On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 16:11:27 -0400, Jim wrote:

Your buddy Harry said no details
would be posted here. I'd bet on it.

And frankly, not too many people care.

In article ,
says...
Radar is important when you are a whole mile offshore, WAFA.


Harry doesn't boat at night or in the fog. He wouldn't know how to read
a radar to save his life.

On 10/10/10 6:54 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...
Radar is important when you are a whole mile offshore, WAFA.


Harry doesn't boat at night or in the fog. He wouldn't know how to read
a radar to save his life.



You are so, so wrong, Bertiepoop.

BTW, how many years has it been since you owned a boat?
Or should the question be, have you ever owned a boat?



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I'm not a warlock…I'm…you!

"Jim" wrote in message ...
On 10/10/2010 4:00 PM, Harry® wrote:
wrote in message ...


"Secular wrote in message
...
On 10/9/10 11:09 AM, Jack wrote:
On Oct 9, 11:05 am, Secular wrote:
On 10/9/10 10:59 AM, Jack wrote:





On Oct 9, 10:15 am, wrote:
In article556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d-
,
says...

On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, wrote:
Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in
the
mail, and a provider lookup.
Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010.

Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to
squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check.
Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout.

Jim - hehe.

Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller
companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel
that
in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of-
pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark.

Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans.

Jack - not laughing

I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers.

I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a
company
of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance
has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200
per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely
different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per
year.
Obviously we go with my insurance.

Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the
insurance companies. I work for a company of 75 employees. When we
went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a
large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer
even offering policies to companies under 100 employees.

Your health insurance premiums have what, precisely, to do with
rec.boats?

You're boatless, so why are you here?


Sorry, Jackoff...I'm not boatless. Our new boat is sitting on a cradle at
the dealership, and is bought and paid for. We agreed to hold off on final
delivery until after the Annapolis boat show. We're already had a "wet
delivery," and are simply awaiting installation of some electronics gear,
such as radar and chartplotter, and some minor incidentals.

Now, back to Bertie...he's boatless and has been for a long, long
time...why is he here?

--
Republicans are the Party of No:
No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals

As predicted by some here, the details are starting to leak out.


If this boat is real, expect pictures within a week. It might just turn out to be another Lobsta Boat, though.


Announcing when a boat is to be "delivered" is not the same as "leaking
out" details, is it? If he takes delivery on October 21st, you still
won't know anything about the boat. Your buddy Harry said no details
would be posted here. I'd bet on it.


Depends on how you define details.
He's already mentioned some outfitting details. Watch for much more to come.

--
I'm the real Harry, and I post from a PC or a MAC, as virtually everyone knows.
If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a PC or a MAC, it's from an ID
spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his current ID.

The magnificent Boatless Harry

"Jack" wrote in message
...
On Oct 9, 10:15 am, BAR wrote:
In article 556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d-
,
says...







On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, Jim wrote:
Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the
mail, and a provider lookup.
Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010.

Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to
squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check.
Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout.

Jim - hehe.

Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller
companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel that
in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of-
pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark.

Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans.

Jack - not laughing

I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers.

I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company
of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance
has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200
per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely
different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year.
Obviously we go with my insurance.

Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the
insurance companies. I work for a company of 75 employees. When we
went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a
large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer
even offering policies to companies under 100 employees.

So, if we had single-payer, you would be covered.

In the current bill, the following are the most immediate benefits. Please
identify which ones you don't like.

No denial for pre-existing conditions for kids.
Small business tax credits (actual small business - fewer than 50 people).
Close the senior's donut hole.
Young people can stay on parent's policy until 26.
No life-time caps on insurance.
Adults with pre-existing conditions are covered.
Insurance plans must cover preventative care without co-pays.
No recissions (insurance companies can't cut you if you get sick).
Insurance companies must reveal the percentage they spend on overhead.
New plans must have an appeals process for claim denials.
New tax on indoor tanning service (note to John Boehner).
New procedures for identifying fraud and waste.
Medicare will be expanded to rural hospitals with small numbers of patients.
Non-profit Blue Cross orgs will be required to maintain an 85% medical loss
ratio to take advantage of IRS tax benefits.
Chain restaurants are required to reveal caloric content of their fast-food
meals (esp.)
Better coverage for early retirees to help reduce costs for those between 55
and 64.
Better consumer info on the web (e.g., figuring out insurance options).
Up to $1B investment in new therapy research.

Harry® wrote:
wrote in message ...

On 10/10/2010 4:00 PM, Harry® wrote:

wrote in message ...


"Secular wrote in message
...

On 10/9/10 11:09 AM, Jack wrote:

On Oct 9, 11:05 am, Secular wrote:

On 10/9/10 10:59 AM, Jack wrote:






On Oct 9, 10:15 am, wrote:

In article556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d-
,
says...


On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, wrote:

Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in
the
mail, and a provider lookup.
Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010.


Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to
squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check.
Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout.


Jim - hehe.


Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller
companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel
that
in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of-
pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark.


Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans.


Jack - not laughing


I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers.


I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a
company
of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance
has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200
per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely
different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per
year.
Obviously we go with my insurance.


Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the
insurance companies. I work for a company of 75 employees. When we
went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a
large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer
even offering policies to companies under 100 employees.

Your health insurance premiums have what, precisely, to do with
rec.boats?

You're boatless, so why are you here?


Sorry, Jackoff...I'm not boatless. Our new boat is sitting on a cradle at
the dealership, and is bought and paid for. We agreed to hold off on final
delivery until after the Annapolis boat show. We're already had a "wet
delivery," and are simply awaiting installation of some electronics gear,
such as radar and chartplotter, and some minor incidentals.

Now, back to Bertie...he's boatless and has been for a long, long
time...why is he here?

--
Republicans are the Party of No:
No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals

As predicted by some here, the details are starting to leak out.


If this boat is real, expect pictures within a week. It might just turn out to be another Lobsta Boat, though.


Announcing when a boat is to be "delivered" is not the same as "leaking
out" details, is it? If he takes delivery on October 21st, you still
won't know anything about the boat. Your buddy Harry said no details
would be posted here. I'd bet on it.


Depends on how you define details.
He's already mentioned some outfitting details. Watch for much more to come.


Sure. Images lifted from google - again.

On Oct 11, 1:46*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Jack" wrote in message

...





On Oct 9, 10:15 am, BAR wrote:
In article 556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d-
,
says...

On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, Jim wrote:
Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the
mail, and a provider lookup.
Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010.

Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to
squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check.
Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout.

Jim - hehe.

Count yourself as very lucky. *Those of us that work at much smaller
companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. *Efforts to reel that
in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of-
pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark.

Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans.

Jack - not laughing

I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers.

I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company
of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance
has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200
per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely
different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year..
Obviously we go with my insurance.

Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the
insurance companies. *I work for a company of 75 employees. *When we
went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a
large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer
even offering policies to companies under 100 employees.

So, if we had single-payer, you would be covered.

But, we don't. The Dems went behind closed doors, and forced through
an Obamanation of a healthcare bill that screws everyone that
currently has health insurance. The Dems, idiots they are, addressed
the issue and screwed the pooch. They'll now get properly thrown out
and someone else will have to clean up that mess.

"Jack" wrote in message
...
On Oct 11, 1:46 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Jack" wrote in message

...





On Oct 9, 10:15 am, BAR wrote:
In article 556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d-
,
says...

On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, Jim wrote:
Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in
the
mail, and a provider lookup.
Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010.

Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national)
to
squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check.
Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout.

Jim - hehe.

Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller
companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel
that
in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of-
pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark.

Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans.

Jack - not laughing

I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers.

I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a
company
of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance
has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200
per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely
different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per
year.
Obviously we go with my insurance.

Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the
insurance companies. I work for a company of 75 employees. When we
went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a
large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer
even offering policies to companies under 100 employees.

So, if we had single-payer, you would be covered.

But, we don't. The Dems went behind closed doors, and forced through
an Obamanation of a healthcare bill that screws everyone that
currently has health insurance. The Dems, idiots they are, addressed
the issue and screwed the pooch. They'll now get properly thrown out
and someone else will have to clean up that mess.

Jack, Jack.... the Dems certainly didn't do all they could, but the
antagonists were certainly the Republicans, who have blocked and continue to
block every single bit of meaningful legislation related to health care and
jobs.

"Jack" wrote in message
...
On Oct 11, 1:46 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Jack" wrote in message

...





On Oct 9, 10:15 am, BAR wrote:
In article 556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d-
,
says...

On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, Jim wrote:
Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in
the
mail, and a provider lookup.
Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010.

Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national)
to
squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check.
Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout.

Jim - hehe.

Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller
companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel
that
in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of-
pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark.

Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans.

Jack - not laughing

I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers.

I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a
company
of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance
has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200
per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely
different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per
year.
Obviously we go with my insurance.

Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the
insurance companies. I work for a company of 75 employees. When we
went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a
large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer
even offering policies to companies under 100 employees.

So, if we had single-payer, you would be covered.

But, we don't. The Dems went behind closed doors, and forced through
an Obamanation of a healthcare bill that screws everyone that
currently has health insurance. The Dems, idiots they are, addressed
the issue and screwed the pooch. They'll now get properly thrown out
and someone else will have to clean up that mess.

I notice you didn't answer my question... here it is again:

In the current bill, the following are the most immediate benefits. Please
identify which ones you don't like.

No denial for pre-existing conditions for kids.
Small business tax credits (actual small business - fewer than 50 people).
Close the senior's donut hole.
Young people can stay on parent's policy until 26.
No life-time caps on insurance.
Adults with pre-existing conditions are covered.
Insurance plans must cover preventative care without co-pays.
No recissions (insurance companies can't cut you if you get sick).
Insurance companies must reveal the percentage they spend on overhead.
New plans must have an appeals process for claim denials.
New tax on indoor tanning service (note to John Boehner).
New procedures for identifying fraud and waste.
Medicare will be expanded to rural hospitals with small numbers of patients.
Non-profit Blue Cross orgs will be required to maintain an 85% medical loss
ratio to take advantage of IRS tax benefits.
Chain restaurants are required to reveal caloric content of their fast-food
meals (esp.)
Better coverage for early retirees to help reduce costs for those between 55
and 64.
Better consumer info on the web (e.g., figuring out insurance options).
Up to $1B investment in new therapy research.

On Oct 11, 8:23*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Jack" wrote in message

...





On Oct 11, 1:46 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Jack" wrote in message

....

On Oct 9, 10:15 am, BAR wrote:
In article 556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d-
,
says...

On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, Jim wrote:
Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in
the
mail, and a provider lookup.
Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010.

Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national)
to
squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check.
Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout.

Jim - hehe.

Count yourself as very lucky. *Those of us that work at much smaller
companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. *Efforts to reel
that
in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of-
pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark.

Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans.

Jack - not laughing

I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers.

I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a
company
of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance
has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200
per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely
different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per
year.
Obviously we go with my insurance.

Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the
insurance companies. *I work for a company of 75 employees. *When we
went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a
large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer
even offering policies to companies under 100 employees.

So, if we had single-payer, you would be covered.

But, we don't. *The Dems went behind closed doors, and forced through
an Obamanation of a healthcare bill that screws everyone that
currently has health insurance. *The Dems, idiots they are, addressed
the issue and screwed the pooch. *They'll now get properly thrown out
and someone else will have to clean up that mess.

Jack, Jack.... the Dems certainly didn't do all they could, but the
antagonists were certainly the Republicans, who have blocked and continue to
block every single bit of meaningful legislation related to health care and
jobs.

The ones who were locked out of the process, who at the time didn't
have the votes to change or stop it? Those Republicans? Em, you are
too easy. This one rests squarely on the dims. Buh-bye.