On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 11:45:07 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 14:05:39 -0400, bpuharic wrote:


and nowhere does it prohibit the feds from funding education. local
boards have power. the feds have the money.

The amount of federal money given to local school boards is
insignificant compared to what is raised in local taxes.

really? only if you consider 21 billion dollars 'insignificant'

http://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/bu...1stbystate.pdf



and nowhere is this prohibited. nowhere is a dept of education
prohibited

so far you keep telling me it is.

go ahead. show me where

The 10th amendment says if it is not delegated in the Constitution it
reverts to the states.
It is not delegated in the constitution.

meaningless. nothing the feds are doing is prohibited. what is
specifically 'not delegated'?


In a practical sense, we have had a federal education department for
30 years and education has really not improved

that's because america has the worst form of education policy in the
western world.

we allow local boards to run education. that's a disaster. no other
country does this. most have national standards and education is run
on a national level

we in america have a myth that local govt is better


Yeah, everyone knows the citizens of this country are not to be
trusted. ... and you call me a nazi. You seem to want a federal
education fuhrer.

in a manner of speaking, yes. unlike you, i'm a scientist. i think
rationally. i go with EVIDENCE

you? you think like a child. you **** your diaper then want to blame
everyone else

the fact is local school board control does not work. it's a failure.



we also have a more diverse student body than virtually any other
country in the world.

So?


you're just too stupid to know what's going on

You have such of a lack in communication skills that you have to
resort to personal attacks..
You must be a product of the public school system.

yep. i'm honored to say that i went to public school like most of the
middle class.

you? you're the spoiled brat of a privileged childhood who thinks the
middle class...and the black president...should know our place

On Sun, 8 Aug 2010 13:36:43 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 7-Aug-2010, wrote:

all. there were no govt schools anywhere at the local or the federal
level

Didn't you just repeat what I said?

As for the original question, if it wasn't "delegated" to the federal
government in the constitution, the 10th amendment says it reverts to
the states.

Best to go somewhere else; we're trying to teach a pig to dance. It's
unfortunate these people are allowed to vote.

IOW you have no argument.

uh huh.

On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 12:44:15 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 12:19:38 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

meaningless. nothing the feds are doing is prohibited. what is
specifically 'not delegated'?

The Constitution is about Power, the Bill of right is about Rights.
If the federal government is not given a particular Power in the body
of the Constitution, the Right to administer that is granted to the
states by the 10th amendment.

and nowhere does it mention a SPECIFIC 'power' of education that is
prohibited.

sorry


in a manner of speaking, yes. unlike you, i'm a scientist. i think
rationally. i go with EVIDENCE


OK the EVIDENCE is in. The department of education is not effective.

the EVIDENCE is that local school board control is ineffective.



you? you think like a child. you **** your diaper then want to blame
everyone else

the fact is local school board control does not work. it's a failure.

You were educated by a local school board.

what can i say. six sigma you know...

yep. i'm honored to say that i went to public school like most of the
middle class.

you? you're the spoiled brat of a privileged childhood who thinks the
middle class...and the black president...should know our place


I grew up in Southeast DC (the 9th ward now). I doubt you even
understand what that is or you wouldn't be blathering about "spoiled
brat of a privileged childhood". In fact my mother worked and I was
taken care of by a black woman (along with several black kids). That
is something Obama can't say.

and yet you despise him because he's black....

you must have hated your caretakers, too.

mom taught you that the darkies should always be servants, eh?

wrote in message
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On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 12:19:38 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 11:45:07 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 14:05:39 -0400, bpuharic wrote:


and nowhere does it prohibit the feds from funding education. local
boards have power. the feds have the money.

The amount of federal money given to local school boards is
insignificant compared to what is raised in local taxes.

really? only if you consider 21 billion dollars 'insignificant'

http://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/bu...1stbystate.pdf



and nowhere is this prohibited. nowhere is a dept of education
prohibited

so far you keep telling me it is.

go ahead. show me where

The 10th amendment says if it is not delegated in the Constitution it
reverts to the states.
It is not delegated in the constitution.

meaningless. nothing the feds are doing is prohibited. what is
specifically 'not delegated'?

The Constitution is about Power, the Bill of right is about Rights.
If the federal government is not given a particular Power in the body
of the Constitution, the Right to administer that is granted to the
states by the 10th amendment.



In a practical sense, we have had a federal education department for
30 years and education has really not improved

that's because america has the worst form of education policy in the
western world.

we allow local boards to run education. that's a disaster. no other
country does this. most have national standards and education is run
on a national level

we in america have a myth that local govt is better


Yeah, everyone knows the citizens of this country are not to be
trusted. ... and you call me a nazi. You seem to want a federal
education fuhrer.

in a manner of speaking, yes. unlike you, i'm a scientist. i think
rationally. i go with EVIDENCE


OK the EVIDENCE is in. The department of education is not effective.


you? you think like a child. you **** your diaper then want to blame
everyone else

the fact is local school board control does not work. it's a failure.

You were educated by a local school board.


we also have a more diverse student body than virtually any other
country in the world.

So?


you're just too stupid to know what's going on

You have such of a lack in communication skills that you have to
resort to personal attacks..
You must be a product of the public school system.

yep. i'm honored to say that i went to public school like most of the
middle class.

you? you're the spoiled brat of a privileged childhood who thinks the
middle class...and the black president...should know our place


I grew up in Southeast DC (the 9th ward now). I doubt you even
understand what that is or you wouldn't be blathering about "spoiled
brat of a privileged childhood". In fact my mother worked and I was
taken care of by a black woman (along with several black kids). That
is something Obama can't say.

I wonder if Bob uses the same techniques, language and all, when he
"discusses" these issues face to face.

He professes to be a scientist and only deals in fact, yet on the other hand
resorts to labeling folks here with no basis in fact at all.

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 13:07:05 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 12:44:15 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 12:19:38 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

meaningless. nothing the feds are doing is prohibited. what is
specifically 'not delegated'?

The Constitution is about Power, the Bill of right is about Rights.
If the federal government is not given a particular Power in the body
of the Constitution, the Right to administer that is granted to the
states by the 10th amendment.

and nowhere does it mention a SPECIFIC 'power' of education that is
prohibited.

sorry


You have that backward, Nowhere does it GIVE the power to the feds.


in a manner of speaking, yes. unlike you, i'm a scientist. i think
rationally. i go with EVIDENCE


OK the EVIDENCE is in. The department of education is not effective.

the EVIDENCE is that local school board control is ineffective.

... and over 30 years of federal oversight has not fixed any of it.



you? you think like a child. you **** your diaper then want to blame
everyone else

the fact is local school board control does not work. it's a failure.

You were educated by a local school board.

what can i say. six sigma you know...

yep. i'm honored to say that i went to public school like most of the
middle class.

you? you're the spoiled brat of a privileged childhood who thinks the
middle class...and the black president...should know our place


I grew up in Southeast DC (the 9th ward now). I doubt you even
understand what that is or you wouldn't be blathering about "spoiled
brat of a privileged childhood". In fact my mother worked and I was
taken care of by a black woman (along with several black kids). That
is something Obama can't say.

and yet you despise him because he's black....

you must have hated your caretakers, too.

mom taught you that the darkies should always be servants, eh?

That is all you. Simply a figment of your imagination.
You are not a disgruntled beer truck driver are you?

Disgruntled my ass. He was a racist and when he got caught stealing
beer, clearly on tape and fired, he used the race card to excuse his
cowardly murder spree... So has the media.

I know liberals will believe he was harassed, simply because he said so
after killing 8 people (on the phone to the State Troopers). I mean,
look at what happened in Washington when those lying sack of ****
congressmen claimed racial slurs and spitting but with no less than 100
cameras going, not one person could find evidence of it even with a
reward of tens of thousands of dollars for the shot

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!

On 8/8/10 6:24 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 13:07:05 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 12:44:15 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 12:19:38 -0400, wrote:

meaningless. nothing the feds are doing is prohibited. what is
specifically 'not delegated'?

The Constitution is about Power, the Bill of right is about Rights.
If the federal government is not given a particular Power in the body
of the Constitution, the Right to administer that is granted to the
states by the 10th amendment.

and nowhere does it mention a SPECIFIC 'power' of education that is
prohibited.

sorry


You have that backward, Nowhere does it GIVE the power to the feds.


in a manner of speaking, yes. unlike you, i'm a scientist. i think
rationally. i go with EVIDENCE


OK the EVIDENCE is in. The department of education is not effective.

the EVIDENCE is that local school board control is ineffective.

... and over 30 years of federal oversight has not fixed any of it.



you? you think like a child. you **** your diaper then want to blame
everyone else

the fact is local school board control does not work. it's a failure.

You were educated by a local school board.

what can i say. six sigma you know...

yep. i'm honored to say that i went to public school like most of the
middle class.

you? you're the spoiled brat of a privileged childhood who thinks the
middle class...and the black president...should know our place


I grew up in Southeast DC (the 9th ward now). I doubt you even
understand what that is or you wouldn't be blathering about "spoiled
brat of a privileged childhood". In fact my mother worked and I was
taken care of by a black woman (along with several black kids). That
is something Obama can't say.

and yet you despise him because he's black....

you must have hated your caretakers, too.

mom taught you that the darkies should always be servants, eh?

That is all you. Simply a figment of your imagination.
You are not a disgruntled beer truck driver are you?

Disgruntled my ass. He was a racist and when he got caught stealing
beer, clearly on tape and fired, he used the race card to excuse his
cowardly murder spree... So has the media.

I know liberals will believe he was harassed, simply because he said so
after killing 8 people (on the phone to the State Troopers). I mean,
look at what happened in Washington when those lying sack of ****
congressmen claimed racial slurs and spitting but with no less than 100
cameras going, not one person could find evidence of it even with a
reward of tens of thousands of dollars for the shot



Actually, several of us thought you were the shooter.

"Harry " wrote in message
m...
On 8/8/10 6:24 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 13:07:05 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 12:44:15 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 12:19:38 -0400, wrote:

meaningless. nothing the feds are doing is prohibited. what is
specifically 'not delegated'?

The Constitution is about Power, the Bill of right is about Rights.
If the federal government is not given a particular Power in the body
of the Constitution, the Right to administer that is granted to the
states by the 10th amendment.

and nowhere does it mention a SPECIFIC 'power' of education that is
prohibited.

sorry


You have that backward, Nowhere does it GIVE the power to the feds.


in a manner of speaking, yes. unlike you, i'm a scientist. i think
rationally. i go with EVIDENCE


OK the EVIDENCE is in. The department of education is not effective.

the EVIDENCE is that local school board control is ineffective.

... and over 30 years of federal oversight has not fixed any of it.



you? you think like a child. you **** your diaper then want to blame
everyone else

the fact is local school board control does not work. it's a failure.

You were educated by a local school board.

what can i say. six sigma you know...

yep. i'm honored to say that i went to public school like most of the
middle class.

you? you're the spoiled brat of a privileged childhood who thinks the
middle class...and the black president...should know our place


I grew up in Southeast DC (the 9th ward now). I doubt you even
understand what that is or you wouldn't be blathering about "spoiled
brat of a privileged childhood". In fact my mother worked and I was
taken care of by a black woman (along with several black kids). That
is something Obama can't say.

and yet you despise him because he's black....

you must have hated your caretakers, too.

mom taught you that the darkies should always be servants, eh?

That is all you. Simply a figment of your imagination.
You are not a disgruntled beer truck driver are you?

Disgruntled my ass. He was a racist and when he got caught stealing
beer, clearly on tape and fired, he used the race card to excuse his
cowardly murder spree... So has the media.

I know liberals will believe he was harassed, simply because he said so
after killing 8 people (on the phone to the State Troopers). I mean,
look at what happened in Washington when those lying sack of ****
congressmen claimed racial slurs and spitting but with no less than 100
cameras going, not one person could find evidence of it even with a
reward of tens of thousands of dollars for the shot



Actually, several of us thought you were the shooter.

The Freak would probably shoot his own foot off if he played with firearms.

On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 17:07:13 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 13:07:05 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 12:44:15 -0400, wrote:


and nowhere does it mention a SPECIFIC 'power' of education that is
prohibited.

sorry


You have that backward, Nowhere does it GIVE the power to the feds.

prove that this power is prohibited to the feds


I grew up in Southeast DC (the 9th ward now). I doubt you even
understand what that is or you wouldn't be blathering about "spoiled
brat of a privileged childhood". In fact my mother worked and I was
taken care of by a black woman (along with several black kids). That
is something Obama can't say.

and yet you despise him because he's black....

you must have hated your caretakers, too.

mom taught you that the darkies should always be servants, eh?

That is all you. Simply a figment of your imagination.
You are not a disgruntled beer truck driver are you?

had 5 uncles and a grandfather who had good middle class jobs working
at iron city brewery.

but i'm sure you hate them because they were honest, hard working,
middle class union members

On Sun, 8 Aug 2010 14:09:18 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:





He professes to be a scientist and only deals in fact, yet on the other hand
resorts to labeling folks here with no basis in fact at all.



now let's see...virtually every single problem facing the US had its
origins in teh bush administration

yet the right refuses to say a single word about bush, instead blaming
EVERYTHING on the black president

now....why would they excuse a WHITE guy and blame a BLACK guy....

nah...couldnt be race...

"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 8 Aug 2010 14:09:18 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:





He professes to be a scientist and only deals in fact, yet on the other
hand
resorts to labeling folks here with no basis in fact at all.



now let's see...virtually every single problem facing the US had its
origins in teh bush administration

yet the right refuses to say a single word about bush, instead blaming
EVERYTHING on the black president

now....why would they excuse a WHITE guy and blame a BLACK guy....

nah...couldnt be race...

The only problem with your post is bringing in the color card. Where would
your argument go it the current president was Caucasian and a democrat AND
the economic were the same? Let me guess, you'll say nobody would be
complaining.