Wildest Dreams wrote:

its not a law to have an anchor either but it is at least suggested I just
took the coast guard course last winter and aced the test 100% and I
remember it being mentioned in the class, it may have said recommended, but
if u want to risk pouring gas into your boat with or without a cabin is up
to you frankly my dear I thought the original reply poster said it was too
heavy and I agreed and still do, I also thought that gas has the same mass
as water and knowing water = 8.33lbs./gal. I thought it was the same I could
be wrong on that, that was a guess, I'm not that interested in the subject
that much anyway, just saying I wouldn't put my boat and my crew (family) in
that hazardous situation, I wish we had somebody hear from the CG, or the
Aux. GL hope this doesn't start a FIRE !
"F330 GT" wrote in message
...

We were talking about, and the thread is based upon, the notion of
portable
fuel tanks.

John,


I agree. And I said that if it's feasible it should be done.
Barry



From the US Coast Guard page on fire safety:

"(Fuel tanks secured so they cannot be moved in case of fire or other emergency
are considered permanently installed. There are no gallon capacity limits to
determine if a fuel tank is portable. If the weight of a fuel tank is such that
persons on board cannot move it, the Coast Guard considers it permanently
installed.) "

Apparently, by C.G. standards, my 18 gallon portable tank is actually
permanently installed. The original posters 12 gallon tank could also be
considered permenently installed if he can't lift it while full. Feel free to
fill it in your boat, if you'd like. Just use prudent care.

Kind of bizarre.

Barry

By the way, gasoline weights 6 lbs per gallon. This is why it floats on
water (which is 8 lbs per gallon). Both numbers are rounded slightly and
will vary depending on exact octane of fuel, altitude, temperateure, etc...

--
Tony
My boats and autos - http://t.thomas.home.mchsi.com



"Wildest Dream" wrote in message
...
its not a law to have an anchor either but it is at least suggested I just
took the coast guard course last winter and aced the test 100% and I
remember it being mentioned in the class, it may have said recommended,
but
if u want to risk pouring gas into your boat with or without a cabin is up
to you frankly my dear I thought the original reply poster said it was too
heavy and I agreed and still do, I also thought that gas has the same mass
as water and knowing water = 8.33lbs./gal. I thought it was the same I
could
be wrong on that, that was a guess, I'm not that interested in the subject
that much anyway, just saying I wouldn't put my boat and my crew (family)
in
that hazardous situation, I wish we had somebody hear from the CG, or the
Aux. GL hope this doesn't start a FIRE !
"F330 GT" wrote in message
...
We were talking about, and the thread is based upon, the notion of
portable
fuel tanks.

John,

I agree. And I said that if it's feasible it should be done. It was also
brought up that "red" tanks are considered portable and "grey'" tanks
are
for
"built in" use. Mine is a "red" tank that is built to be removed from
the
boat.
In fact I use it for both of my boats when going to the Bahamas. It's
still
considered a portable tank.

And further, a 12 gallon tank full weighs 100lbs plus the weight of the
tank.
Is that portable or not? If you want to remove it from your boat before
filling
it, fine. Show me where the law requires it, please.

If you can't fill a portable gas tank without spilling it all over your
boat,
maybe you shouldn't be boating.

Barry

(b) Each hose in the tank fill system must be secured to a pipe,
spud, or hose fitting by:
(1) A swaged sleeve;
(2) A sleeve and threaded insert; or
(3) Two adjacent metallic hose clamps that do not depend solely on
the spring tension of the clamps for compressive force.
(c) Each hose clamp in the tank fill system must be used with a hose
designed for clamps.
(d) Hose clamps used in the tank fill system must:
(1) Have a minimum nominal band width of at least one-half inch; and
(2) Be over the hose and the spud, pipe, or hose fitting.


I find it interesting that, as soon as that fuel line gets under the outboard
cover, it can be an unlabelled hose, held on with a single tywrap ... brand new
from the factory.

"Wildest Dream" wrote

..... just saying I wouldn't put my boat and my crew (family) in
that hazardous situation, I wish we had somebody hear from the CG, or the
Aux.

I'm in the Auxiliary, WD. This business of fuel tanks gets thrashed about
regularly because some of the base definitions remain subjective. I can't
find anywhere where "portable" is defined for fuel tanks, and this is
understandable. Even a six-gallon tank is barely portable for some people.
Closest I've seen is commentary in Chapman's where they recommend the
removal of portable tanks for refueling off the vessel, but suggest that as
a practical matter, any tank 12 gallons or larger ought to be refueled in
place, regardless of its technical "portability." Hefting a 75 lb weight
around on a moving platform carries some risk, regardless of your physical
strength. (Weight of gasoline is about 6.1 lb/gal.)

This leaves a wide gray area, of course, because the CFR183 only stipulates
fuel fill system standards for permanently installed tanks. There are
standards for fuel lines and connectors for outboard systems, but no tank
fill system standards.

Personally, I'd rather have a few six-gallon tanks in a boat with an
outboard engine. Not only can the refueling be handled more easily, but you
can also move the tanks not in use forward to better trim the boat, rather
than having all the fuel weight in the stern.

JG

Personally, I'd rather have a few six-gallon tanks in a boat with an
outboard engine. Not only can the refueling be handled more easily, but you
can also move the tanks not in use forward to better trim the boat, rather
than having all the fuel weight in the stern.


Yup, why isolate the fire hazard in one spot, spread it around and let everyone
play the game. ;-)

"Gfretwell" wrote in message

Yup, why isolate the fire hazard in one spot, spread it around and let
everyone
play the game. ;-)

Gasoline only becomes worrisomely hazardous when someone is careless. And
talking of "isolating the fire hazard" on an 18 ft boat strikes me as
somewhat delusional. :-)

JG

Thanks JG, good idea for trim, Fret another good reason for inboard. don't
smoke with a portible tank, I know some people won't care about that one be
glad ur not addicted.


"Gfretwell" wrote in message
...
Personally, I'd rather have a few six-gallon tanks in a boat with an
outboard engine. Not only can the refueling be handled more easily, but
you
can also move the tanks not in use forward to better trim the boat,
rather
than having all the fuel weight in the stern.


Yup, why isolate the fire hazard in one spot, spread it around and let
everyone
play the game. ;-)

"John Gaquin" wrote in message ...
Portable tanks should always be removed from the boat to the dock for
refueling. This is standard recommended procedure to avoid fume settling
and/or accidental spillage within the craft. Perhaps a refresher boating
safety course is in order?

JG


Hmm, interesting. So, if you were to take the same tank, and put hold
down clips on it, then it would somehow magically not allow fumes to
settle, and would, again, somehow make the fuel unspillable? I've got
two 9 1/2 gallon tanks from Bass Pro Shops. Mine has a handle, they
sell the same one without the handle, and with hold down clips. The
ONLY difference.

While the experts recommend you fill any portable gas tank off of the boat,
so that the fumes will not settle in the bilge, in your case I think most
experts would recommend you keep yours in the boat while you fill them.
Don't worry about spilling a little over it won't make any difference. It
will evaporate quick enough.

You may want to start smoking so you can puff a cig while filling your
tanks.


"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...
Portable tanks should always be removed from the boat to the dock for
refueling. This is standard recommended procedure to avoid fume
settling
and/or accidental spillage within the craft. Perhaps a refresher
boating
safety course is in order?

JG


Hmm, interesting. So, if you were to take the same tank, and put hold
down clips on it, then it would somehow magically not allow fumes to
settle, and would, again, somehow make the fuel unspillable? I've got
two 9 1/2 gallon tanks from Bass Pro Shops. Mine has a handle, they
sell the same one without the handle, and with hold down clips. The
ONLY difference.

"basskisser" wrote in message

Hmm, interesting. So, if you were to take the same tank, and put hold
down clips on it, then it would somehow magically not allow fumes to
settle, and would, again, somehow make the fuel unspillable?


Research has shown that sarcasm will neither prevent fuel spills, hasten
evaporation, nor alter reality. The recommended procedure for portable
tanks is to remove them for refueling. Chapman's advises that any tank over
6 gallons ought not be considered portable. If you permanently affix your
tanks to the boat, then they are considered permanently installed. If your
tanks are permanently installed, CFR183 stipulates standards of size and
assembly for your fuel filler system, including the fill port that is
located in such a location that an accidental spill cannot find its way back
into the boat.

So you see -- magic has nothing to do with it!


Regards,

John Gaquin
Brefnie Queen
1974 Luhrs 32
USCGAux