $990 an
acre foot profit on water are not minimum wage. Those Hedge fund
managers making $400 million a year and getting it as a 15% dividend are
no minimum wage. I said kill the minimum wage for any worker in the
workforce 10 years. If you can not earn more than MW after that time,
you do not deserve MW. Maybe that is your problem. Could not earn enough
for the employer for them to keep paying you.

Yep. I think fleabag math missed that when lowering interest rates it
lso allowed for companies to make less and keep shareholders happy. 0%
rates and a 3% profit isn't as taxable as say 6% rates and 9% earnings.
Like I have always said, the 2006 democrat congress adopting low
interest rates was the wrong thing to do. They cut their revenue
throats literally. All for the greed of fraud low interest rates and
perceived preservation of big fat government.

hey asshole. the biggest components of the deficit were the 2 tax cuts
for bush and the GOP, and bush's war

but bush is white...

he has NO idea where the deficit came from

but he knows the black ******* is responsible for it


Wasn't jsut companies. If you have a million in the retirement fund and
get 6% interest rates or big dividends you pay taxes. Guess what? at
sub 1% interest rates and less than 2% dividend yields you don't pay
much if any taxes.

gee. why are rates low?

because banks have all the money they need and aren't lending any.


2006 democrats, Obama and Bernanke plainly put the gun to governments
head and blew it away.

more klan talk


Start by cutting military spending by 65%

except the GOP has a pledge not to cut military spending. that's your
right wing buddies!


medicare/medicated by 40%,
welfare,

so **** the old folks so the rich can continue to be rich. the rich
got a 500% pay increase in the last 30 years and pay 15% in income tax

but **** the workers instead

yep. that's right wing

USA needs to pray for a president with some economic savvy and some
guts. Might I suggest a woman who has managed a household budget? Fast
track butt kissers with jive talking big mouths don't seem to make the
grade.

you're ecoomically illierate