On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 23:16:15 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 21:54:28 -0400, wf3h wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 12:36:49 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 17:37:30 -0400, wf3h wrote:

On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 01:09:25 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 20:18:04 -0400, wf3h wrote:

Obama has been in office over 2 years and he had a filibuster proof
senate along with the house for several months.

well no. the budget is the function of the house and it was not
filibuster proof

There is no filibuster in the house, the majority rules and there are
time limits on all debates.
The dems had the majority in the house.

well lets see...the GOP has had the house for 5 months

how they doing? they balance the budget?

Exactly the same as the democrats. There are really not that much
different.

but, then, you simply say it's the black guy's fault

In this case it was. If Obama wanted the Bush tax cuts to expire, all
he had to do was to veto the extension bill.

and let the middle class take it on the chin...as is usual when the
GOP is involved.

Make up your mind. Were the Bush and now Obama tax cuts a good thing
or a bad thing. You are arguing with yourself now.

There's no need to make up one's mind. Tax cuts are generally not a
good idea right now. However, the $10T Bush tax breaks (mostly to the
rich) were much, much worse.

There was not a veto proof support for the extension

These are now the Obama tax cuts.

uh no.

he proposed ONLY a tax cut for the middle class

The tax cuts on the 250k and over people are only 18% of the total
deal, virtually insignificant. Obama's 14% drop in the FICA tax costs
over twice what that would have given us back.

Yet Obama extended the whole tax cut plus the double down.

The total cost of the Obama tax cut is almost a half trillion a year.
($370B for the income tax cut and $120B for the payroll tax cut.)
We are borrowing every nickel of that.

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 12:12:30 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 08/06/2011 9:09 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 00:54:12 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/06/2011 6:18 PM, wf3h wrote:
while the ku klux clowns are blaming obama for bush's turning the
economy over to the chinese, let's look at the effects of 10 years of
bush tax cuts

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/06/...-bush-tax-cuts

Between 2001 and 2010, the Bush tax cuts added $2.6 trillion to the
public debt, 50 percent of the total debt accrued during that time.
Over the past 10 years, the country has spent more than $400 billion
just servicing the debt created by the cuts.

Tax collections have plunged to their lowest share of the economy in
60 years.

Between 2002 and 2007, employment increased by less than 1 percent
when the economy was supposed to be expanding. Employment growth
barely kept pace with population growth. Between the end of 2001, when
the country was in a recession, and the peak of the real estate
bubble, er, economic expansion in 2007, the US economy performed worse
than at any time since the end of World War II.

Median weekly earnings fell more than 2 percent between 2001 and 2007.
Meanwhile, people making over $3 million a year, who account for just
0.1 percent of taxpayers, got an average tax cut of $520,000, more
than 450 times what the average middle-income family received.

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and the right wing tells us how WONDERFUL this is...the rich are
getting richer...the middle class, worthless scum that they are, are
paying for it.

as god intended.

Where do you get this BS. Bush was not presiand dent in 2009 and
2010...unless of course he looked like Obama.

As for debt spend, Obama has already added much more debt than Bush did
in 8 years, problem is Obama isn't even through his first, and hopefully
last term.

Tax collections are low because producers are not making any money and
with 8 million lost jobs off of 2006 Congress starting, plus replacement
jobs are crap, well, you don't make it you don't get taxed on it.

Bet a lot of people would love to go back to the 2002 and 2006
employment type stats. You know, before democratic congress of 2006
botched it up.

There was no expansion in 2007, that is when the Congress was screwing
with interest rates and market liquidity dried up. Hey, why should I
lend money for nothing but a load of risk?

Funny, and the top 20% of earners pay 80% of the taxes. So do you mean
there is revenue in those 80% of the turnips?

I know were you got your stupid... suggestion: stop banging your head
on the wall so much.

Pay your taxes boy. Oh, forget, you are a broke loser. Just hind sucking.

I know you have trouble distinguishing gender... perhaps you can find
your man parts if you look really hard.

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 23:16:15 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 21:54:28 -0400, wf3h wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 12:36:49 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 17:37:30 -0400, wf3h wrote:

There is no filibuster in the house, the majority rules and there are
time limits on all debates.
The dems had the majority in the house.

well lets see...the GOP has had the house for 5 months

how they doing? they balance the budget?

Exactly the same as the democrats. There are really not that much
different.


so obama's not the problem

gee. and yet the right wing continues to assert he is.


and let the middle class take it on the chin...as is usual when the
GOP is involved.

Make up your mind. Were the Bush and now Obama tax cuts a good thing
or a bad thing. You are arguing with yourself now

HAHAHAH you kind of forgot

obama proposed a tax cut ONLY for those making less than 250K

oh. the right wing hides that


There was not a veto proof support for the extension

These are now the Obama tax cuts.

uh no.

he proposed ONLY a tax cut for the middle class

The tax cuts on the 250k and over people are only 18% of the total
deal, virtually insignificant. Obama's 14% drop in the FICA tax costs
over twice what that would have given us back.

ummm...if they're insignifican

why does ALL GOP policy focus on cutting their taxes?

if the amount is so small, why does the GOP refuse to cut taxes unless
they're rincluded??

On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 02:13:37 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 23:53:16 -0400, wf3h wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 23:16:15 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 21:54:28 -0400, wf3h wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 12:36:49 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 17:37:30 -0400, wf3h wrote:

There is no filibuster in the house, the majority rules and there are
time limits on all debates.
The dems had the majority in the house.

well lets see...the GOP has had the house for 5 months

how they doing? they balance the budget?

Exactly the same as the democrats. There are really not that much
different.


so obama's not the problem

gee. and yet the right wing continues to assert he is.

He is not part of the solution either,

And your solution is to do what? Eviscerate the middle class and the
poor, and leave the rich alone.


and let the middle class take it on the chin...as is usual when the
GOP is involved.

Make up your mind. Were the Bush and now Obama tax cuts a good thing
or a bad thing. You are arguing with yourself now

HAHAHAH you kind of forgot

obama proposed a tax cut ONLY for those making less than 250K


The $250k and above tax may be nice symbolism but it is insignificant.

It's not insignificant. It's a great start.



There was not a veto proof support for the extension

These are now the Obama tax cuts.

uh no.

he proposed ONLY a tax cut for the middle class

The tax cuts on the 250k and over people are only 18% of the total
deal, virtually insignificant. Obama's 14% drop in the FICA tax costs
over twice what that would have given us back.

ummm...if they're insignifican

why does ALL GOP policy focus on cutting their taxes?

if the amount is so small, why does the GOP refuse to cut taxes unless
they're rincluded??

They are idiots too.


We really needed Obama to veto the whole renewal bill

And the result would have been even more pain for people least able to
handle it.

On 6/10/2011 2:03 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 23:00:03 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 20:11:18 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 20:56:16 -0400, wrote:

really? let's see...since 1980, the GOP controlled the presidency for
22 years.

Actually if you consider the GOP to be "Wall Street", they have
controlled the White House ever since 1981. Who wasn't a Wall street
guy since then? Reagan was probably the least affected by the Wall
street people of the whole bunch.
Bush Clinton Bush& Obama all had the revolving door financial team
from Wall Street to the government and back to Wall Street, rinse
repeat.

agreed. the right has engineered the US political process so it's the
best money can buy

As long as you believe the democratic leadership is also "right wing"
we agree.
There are still a half dozen wall street insiders advising Obama

Crooks and tax evaders too. He really knows how to pick em.

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On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 22:11:34 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

no one cares what she says. what matters is actiong

and the GOP is destroying america

i have the facts

-tax cut in 2001
-tax cut in 2003
-CSE's that bankrupted the economy

those are actions

they were done by the right wing.

so i have facts

you have fairy tales

I have Pelosi tieing up the congress for two years with gutless
investigations against Scooter Libby while doing everything she could to
raise the price of oil and destroy the economy..

let's see...a record number of filibusters used by the GOP

the even rejected, for head of the chicago federal reserve

a nobel prize winning economist

that's what the right is doing to the US

Trying to slow down Obama and Reid, good for them...

--
Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life!

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 22:20:37 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 12:46:02 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

These are now the Obama tax cuts.

Besides, the amounts were talking about, would be like using tooth picks
to save the titanic after its side was riped open. The cuts are not
that much in the $1.6 trillion, $2 trillion US Fed level corruption spend.

The real problem is that DC is living well beyond its means, sort of
like having an income of $10K/mo but spending $25K/mo. Will not last
long before real trouble starts, and in fact it already has. USD has
lost 30% value in just 4 years against the Yuan.

the real problem is that the right believes supply side mythology so
insists you can cut taxes and balance the budget

The problem is liars like yourself who blame Bush for laws the
democratic house and senate wrote and passed,

hmmm...tax cuts for the rich in 2001 and 2003

the GOP controlled the congress and the presidency

t
while now that Obama is in
office, it's the House of Reps, with it's minor majority and no Senate
or Oval office behind them that's responsible.. You are a dip****, your
hypocrisy is only surpassed by the likes of John and Harry Krause...

you know zip about contemporary affairs

And you could care less about truth, just talking points...

--
Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life!

On 09/06/2011 6:16 PM, wf3h wrote:

-tax cut in 2001
-tax cut in 2003
-Currency fraud, 2006 democratic congress.
-Interest rate inversion, congress ignores, 2007.
-BO (Bailout Obama coming, market crashes 2008.

There fixed it for ya fleabagger.

Not much has changed in 3 years either other than bankrupcies and
foreclosures of Americans are at an all time high.

Keep up voting for fleabaggers and ruin the American dream for a
generation or two. Best estimates I have is even f turned around now,
it might last 10 years. Borderline hopeless, that the US is bankrupt
just that the gavel hasn't struck yet.

Yep, hopelessness and chumps. It is an Obamanation and legacy.

-CSE's that bankrupted the economy

those are actions

they were done by the right wing.

so i have facts

you have fairy tales


--
Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

On 09/06/2011 6:19 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 12:10:46 -0600,
wrote:

On 08/06/2011 4:29 PM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...


Rumor has it Obama is itching for a national sales tax. In about the 8%
range. Nothing like leftie-statism greed.

you guys got lots of rumors. hell i wouldnt be surprised if you
thought the rumor was he was a martian

Hey, all ths Obama debt spend has to be paid for somehow.

Unless of course he is going to declare the USA bankrupt and eat the
heat that the USA is a failed world currency do to US-Euro banking
corruption. Euro is probably walking dead, we will see, Greece looks
like it is going to welsh big. Iceland is watching people trying to
emigrate after their welshing.
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Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 18:30:30 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 09/06/2011 6:19 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 12:10:46 -0600,
wrote:

On 08/06/2011 4:29 PM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...


Rumor has it Obama is itching for a national sales tax. In about the 8%
range. Nothing like leftie-statism greed.

you guys got lots of rumors. hell i wouldnt be surprised if you
thought the rumor was he was a martian

Hey, all ths Obama debt spend has to be paid for somehow.

Unless of course he is going to declare the USA bankrupt and eat the
heat that the USA is a failed world currency do to US-Euro banking
corruption. Euro is probably walking dead, we will see, Greece looks
like it is going to welsh big. Iceland is watching people trying to
emigrate after their welshing.

The right wing nut part of the GOP are trying to do that you moron.
That's what not raising the debt ceiling would do.

You're the walking brain dead little man.