On 09/06/2011 7:31 AM, HarryK wrote:
On 6/9/11 8:44 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 18:27:51 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 01:09:25 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 20:18:04 -0400, wrote:


well no. the budget is the function of the house and it was not
filibuster proof

but, then, you simply say it's the black guy's fault

and i notice you said zip about the 30 year history of the rape of the
US by your friends

You keep spewing this crap, hoping somebody will be dumb enough to
believe it.

gee. alli have is evidence. you? you have your reader's digest stories
and myths

The fact is, for the last 40 years the democrats have either
been in control of two or all three (house, senate, whitehouse) more
than the republicans with times of all three when the republicans have
not had that advantage at all. You really need to read up on some
simple
history before you blame the consistently minority party...

really? let's see...since 1980, the GOP controlled the presidency for
22 years.

how's tthat working out for us? we doing OK? the fact is, the GOP
hates america. and i suggest you read up on how often the GOP votes
the party line vs the dems who split their loyalty.

you're right wing which means you believe in fairy tales

You are the one spewing lobsta boats...


Asshole, I sold the Lobster Boat, I now own a 42' Sport-fisherman. So
when you are out on your clapped out row boat, think of me in my a/c yacht.

A miniature version of S.S. Minnow? I didn't know they were available.

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Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

On 09/06/2011 10:36 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 17:37:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 01:09:25 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 20:18:04 -0400, wrote:

Between 2001 and 2010, the Bush tax cuts added $2.6 trillion to the
public debt, 50 percent of the total debt accrued during that time.
Over the past 10 years, the country has spent more than $400 billion
just servicing the debt created by the cuts.

Obama has been in office over 2 years and he had a filibuster proof
senate along with the house for several months.

well no. the budget is the function of the house and it was not
filibuster proof

There is no filibuster in the house, the majority rules and there are
time limits on all debates.
The dems had the majority in the house.

but, then, you simply say it's the black guy's fault

In this case it was. If Obama wanted the Bush tax cuts to expire, all
he had to do was to veto the extension bill.

There was not a veto proof support for the extension

These are now the Obama tax cuts.

Besides, the amounts were talking about, would be like using tooth picks
to save the titanic after its side was riped open. The cuts are not
that much in the $1.6 trillion, $2 trillion US Fed level corruption spend.

The real problem is that DC is living well beyond its means, sort of
like having an income of $10K/mo but spending $25K/mo. Will not last
long before real trouble starts, and in fact it already has. USD has
lost 30% value in just 4 years against the Yuan.
--
Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

On 08/06/2011 3:38 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 23:32:11 -0700, wrote:

On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 01:09:25 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 20:18:04 -0400, wrote:

Between 2001 and 2010, the Bush tax cuts added $2.6 trillion to the
public debt, 50 percent of the total debt accrued during that time.
Over the past 10 years, the country has spent more than $400 billion
just servicing the debt created by the cuts.

Obama has been in office over 2 years and he had a filibuster proof
senate along with the house for several months. Why didn't the
democrats repeal those cuts? In fact the democrats extended them when
they expired. All Obama had to do was veto that bill.

These are now the Obama tax cuts, along with a 14% cut in the FICA
tax. He had doubled down on the Bush tax policy.


It's a bit more nuanced than that, but basically you're right. The
nuance includes both lack of Dem backbone and Republican
obstructionism (the "filibuster" proof senate isn't much of an
argument, since there are wide range of Dems).

now THAT is strue. as folks point out, the dems are far less united in
their hatred of the middle class than the GOP is. the 1st order of
business of the GOP is to destroy the middle class

But the democrats beat the GOP to it, at $14.5 trillion, me thinks
unless something very radical changes, count US DC bankrupt and in
spiral debt.

US will not do a Portugal or Greece, they will go more like Zimbabwe,
hyperinflation devaluing wages and incomes. US Fed is bankrupt, its
biggest credit can't pay the bills the only solution since 2008 is to
create new inflationary debt dollars hand over fist, faster than toilet
paper actually.

Huge fraud on the people by its own government. Yep, DC is slowly
screwing all Americans. That is why 74% of the Whitehouse staff got a
9% or better raise last year.

Trouble really boils down to flea baggers like yourself supporting the
very people that screw you. Too damned stupid to see the obvious.
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Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

On 09/06/2011 6:44 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 18:29:02 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 23:32:11 -0700, wrote:

On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 01:09:25 -0
It's a bit more nuanced than that, but basically you're right. The
nuance includes both lack of Dem backbone and Republican
obstructionism (the "filibuster" proof senate isn't much of an
argument, since there are wide range of Dems).

now THAT is strue. as folks point out, the dems are far less united in
their hatred of the middle class than the GOP is. the 1st order of
business of the GOP is to destroy the middle class

You can say it all you want, but Pelosi, Reid, Obama, his cabinet, and
the rest have said they would raise gas prices to "price us away from
petrol fuels" and they have done exactly as they said they would..

you can say it all you want, but pawlenty, palin, santorum, etc. think
the rich need a LARGER tax cut

after they just got a trillion dollar bailout

Your speculation does not stack up to my facts... Pelosi said "we are a
do nothing congress", Obama said "we need to raise the price of fossil
fuels to price folks out of the market"... What you "think" republicans
want is just your own style of bull****.

Good part is Obama's way is going to screw the fleabaggers more. Heck,
even a poor person surviving on only SS gets the gas price hike in gas,
food, even rent as the owner will want more as will the city
tax/utilities. Less of their incomes are discretionary to compensate
for the price hikes. Nice kick of inflation onto the fixed incomes and
low incomes.

But that is what this is about. Does big fat statism sized behemoth
government take the hit? Or pass the hit to the people in
hyper-inflation and a lower standard of living?

The more the government gets, the less the people get.

Flea baggers are just too dumbsh1t stupid to see it.
--
Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 08:44:58 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 8 Jun 201

you can say it all you want, but pawlenty, palin, santorum, etc. think
the rich need a LARGER tax cut

after they just got a trillion dollar bailout

Your speculation does not stack up to my facts... Pelosi said "we are a
do nothing congress", Obama said "we need to raise the price of fossil
fuels to price folks out of the market"... What you "think" republicans
want is just your own style of bull****.

no one cares what she says. what matters is actiong

and the GOP is destroying america

i have the facts

-tax cut in 2001
-tax cut in 2003
-CSE's that bankrupted the economy

those are actions

they were done by the right wing.

so i have facts

you have fairy tales

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 12:10:46 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 08/06/2011 4:29 PM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...


Rumor has it Obama is itching for a national sales tax. In about the 8%
range. Nothing like leftie-statism greed.

you guys got lots of rumors. hell i wouldnt be surprised if you
thought the rumor was he was a martian

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 17:46:03 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 09/06/2011 6:44 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...


you can say it all you want, but pawlenty, palin, santorum, etc. think
the rich need a LARGER tax cut

after they just got a trillion dollar bailout

Your speculation does not stack up to my facts... Pelosi said "we are a
do nothing congress", Obama said "we need to raise the price of fossil
fuels to price folks out of the market"... What you "think" republicans
want is just your own style of bull****.

Good part is Obama's way is going to screw the fleabaggers more. Heck,
even a poor person surviving on only SS gets the gas price hike in gas,
food, even rent as the owner will want more as will the city
tax/utilities. Less of their incomes are discretionary to compensate
for the price hikes. Nice kick of inflation onto the fixed incomes and
low incomes.

let's see...gas approached 4 under bush

guess that was obama's fault, too.


But that is what this is about. Does big fat statism sized behemoth
government take the hit? Or pass the hit to the people in
hyper-inflation and a lower standard of living?

The more the government gets, the less the people get.

except the govt never stole 10 trillion in 1 year like wall street did

and the right loves it


Flea baggers are just too dumbsh1t stupid to see it.

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 17:36:51 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 08/06/2011 3:38 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 23:32:11 -0700, wrote:


It's a bit more nuanced than that, but basically you're right. The
nuance includes both lack of Dem backbone and Republican
obstructionism (the "filibuster" proof senate isn't much of an
argument, since there are wide range of Dems).

now THAT is strue. as folks point out, the dems are far less united in
their hatred of the middle class than the GOP is. the 1st order of
business of the GOP is to destroy the middle class

But the democrats beat the GOP to it, at $14.5 trillion, me thinks
unless something very radical changes, count US DC bankrupt and in
spiral debt.


and this is more right wing bull****

14.5 trillion where? how?

oh. you just heard it somewhere.

lemme know when you get some facts, OK?

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 12:36:49 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 17:37:30 -0400, wf3h wrote:

On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 01:09:25 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 20:18:04 -0400, wf3h wrote:

Obama has been in office over 2 years and he had a filibuster proof
senate along with the house for several months.

well no. the budget is the function of the house and it was not
filibuster proof

There is no filibuster in the house, the majority rules and there are
time limits on all debates.
The dems had the majority in the house.

well lets see...the GOP has had the house for 5 months

how they doing? they balance the budget?


but, then, you simply say it's the black guy's fault

In this case it was. If Obama wanted the Bush tax cuts to expire, all
he had to do was to veto the extension bill.

and let the middle class take it on the chin...as is usual when the
GOP is involved.


There was not a veto proof support for the extension

These are now the Obama tax cuts.

uh no.

he proposed ONLY a tax cut for the middle class

the GOP, intent on destroying the middle class, said no

they're the bush tax cuts

your spin is nonsense

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 12:46:02 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 09/06/2011 10:36 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 17:37:30 -0400, wrote:


but, then, you simply say it's the black guy's fault

In this case it was. If Obama wanted the Bush tax cuts to expire, all
he had to do was to veto the extension bill.

There was not a veto proof support for the extension

These are now the Obama tax cuts.

Besides, the amounts were talking about, would be like using tooth picks
to save the titanic after its side was riped open. The cuts are not
that much in the $1.6 trillion, $2 trillion US Fed level corruption spend.

The real problem is that DC is living well beyond its means, sort of
like having an income of $10K/mo but spending $25K/mo. Will not last
long before real trouble starts, and in fact it already has. USD has
lost 30% value in just 4 years against the Yuan.

the real problem is that the right believes supply side mythology so
insists you can cut taxes and balance the budget