wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:07:53 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


Arizona has no business determining immigration policy. It's a federal
issue.


The problem is the feds are not doping their job. As we have said
several times here, states are already enforcing immigration laws. It
is particularly true in Florida. I can't speak for others because I
don't live there. This US v AZ is just a political move to get votes
for the democrats in the mid term. The US is going to lose the case.

She (a self-proclaimed lawyer) doesn't realize that Arizona is enforcing
federal laws.

"Larry" wrote in message
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wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:07:53 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


Arizona has no business determining immigration policy. It's a federal
issue.


The problem is the feds are not doping their job. As we have said
several times here, states are already enforcing immigration laws. It
is particularly true in Florida. I can't speak for others because I
don't live there. This US v AZ is just a political move to get votes
for the democrats in the mid term. The US is going to lose the case.

She (a self-proclaimed lawyer) doesn't realize that Arizona is enforcing
federal laws.

Really moron? In that case, why did they pass additional legislation? You (a
self-described moron) needs to smarten up.

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:13:27 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


"Larry" wrote in message
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wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:07:53 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


Arizona has no business determining immigration policy. It's a federal
issue.


The problem is the feds are not doping their job. As we have said
several times here, states are already enforcing immigration laws. It
is particularly true in Florida. I can't speak for others because I
don't live there. This US v AZ is just a political move to get votes
for the democrats in the mid term. The US is going to lose the case.

She (a self-proclaimed lawyer) doesn't realize that Arizona is enforcing
federal laws.

Really moron? In that case, why did they pass additional legislation? You
(a
self-described moron) needs to smarten up.


I think they passed their law to differentiate Arizona from California
that has sanctuary laws in place.
I imagine the reason why Californians are so ****ed about this law is
they know it will be their state that is absorbing a lot of these
illegals and overloading your broke government's ability to serve
them.

I think they passed their law at the behest of people who prey upon people's
fears.

Many Californians are ****ed because we tend to be a more progressive state.
I don't think we have to worry about a few people coming from AZ. We're a
border state too.

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 01:45:12 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:09:45 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

Got pulled over once in Florida, does that count? My papers were in
order.

he doesnt know the difference between a license to operate a vehicle

and having your papers to prove you're an american


Since the feds passed "Real ID" that is going to be the same thing.
The cop can use the unique ID number on the back of your license
(buried on the mag stripe and in that dot code) and find out
everything the government knows about you.
That is why an Arizona driver's license is "papers",

go ahead and try to get a license in 1 state with a license from
another state. i did that with a texas license in PA 2 years ago.

good luck.

americans dont have to show **** to a cop beyond their license when
driving a car. and the right wing wants to change all that...

"VHERE ARE YOUR PAPERS HERR FREWELL"?



In most states you have to show proof of insurance papers also. Or you get
to walk to the nearest bus stop as the car is towed. With a ticket issued
to you. More than just showing your license to the cop. And the license
will show your citizenship.

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 22:01:26 -0700, "Califbill"
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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 01:45:12 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:09:45 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

Got pulled over once in Florida, does that count? My papers were in
order.

he doesnt know the difference between a license to operate a vehicle

and having your papers to prove you're an american


Since the feds passed "Real ID" that is going to be the same thing.
The cop can use the unique ID number on the back of your license
(buried on the mag stripe and in that dot code) and find out
everything the government knows about you.
That is why an Arizona driver's license is "papers",

go ahead and try to get a license in 1 state with a license from
another state. i did that with a texas license in PA 2 years ago.

good luck.

americans dont have to show **** to a cop beyond their license when
driving a car. and the right wing wants to change all that...

"VHERE ARE YOUR PAPERS HERR FREWELL"?



In most states you have to show proof of insurance papers also. Or you
get
to walk to the nearest bus stop as the car is towed. With a ticket issued
to you. More than just showing your license to the cop. And the license
will show your citizenship.

The SCOTUS also says the cop can make everyone get out, show ID, get
searched for weapons, search the car for weapons and run a dog through
it. Somehow, you immigration status seems pretty minimal at this
point.

So, why is there a need for a new AZ law? It doesn't do anything for border
security.

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:13:53 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The SCOTUS also says the cop can make everyone get out, show ID, get
searched for weapons, search the car for weapons and run a dog through
it. Somehow, you immigration status seems pretty minimal at this
point.

So, why is there a need for a new AZ law? It doesn't do anything for border
security.

Perhaps political posturing had something to do with it? The state of
Arizona really can't do much about the immigration issue, but they can
try to look like they are. They have certainly raised awareness if
nothing else, and it will probably embarass the feds into doing more.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:13:53 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The SCOTUS also says the cop can make everyone get out, show ID, get
searched for weapons, search the car for weapons and run a dog through
it. Somehow, you immigration status seems pretty minimal at this
point.

So, why is there a need for a new AZ law? It doesn't do anything for
border
security.

Perhaps political posturing had something to do with it? The state of
Arizona really can't do much about the immigration issue, but they can
try to look like they are. They have certainly raised awareness if
nothing else, and it will probably embarass the feds into doing more.


No argument there.

\\\\\\\ 20 Jul 2010 06:52:21 -0400, wrote:



The SCOTUS also says the cop can make everyone get out, show ID, get
searched for weapons, search the car for weapons and run a dog through
it. Somehow, you immigration status seems pretty minimal at this
point.

he can demand ID. the passengers dont have to show him ****.












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On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:06:59 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:13:53 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:



In most states you have to show proof of insurance papers also. Or you
get
to walk to the nearest bus stop as the car is towed. With a ticket issued
to you. More than just showing your license to the cop. And the license
will show your citizenship.

The SCOTUS also says the cop can make everyone get out, show ID, get
searched for weapons, search the car for weapons and run a dog through
it. Somehow, you immigration status seems pretty minimal at this
point.

So, why is there a need for a new AZ law? It doesn't do anything for border
security.

Why do you care? You don't live in Arizona.

i lived there. never saw a problem with the illegals.

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On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 11:56:52 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:13:53 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The SCOTUS also says the cop can make everyone get out, show ID, get
searched for weapons, search the car for weapons and run a dog through
it. Somehow, you immigration status seems pretty minimal at this
point.

So, why is there a need for a new AZ law? It doesn't do anything for
border
security.

Perhaps political posturing had something to do with it? The state of
Arizona really can't do much about the immigration issue, but they can
try to look like they are. They have certainly raised awareness if
nothing else, and it will probably embarass the feds into doing more.


No argument there.


It really sounds like it worked too. Illegals are leaving Arizona and
Obama is beefing up the border. That is all they wanted.

They're leaving because of the racist law that will hopefully soon be
stopped by the court. Obama isn't the only one who sent troops to the
border, and "beefing" up the border is not just about sending troops. Talk
to McCain, who at one point, took a rational approach.