On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:59:39 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

On 7/11/11 7:56 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 11/07/2011 1:58 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 7/11/11 3:56 PM, Califbill wrote:

Reply:
Moron? We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem!


GO talking points bull****. Nothing more.

Actually you have both.

Revenue is down as investing in the USA right now carries high
inflation, taxation and profitability risk, so much so not many are
making money. And inflation decreases the value. So new job creation
investment has dried up.

You can see this in 2006 tax revenue, today it is 2/3rds of 2006. Than
means your average business and personal income is less than 2/3rd in
real dollars over 2006. Hey, can't tax the 20% of real unemployed and
McJob replacements don't pay much taxes. But it is an Obamanation.

Spending, this too. If government can increase spending in one year by a
trillion, time to roll it back a trillion.

And by borrowing more with tax increases, many businesses are just going
to say f'k-it.


Did you even graduate from high school?

They wouldn't let him in because he was wearing his Klan hood
(backwards).

On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 18:10:19 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 11/07/2011 2:09 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:56:05 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"wf3h" wrote in message ...

On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:48:18 -0400, L wrote:

wf3h wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:10:06 -0400, L wrote:




the govt is the smallest it's been in 60 years. to the right that's
too big since it means they can still examine wall street


Post proof or retract.

you really are ****ing stupid, aren't you? you right wngers have NO
****ing idea about you views, what the facts are, etc. you just have
your cliches and that's it

****ing IDIOT

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...10-taxes_N.htm

am i EVER wrong? no.

YOU guys are IDIOTS

So, in your small mind, you associate the size of the US government with
the tax revenue it collects? You aren't only blind, you are a moron,
Bobbie!

gee. someone's gotta pay for it. how's the GOP doing in tax cutting?
any specifics?

oh. none. the right keeps telling us we're overtaxed

oh. you're lying about that.

moron

Reply:
Moron? We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem! The
government requires excess wages in any government contract. Not what the
market can support, and then taxes the rest of the people to enforce the
excess payments. Living Wage! **** that! Pay what the job is worth.
Minimum wage should be for those starting out with little skills. After 10
years in the workforce, there should be no minimum wage required. If you
can not produce more than the MW you would earn, then you are not worth
hiring. I do not care if it was Right or Left who overspent. And both
parties did the overspending. Both parties have caused inflation over the
last 30 years. When Nixon instituted wage and price controls the inflation
rate was an unacceptable 3.3%. Over the last 30 years we have exceeded 4.8%
a year rate. 1980 a mid level engineer, with a college degree made about
$22k-23k a year. Now that is poverty level. We have inflated wages so much
we have priced ourselves out of most manufacturing jobs. UAW built crap
cars and not caring about the quality, drove buyers to foreign cars. Better
quality for the same price. Was also management, but the workers did not
help. Management should have been fired also. They assemble them here with
lower cost workers. Screwed the UAW workers for being overpaid,
underworked, careless workers. Same in a lot of other industries. All that
deficit spending, is hurting the country in a couple of ways. Serious
hurting! Inflating the US dollar to make us less competitive, and sucking
up most of the capitol available to loan. Where is business who needs
capitol to start of expand, going to get that capitol? Every business in
the country is cutting back on employees and spending. Except for the US
Federal Government. They have added 36,000 more employees and increased
wages for most of the government employees. Raise taxes all you want, but
without meaningful spending cuts, we are doomed. We need at least a $1.5
trillion dollar cut in spending, not a pathetic $36 Billion cut. Less than
a percent. We also need to scrap the requirement to pay prevailing wages as
now defined. The definition seems to be whatever the highest union
negotiated wage is, not what is prevailing as paid in the industry. We need
to allow companies to fire union workers who are incompetent a lot easier.
Sure the union can protect workers from unjust termination, but a person
drunk on the job, should be fired. Not have a court rule you have to keep
them on the payroll. Happened to the SF Muni transit district. Drunk bus
driver. They were required to pay him back wages and reinstate him in the
job. A drunk bus driver!
Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to
stop the deficit. May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending
cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at
wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot of
the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell it to
towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not enough
tax revenues available to rescue us.

As usual, you can't even get simple facts right. Inflation had been
above 6% the above 4% when the controls when into effect. They soon
went to double-digit and the wage/price control method was thoroughly
debunked as a solution to inflation.

"Living Wage! **** that!" Well, that pretty much sums up your
attitude. **** everyone who isn't as well off as you and who cares if
they or their kids starve. After all, we're just like Somalia. NOT.

Fact is the US standard of living is getting a huge devaluation. A
byproduct of DEBT. Too much DEBT. The worship of DEBT is bad news. If
you have no debt and bought oil, gold, food, your preserving your wealth.

In the 70's inflation run from money print, real estate was good as the
taxation threat wasn't there. Today however the tax threat makes
real-estate a liability to cash flow that cannot pass on the cost to
renters or the like. So far too early to buy real estate, I see it
going down another 20% easy, maybe more.

The bigger government gets, the less people mater. The only question is
when will people in the USA realize the road to wealth is not paved with
DEBT.

Nope. It's a by-product of unchecked corporate greed moron.

On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:50:10 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 11/07/2011 1:56 PM, Califbill wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message ...

On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:48:18 -0400, L G wrote:

wf3h wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:10:06 -0400, L wrote:




the govt is the smallest it's been in 60 years. to the right that's
too big since it means they can still examine wall street


Post proof or retract.

you really are ****ing stupid, aren't you? you right wngers have NO
****ing idea about you views, what the facts are, etc. you just have
your cliches and that's it

****ing IDIOT

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...10-taxes_N.htm

am i EVER wrong? no.

YOU guys are IDIOTS

So, in your small mind, you associate the size of the US government with
the tax revenue it collects? You aren't only blind, you are a moron,
Bobbie!

gee. someone's gotta pay for it. how's the GOP doing in tax cutting?
any specifics?

oh. none. the right keeps telling us we're overtaxed

oh. you're lying about that.

moron

Reply:
Moron? We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem! The
government requires excess wages in any government contract. Not what
the market can support, and then taxes the rest of the people to enforce
the excess payments. Living Wage! **** that! Pay what the job is worth.
Minimum wage should be for those starting out with little skills. After
10 years in the workforce, there should be no minimum wage required. If
you can not produce more than the MW you would earn, then you are not
worth hiring. I do not care if it was Right or Left who overspent. And
both parties did the overspending. Both parties have caused inflation
over the last 30 years. When Nixon instituted wage and price controls
the inflation rate was an unacceptable 3.3%. Over the last 30 years we
have exceeded 4.8% a year rate. 1980 a mid level engineer, with a
college degree made about $22k-23k a year. Now that is poverty level. We
have inflated wages so much we have priced ourselves out of most
manufacturing jobs. UAW built crap cars and not caring about the
quality, drove buyers to foreign cars. Better quality for the same
price. Was also management, but the workers did not help. Management
should have been fired also. They assemble them here with lower cost
workers. Screwed the UAW workers for being overpaid, underworked,
careless workers. Same in a lot of other industries. All that deficit
spending, is hurting the country in a couple of ways. Serious hurting!
Inflating the US dollar to make us less competitive, and sucking up most
of the capitol available to loan. Where is business who needs capitol to
start of expand, going to get that capitol? Every business in the
country is cutting back on employees and spending. Except for the US
Federal Government. They have added 36,000 more employees and increased
wages for most of the government employees. Raise taxes all you want,
but without meaningful spending cuts, we are doomed. We need at least a
$1.5 trillion dollar cut in spending, not a pathetic $36 Billion cut.
Less than a percent. We also need to scrap the requirement to pay
prevailing wages as now defined. The definition seems to be whatever the
highest union negotiated wage is, not what is prevailing as paid in the
industry. We need to allow companies to fire union workers who are
incompetent a lot easier. Sure the union can protect workers from unjust
termination, but a person drunk on the job, should be fired. Not have a
court rule you have to keep them on the payroll. Happened to the SF Muni
transit district. Drunk bus driver. They were required to pay him back
wages and reinstate him in the job. A drunk bus driver!
Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to
stop the deficit. May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending
cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at
wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot
of the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell
it to towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not
enough tax revenues available to rescue us.

For the bits I get, congress is having a hard time getting Obama to cut
$2 trillion in 10 years. Obama's idea is let it be the next presidents
issue. The man has destroyed USA with debt.

Fact is if DC can't do 1.6 trillion/year cuts starting right now, I will
take the liquidation/tax bath on my last US account that I have and just
exit US altogether. There is already signs of a small currency run
going, USD is down in value again this week.

You're no man. I'm convinced of that. You wouldn't know a real man if
he bit you in the ankle.

On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:51:48 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:56:05 -0700, "Califbill" wrote:



Reply:
Moron? We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem! The
government requires excess wages in any government contract. Not what the
market can support, and then taxes the rest of the people to enforce the
excess payments. Living Wage! **** that! Pay what the job is worth.
Minimum wage should be for those starting out with little skills. After 10
years in the workforce, there should be no minimum wage required. If you
can not produce more than the MW you would earn, then you are not worth
hiring. I do not care if it was Right or Left who overspent. And both
parties did the overspending. Both parties have caused inflation over the
last 30 years. When Nixon instituted wage and price controls the inflation
rate was an unacceptable 3.3%. Over the last 30 years we have exceeded 4.8%
a year rate. 1980 a mid level engineer, with a college degree made about
$22k-23k a year. Now that is poverty level. We have inflated wages so much
we have priced ourselves out of most manufacturing jobs. UAW built crap
cars and not caring about the quality, drove buyers to foreign cars. Better
quality for the same price. Was also management, but the workers did not
help. Management should have been fired also. They assemble them here with
lower cost workers. Screwed the UAW workers for being overpaid,
underworked, careless workers. Same in a lot of other industries. All that
deficit spending, is hurting the country in a couple of ways. Serious
hurting! Inflating the US dollar to make us less competitive, and sucking
up most of the capitol available to loan. Where is business who needs
capitol to start of expand, going to get that capitol? Every business in
the country is cutting back on employees and spending. Except for the US
Federal Government. They have added 36,000 more employees and increased
wages for most of the government employees. Raise taxes all you want, but
without meaningful spending cuts, we are doomed. We need at least a $1.5
trillion dollar cut in spending, not a pathetic $36 Billion cut. Less than
a percent. We also need to scrap the requirement to pay prevailing wages as
now defined. The definition seems to be whatever the highest union
negotiated wage is, not what is prevailing as paid in the industry. We need
to allow companies to fire union workers who are incompetent a lot easier.
Sure the union can protect workers from unjust termination, but a person
drunk on the job, should be fired. Not have a court rule you have to keep
them on the payroll. Happened to the SF Muni transit district. Drunk bus
driver. They were required to pay him back wages and reinstate him in the
job. A drunk bus driver!
Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to
stop the deficit. May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending
cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at
wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot of
the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell it to
towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not enough
tax revenues available to rescue us.

Well said. But, the one to whom you replied doesn't have enough sense to understand it.

We should certainly listen to what an established liar has to say....

On Jul 11, 9:43*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:51:48 -0400, John H
wrote:









On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:56:05 -0700, "Califbill" wrote:

Reply:
Moron? *We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem! *The
government requires excess wages in any government contract. *Not what the
market can *support, and then taxes the rest of the people to enforce the
excess payments. *Living Wage! ***** that! *Pay what the job is worth.
Minimum wage should be for those starting out with little skills. *After 10
years in the workforce, there should be no minimum wage required. *If you
can not produce more than the MW you would earn, then you are not worth
hiring. *I do not care if it was Right or Left who overspent. *And both
parties did the overspending. *Both parties have caused inflation over the
last 30 years. *When Nixon instituted wage and price controls the inflation
rate was an unacceptable 3.3%. *Over the last 30 years we have exceeded 4.8%
a year rate. *1980 a mid level engineer, with a college degree made about
$22k-23k a year. *Now that is poverty level. *We have inflated wages so much
we have priced ourselves out of most manufacturing jobs. *UAW built crap
cars and not caring about the quality, drove buyers to foreign cars. *Better
quality for the same price. *Was also management, but the workers did not
help. *Management should have been fired also. *They assemble them here with
lower cost workers. *Screwed the UAW workers for being overpaid,
underworked, careless workers. *Same in a lot of other industries. *All that
deficit spending, is hurting the country in a couple of ways. *Serious
hurting! *Inflating the US dollar to make us less competitive, and sucking
up most of the capitol available to loan. *Where is business who needs
capitol to start of expand, going to get that capitol? *Every business in
the country is cutting back on employees and spending. *Except for the US
Federal Government. *They have added 36,000 more employees and increased
wages for most of the government employees. *Raise taxes all you want, but
without meaningful spending cuts, we are doomed. *We need at least a $1.5
trillion dollar cut in spending, not a pathetic $36 Billion cut. *Less than
a percent. *We also need to scrap the requirement to pay prevailing wages as
now defined. *The definition seems to be whatever the highest union
negotiated wage is, not what is prevailing as paid in the industry. *We need
to allow companies to fire union workers who are incompetent a lot easier.
Sure the union can protect workers from unjust termination, but a person
drunk on the job, should be fired. *Not have a court rule you have to keep
them on the payroll. *Happened to the SF Muni transit district. *Drunk bus
driver. *They were required to pay him back wages and reinstate him in the
job. *A drunk bus driver!
Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to
stop the deficit. *May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending
cuts would do. *Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. *Tax hedge fund managers at
wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot of
the water subsidy. *Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell it to
towns at $1000. *Spending cuts are what are needed. *There are not enough
tax revenues available to rescue us.

Well said. But, the one to whom you replied doesn't have enough sense to understand it.

We should certainly listen to what an established liar has to say....

You have since before you elected him President.

On 11/07/2011 6:34 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:51:48 -0400, John
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:56:05 -0700, wrote:


Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to
stop the deficit. May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending
cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at
wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot of
the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell it to
towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not enough
tax revenues available to rescue us.

Well said. But, the one to whom you replied doesn't have enough sense to understand it.

if you believe a single word that bull****ter said you're a flat lined
moron

Like he said, you are too stupid to understand it.
--
Now the real war is on Obama-debt, to save America's future.
And do it for your kids sake....and ignore the selfish fleabags...

On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:58:42 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 11/07/2011 6:34 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:51:48 -0400, John
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:56:05 -0700, wrote:


Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to
stop the deficit. May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending
cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at
wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot of
the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell it to
towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not enough
tax revenues available to rescue us.

Well said. But, the one to whom you replied doesn't have enough sense to understand it.

if you believe a single word that bull****ter said you're a flat lined
moron

Like he said, you are too stupid to understand it.


says the guy who thinks wall street was great for america

On 12/07/2011 5:22 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:58:42 -0600,
wrote:

On 11/07/2011 6:34 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:51:48 -0400, John
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:56:05 -0700, wrote:


Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to
stop the deficit. May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending
cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at
wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot of
the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell it to
towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not enough
tax revenues available to rescue us.

Well said. But, the one to whom you replied doesn't have enough sense to understand it.

if you believe a single word that bull****ter said you're a flat lined
moron

Like he said, you are too stupid to understand it.


says the guy who thinks wall street was great for america

You just don't get it. Wall Street is like a open market store. Where
buyers and sellers meet. Not more, no less.

You are just a plain dumb****. No wonder your broke.
--
Now the real war is on Obama-debt, to save America's future.
And do it for your kids sake....and ignore the selfish fleabags...

On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:24:21 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 12/07/2011 5:22 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:58:42 -0600,
wrote:

On 11/07/2011 6:34 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:51:48 -0400, John
wrote:
Well said. But, the one to whom you replied doesn't have enough sense to understand it.

if you believe a single word that bull****ter said you're a flat lined
moron

Like he said, you are too stupid to understand it.


says the guy who thinks wall street was great for america

You just don't get it. Wall Street is like a open market store. Where
buyers and sellers meet. Not more, no less.

you just dont get it do you. wall street is where they invent opaque
unquantifiable debt, trade it, then, when it goes belly up, we pay

you're a ****ing moron

You are just a plain dumb****. No wonder your broke.

yeah. tell me again how wall street just made a 10 trillion dollar
mistake and that's great for the economy

asshole

On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:24:21 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 12/07/2011 5:22 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:58:42 -0600,
wrote:

On 11/07/2011 6:34 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:51:48 -0400, John
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:56:05 -0700, wrote:


Sure there should be changes to the tax code, but those are not going to
stop the deficit. May reduce in a minimal amount, but not what spending
cuts would do. Kill the alcohol farm subsidy. Tax hedge fund managers at
wage level not capitol gains level. Kill the cotton subsidy, kill a lot of
the water subsidy. Where a farmer can pay $10 an acre foot and resell it to
towns at $1000. Spending cuts are what are needed. There are not enough
tax revenues available to rescue us.

Well said. But, the one to whom you replied doesn't have enough sense to understand it.

if you believe a single word that bull****ter said you're a flat lined
moron

Like he said, you are too stupid to understand it.


says the guy who thinks wall street was great for america

You just don't get it. Wall Street is like a open market store. Where
buyers and sellers meet. Not more, no less.

You are just a plain dumb****. No wonder your broke.

You're calling him dumb? You actually believe what you wrote... not
more, no less????? Good grief.