On 9-Aug-2010, "Harry @ news.east.earthlink.net"
wrote:

If you did just raise the 35% rate to 39% that would only raise
revenue about 6-7%, a drop in the bucket.
That assumes these people don't find ways to shelter more of their
income and with a 10,000 page tax code, that is likely.


39% is not enough.

49% on all income over $250,000, and that includes any income that can
be sheltered in any way.

There is absolutely nothing prohibiting you from sending in 49% of your
income. Hop to it.

Ohhhhhh.....wait..........so silly of me! That's for OTHER pople.

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
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On 9-Aug-2010, "Harry @ news.east.earthlink.net"

wrote:

If you did just raise the 35% rate to 39% that would only raise
revenue about 6-7%, a drop in the bucket.
That assumes these people don't find ways to shelter more of their
income and with a 10,000 page tax code, that is likely.


39% is not enough.

49% on all income over $250,000, and that includes any income that can
be sheltered in any way.

There is absolutely nothing prohibiting you from sending in 49% of your
income. Hop to it.

Ohhhhhh.....wait..........so silly of me! That's for OTHER pople.


You don't think I'd be dumb enough to send my money to Washington, do you.

--
The OBAMA motto: We've got what it takes, to take what you've got!

On 9-Aug-2010, "Harry" wrote:

There is absolutely nothing prohibiting you from sending in 49% of your
income. Hop to it.

Ohhhhhh.....wait..........so silly of me! That's for OTHER pople.


You don't think I'd be dumb enough to send my money to Washington, do you.

Yes, as a matter of fact, I do. But, you have the excuse that paying taxes
is "for "other people" while you apparently bask by the trough.

On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 10:54:48 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 06:00:00 -0400, bpuharic wrote:


You have that backward, Nowhere does it GIVE the power to the feds.

prove that this power is prohibited to the feds


I can't prove a negative.

precisely. which is why the constitution does not prohibit a US dept
of education

Obviously as long as the feds have the biggest guns and the most tax
payer funded lawyers, they will take any power they want. That does
not make it constitutional.

nor does it make it UNCONSTITUTIONAL.


Only if they ignore the 10th amendment, but that is pretty much what
they did in the 50s and 60s.

IOW you have no answer other than to say you're right.


Lets just agree to disagree about creeping federalism. It is clear you
would want federal firemen, cops and garbage men.

state govts generally oppress human rights. only the feds have the
power to break local elites and get SOME measure of power for the
middle class...until the right wing and the rich hijack that as well

If you had your way
we would abolish all state and local government and nationalize all
the corporations.

really? got proof of that? oh. none.

Only from what you write, like the comment right above this one.

really? how's life in your parallel universe?


and if the private sector is so great why do we have BP and the most
expensive healthcare in the world, and a stock market that just pulled
11 trillion dollars out of the net worth of the US?

Why weren't the government inspectors checking the BP rig?

why should they? deregulation, remember? the bad oil companies go
bankrupt...

oh...wait...the rich stacked the deck to limit liability so the
taxpayer gets stuck with the bill...

Our health care is so expensive because we use too much of it. People
get a hangnail and they end up with an MRI. You can't go to the doctor
without coming home with a couple bottles of pills. Most of the money
we spend is in keeping corpses alive for a few extra days. Did you
watch 60 minutes last Sunday?

aint free enterprise wonderful? almost sounds like you're arguing for
govt control of healthcare!


Why was the SEC asleep at the switch and why did Clinton force
Brooksley Born out when she warned us about the derivatives?

the SEC was asleep during the run up to this disaster under teh bush
administration...and you're absolutely correct; brooksley born got
screwed by a govt drunk on free market fundamentalism...

just like the tea baggers argue today...you know, the most right wing
of the right wing...


That is YOUR government ****ing up

and did the govt destroy 11 trillion in equity in the US in the last 3
years?

nope. that was WALL STREET.


The Post Office should have put them out of business.They still can't
compete with private companies in spite of a huge taxpayer subsidy.

ah. private companies. yes. the ones who, on the backs of the mddle
class, raised productivity by 28% in the last 10 years....

and gave none of this to the middle class in the form of h igher
wages...then wonders why the middle class has no money

Non responsive answer. Why does Fed Ex exist if the government is
always the best way of doing things?

never said they were the BEST. but the radical free market
fundamenatlism of the right wing DESTROYED this economy

On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 15:20:37 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 9-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote:

prove that this power is prohibited to the feds


I can't prove a negative.

precisely. which is why the constitution does not prohibit a US dept
of education

I finally think you're right on one count based upon your "logic" - too bad
the constitution doesn't prohibit stupidity.

if it did, the GOP would disappear

On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 10:59:29 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 06:00:56 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

I blame a lot of this financial cluster**** on Clinton and the first
Bush. Neither one of them are black.

well NOW you're starting to see the light. and the george bush that
just left office?

his tax cuts are responsible for most of our deficit. but the right
refuses, in a pravda like manner, to tell THAT story

I have said a number of times, just let all of the tax cuts expire.

If you did just raise the 35% rate to 39% that would only raise
revenue about 6-7%, a drop in the bucket.
That assumes these people don't find ways to shelter more of their
income and with a 10,000 page tax code, that is likely.

aw, let's pity the rich. you're absolutely right about one thing:

the middle class gets screwed by taxes and the rich avoid them

On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 11:48:49 -0400, "Harry"
wrote:



The OBAMA motto: We've got what it takes, to take what you've got!


more racist bull****.

most tax cuts go to the rich...tax cuts are regressive...but the right
keeps taht little secret to themselves

On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:07:15 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:



"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sun, 8 Aug 2010 23:39:23 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:



and would the right be blaming a white president like they blame
obama?

nope.

Pure speculation on your part.

i got the facts

you got nothing except your hood

On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:10:36 -0400, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...


Really, when you consider the fact that we did when we (white voters)
voted Obama in. We blamed Bush so much we voted for a Democrat...

and then promptly blamed the black president for the failings of the
white one

Colonel Kurtz wrote:
On 8-Aug-2010, wrote:

and nowhere does it prohibit the feds from funding education. local
boards have power. the feds have the money.
The amount of federal money given to local school boards is
insignificant compared to what is raised in local taxes.

Far more money is ****ed down the drain for "education" than the military
which has a far more important responsibility. If it is laundered through
the local assholes, the state, county/parish or the useless feds, it's the
same money, YOURS, or more likely, increasing minority of productive people.
Your kids still can't read, write or think. Do you seriously "think"
federal interference will make anyone more competent? It's not apparent the
way you assholes vote.

Only dope parents produce kids who end up dopes after a public school
education.
Education costs could be cut in half and we'd still have the same number
of dopes. No more, no less.
Hey. You the guy who bemoans folks buying non-American tools?
And then suggests a couple right-wing free-traders should run the
country and make it even more impossible to find American made tools?
I take it back about parents.
Won't blame your parents.
Some dopes just turn out dopes no matter what.
And I just bought a 5" Rigid orbital sander.
Good old American name there. Made in China.

Jim - Keep my dopes in a can or a tube or rec.boats.